Got my X1900XT

[Stoneburner]

Hey ST, since you dont like ATI and consider it garbage, you can send that x1900 my way. Um ill send you 50 bucks for that POS, I just want to modify it into a hedge trimmer. If you want I can also send you some nude shots of the NVIDIA fairy. You can thank me for my generosity by PM

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Hey ST, since you dont like ATI and consider it garbage, you can send that x1900 my way. Um ill send you 50 bucks for that POS, I just want to modify it into a hedge trimmer. If you want I can also send you some nude shots of the NVIDIA fairy. You can thank me for my generosity by PM

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: aldamon

Originally posted by: STas i said, i have both cards here now, if you don't want to help me look at both of these cards accurately, please troll somewhere else

Thanks for taking one for the team. I wish you had pushed your voltmodded 7900GT further before comparing the cards, but your numbers should be close enough.

what makes you think he can push his GT further?

he's already way over what most people can attain with theirs.

Link

These cards can go to 680~/1700~ at 1.5v with some better cooling. If you got more extreme cooling, they might as well hit 800mhz on core and 2000mhz on the vRam.

Most people stay at 580~/1550~ and thats at 1.2v just to be safe. Others are the ones who increase it to 1.5~1.7v and have there GTs at quite disturbing speeds.

At that point putting more money into a aftermarket cooler you might as well buy a x1900xt.

 

[BFG10K]

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

thank you! the title was obvious flamebait and I called it out. But of course I should have "interpreted" it differently

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

lol :! I knew the conclusion when i read his thread title and his Signature. This is thread was doomed and that dude was nothing but an douche on his quest for Nvidia or what ever his mind wanted to express at that time.

 

[tuteja1986]

err double post sorry :!

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
it's a fact increasing voltages cause breakdown between electrical 'traces' over time. this increases as voltages are raised beyond design limits. it's not a matter of "if", but rather a matter of "when". while it could be months, it can also be years. it just on how much the design parameters are exceeded.

i think he clearly mentioned this: if people wanna potentially bust their cards..... let them its none of your business.

wtf are you talking about? did i dictate to anyone whether they should or shouldn't?

it was stated, "stop stating what you think will happen as a fact that will happen. "

that they can or cannot is up to them; i was simply stating the breakdown of the circuit due to excessive voltage is a fact. it's called electormigration. this can be caused by heat (which can be monitored and controlled via more effective cooling methods) or excessive voltage (this cannot be controlled). it's mutually exclusive, however the presence of both conditions will speed up the rate of degradation.

like i said, it could take weeks, months, or years, depending on several varibles - but it does happen.

why do you think it voids the warranty? just cause? maybe manufacturers are just anal? no (well, maybe the are, but that's not the reason). it's because it potentially does physical damage to the components.

well u just said that earlier..anyway, if i want my card dead then its still none of your business

you're an idot....

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: skyyspam
Ackmed, I tried to redeem the iloveati coupon code on the X1800XT, and it didn't work. Even if it did work, the price would still be $321.85 ($389.00 + $4.65 S&H + $28.20 TAX = $421.85, - $50 MIR = $371.85, -$50 CC = $321.85).

When I enter the code it gives this error message:
"Although you've entered a valid promo code, your order does not currently meet the code's usage criteria."

Just to be sure, is this the same retail ATI X1800XT 512MB card you were saying newegg has for $265?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102624

Thanks.

No, its this one; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102697

And I just checked it, and it still works. $310 +5 shipping, -$50 instant rebate. Making it $265 out the "door", no mail in rebate, with 512MB ram. The retail X1900XT can be had for $375, and a retail X1900XTX can be had for $425. It was $410 Friday... but screwegg raised the price as usual.

Originally posted by: skyyspam
I told you what I paid, why are you telling me I didn't pay what I paid?

From the invoice:

subtotal: $287.99
shipping: $0.00
vendor direct delivery: $0.00
total sales tax: $20.88
total current purchase: $308.87

Add the $50 MIRs, and you get: $258.87, which I rounded to $260. The hot deal that was the extra 10% off is no longer valid, therefore you pay more today than you would have yesterday if you jumped on the deal as I did.

