Got my X1900XT

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Nah I'm having fun

There's no objectivity anyway so what's your point? I'm just as biased as you are.

I'm biased enough that I bought a X1900XT?

Where's your 7900GT and scores then?

ST, the simple fact that you bought a X1900XT doesn't negate the fact that you or anybody else might be biased..

And why on earth someone would buy a 7900gt if he already has a x1900xt? Do you honestly believe that the average guy would