The link you dropped didnt have the extra 10% you are now mentioning. How was I supposed to know about it? Sorry about the misunderstanding. Good thing you got it when you did, its now $330 no rebate.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Extelleron

They can handle it, maybe. The fact is, there IS A REASON why those cores arent being used in the GTX's- they arent good enough. nVidia is saying, when they give you a 7900GT core, that that core you're getting didnt meet the specifications for the GTX, aka 650 MHz, and 1.4v. Therefore, running it at those settings and beyond is NOT 100% safe whatsoever, and eventually, whether it be in a year or two or longer, it WILL fail. That might not be so bad, who keeps the card that long anyway? BUT, alot of people dont seem to be happy with 1.4v and GTX speeds. They are increasing it to 1.5v, 1.6v, even 1.7v. Now THOSE are unsafe voltages, and by using them you're just asking for your card to fail in a few months. Sure, you can get XTX speeds out of most 7900GT's by taking the voltage up to 1.5v or 1.6v, but dont expect it to last long.

Heh, completely untrue. What if every core was perfect and good enough to be a GTX? Would there be no 7900GT's at @ the 300.00 price point? I don't think so. Nvidia needs to fill this price point and as you can see, they are selling very well. Not only are they die shrink, but the transistor count has been substantially reduced costing Nvidia a whole lot less money to make a G71 core than it did a G70 core. A whole lot more GT's than GTX's are selling I would imagine. I am certain there are cores that are better/worse than others. No two cores are identical but are within specs. You saying it "WILL" fail is just plain absurd. You don't know that at all. It's just something for you to say to take away from the card. This I can understand. And know that I understand it. 1.4v is safe IMHO if the GTX can run it without any probs. 1.5v is probably ok also. Anything higher like you said could be damaging to the cores, I would agree.

EDIT: Look at all the X800GTO's/2 that utilized perfectly good R480 cores. I heard the success rate of unlocking GTO's/2's were very high. BIOS flashing, o/c'ing like mad and the whole 9 yards.
Do you think those GTO's will burn out?

Fine, you are right there. Plenty of GT's could run @ GTX speeds and voltages and be fine, as long as you have a better cooler. However, not all of them. For the most part, nVidia isnt going to put cores that could run perfectly well @ 650 MHz +1.4v on a 7900GT which only needs to run well @ 450 MHz +1.2v. Why would they? The GTX earns them alot more money per sale, and regardless of what you say about more GT's selling, the GTX's are still selling like hotcakes, even though the X1900's are cheaper and better. So basicly, SOME of the GT's will run well @ 650MHz +1.4v, but a good deal of them SHOULDNT be run there. And also, most people ARENT stopping @ 1.4v and GTX speeds. Alot of people are going to 1.5v and beyond, in one review I saw 1.7v. Now THAT is where you're just asking for failure. I'd say 1.4v is the maximum ANYONE should go on a GT, unless they have enough money to easily replace it when it dies, and if they did, why not get a GTX or XTX in the first place?

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
it's a fact increasing voltages cause breakdown between electrical 'traces' over time. this increases as voltages are raised beyond design limits. it's not a matter of "if", but rather a matter of "when". while it could be months, it can also be years. it just on how much the design parameters are exceeded.

i think he clearly mentioned this: if people wanna potentially bust their cards..... let them its none of your business.

wtf are you talking about? did i dictate to anyone whether they should or shouldn't?

it was stated, "stop stating what you think will happen as a fact that will happen. "

that they can or cannot is up to them; i was simply stating the breakdown of the circuit due to excessive voltage is a fact. it's called electormigration. this can be caused by heat (which can be monitored and controlled via more effective cooling methods) or excessive voltage (this cannot be controlled). it's mutually exclusive, however the presence of both conditions will speed up the rate of degradation.

like i said, it could take weeks, months, or years, depending on several varibles - but it does happen.

why do you think it voids the warranty? just cause? maybe manufacturers are just anal? no (well, maybe the are, but that's not the reason). it's because it potentially does physical damage to the components.

well u just said that earlier..anyway, if i want my card dead then its still none of your business

you're an idot....

u fool..stop trolling and stop repeating wut u say..none of ur business still..

 

[Praxis1452]

"if I want my card dead... it's still none of your business"

Fine agreed go ahead and smash your card over a rock.... but instead why not send it to me ;-)

But when you advise other people to fry their card... then yes it's his business and everyone else's as well.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Alaa
u fool..stop trolling and stop repeating wut u say..none of ur business still..

You said "what you think will happen." It's not what CaiNam THINKS will happen...electromigration is a FACT...it's what WILL happen if you run at excessive voltage.

But you're right, it's your money to burn so by all means go ahead.

 

[imported_ST]

Just a slight update...I've been working in the background with another ATI X1900XT user to help me in the many facets of the card, IRT to quality, benchmarking, and overclocking. I likely won't post the results until everything is done and my obervations are checked out accordingly. for thos still trolling, have fun

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Extelleron

They can handle it, maybe. The fact is, there IS A REASON why those cores arent being used in the GTX's- they arent good enough. nVidia is saying, when they give you a 7900GT core, that that core you're getting didnt meet the specifications for the GTX, aka 650 MHz, and 1.4v. Therefore, running it at those settings and beyond is NOT 100% safe whatsoever, and eventually, whether it be in a year or two or longer, it WILL fail. That might not be so bad, who keeps the card that long anyway? BUT, alot of people dont seem to be happy with 1.4v and GTX speeds. They are increasing it to 1.5v, 1.6v, even 1.7v. Now THOSE are unsafe voltages, and by using them you're just asking for your card to fail in a few months. Sure, you can get XTX speeds out of most 7900GT's by taking the voltage up to 1.5v or 1.6v, but dont expect it to last long.

Heh, completely untrue. What if every core was perfect and good enough to be a GTX? Would there be no 7900GT's at @ the 300.00 price point? I don't think so. Nvidia needs to fill this price point and as you can see, they are selling very well. Not only are they die shrink, but the transistor count has been substantially reduced costing Nvidia a whole lot less money to make a G71 core than it did a G70 core. A whole lot more GT's than GTX's are selling I would imagine. I am certain there are cores that are better/worse than others. No two cores are identical but are within specs. You saying it "WILL" fail is just plain absurd. You don't know that at all. It's just something for you to say to take away from the card. This I can understand. And know that I understand it. 1.4v is safe IMHO if the GTX can run it without any probs. 1.5v is probably ok also. Anything higher like you said could be damaging to the cores, I would agree.

EDIT: Look at all the X800GTO's/2 that utilized perfectly good R480 cores. I heard the success rate of unlocking GTO's/2's were very high. BIOS flashing, o/c'ing like mad and the whole 9 yards.
Do you think those GTO's will burn out?

Fine, you are right there. Plenty of GT's could run @ GTX speeds and voltages and be fine, as long as you have a better cooler. However, not all of them. For the most part, nVidia isnt going to put cores that could run perfectly well @ 650 MHz +1.4v on a 7900GT which only needs to run well @ 450 MHz +1.2v. Why would they? The GTX earns them alot more money per sale, and regardless of what you say about more GT's selling, the GTX's are still selling like hotcakes, even though the X1900's are cheaper and better. So basicly, SOME of the GT's will run well @ 650MHz +1.4v, but a good deal of them SHOULDNT be run there. And also, most people ARENT stopping @ 1.4v and GTX speeds. Alot of people are going to 1.5v and beyond, in one review I saw 1.7v. Now THAT is where you're just asking for failure. I'd say 1.4v is the maximum ANYONE should go on a GT, unless they have enough money to easily replace it when it dies, and if they did, why not get a GTX or XTX in the first place?

I won't quibble with you on this debate because it is all speculation, but you might ask yourself why have an XT and XTX if the XT can reach (and usually exceed) XTX specs (my present X1900 does)?

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Hey ST, since you dont like ATI and consider it garbage, you can send that x1900 my way. Um ill send you 50 bucks for that POS, I just want to modify it into a hedge trimmer. If you want I can also send you some nude shots of the NVIDIA fairy. You can thank me for my generosity by PM

a couple of things to note for you trollers, #1 i never considered ATI garbage, in fact i never spoke of ATI at all..I only speak of what i have experience with first hand, a 7900GT. Secondly, i will sell you this so called "POS" x1900XT as you put for $50, but also have to charge an additional $450 shipping. PM me for details, and note, yes I tried to soft volt mod it, so the warranty is voided

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

obviously it did one thing good already, it got you trolls to stay in one thread

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
No real need for philosophical debates when we have folks with the actual hardware in question right here. Not really sure why you say I am biased here. I feel I have been rather neutral for the most part lately and try to even calm things down a bit. So, not really seeing what you're seeing. Sorry.

And ST's "Time for the BS to stop" could also mean he is tired of all the BS bickering and now he can truly see for himself who is full of BS and who is not, because he has all the hardware now. You can argue that he did not mean it in that way, buy why would you want to. It's not even worth the effort. Effort that can be better spent being focused on getting down to the bottom of issues, rumors, claims, etc. etc.

qft!


edit: to give you a general idea of what i'm looking at presently, it seems my concentration will be on Oblivion benchmarks and IQ. Here's a little taste to whet ya'lls appetite:

ATI 621 - 720 HDR-No AA No AF - Performance
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
14599, 523496, 18, 66, 27.888

NV 520 - 720 HDR - No AA No AF - Performance
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
13144, 554991, 1, 46, 23.683

More elaboration on these scores, and a ton of other scores as well as IQ shots to come...

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: BFG10K

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

obviously it did one thing good already, it got you trolls to stay in one thread

lol ST calling anyone who said your thread flamebait a troll. This thread is useless noone cares what you think and in the end your results won't mean ******.

You had to "try" to soft volt mod it? lol so I'm guessing you failed huh

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: BFG10K

look at ati fans posts..

You need to stop trolling.

The original poster came in here high and mighty telling us he was going to squash the BS and all we've got so far is a bunch of worthless 3DMark results.

The thread is nothing more than flamebait.

obviously it did one thing good already, it got you trolls to stay in one thread

lol ST calling anyone who said your thread flamebait a troll. This thread is useless noone cares what you think and in the end your results won't mean ******.

You had to "try" to soft volt mod it? lol so I'm guessing you failed huh

then you can ignore and leave this thread Wouldn't bother me one bit what your biased thoughts are

 

[Praxis1452]

Nah I'm having fun

There's no objectivity anyway so what's your point? I'm just as biased as you are.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Nah I'm having fun

There's no objectivity anyway so what's your point? I'm just as biased as you are.

I'm biased enough that I bought a X1900XT?

Where's your 7900GT and scores then?

 

[Praxis1452]

I'm too poor heh or else I would... seriously. If I had 1k on me hell I'd def buy a 7900gt and see how far I could push it. But I'd probably buy the X1900XT and just keep that. But really I was using an fx5200 for oblivion lol. I got the cash for a new comp build waiting till Q3 though.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
I'm too poor heh or else I would... seriously. If I had 1k on me hell I'd def buy a 7900gt and see how far I could push it. But I'd probably buy the X1900XT and just keep that. But really I was using an fx5200 for oblivion lol. I got the cash for a new comp build waiting till Q3 though.

hehe, well i do have the cash for both, and i'm seriously attempting to understand the nuances of both platforms. so far from what i have observed, both parties (ATI + nVidia) are correct More details to come...

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Alaa
u fool..stop trolling and stop repeating wut u say..none of ur business still..

u still can't get it, can you? lol...

what's not my business? where did i tell anyone what to do or what not to do? umm.. nowhere... if you're gonna speak your mind, you might want to try not to be absolutely clueless!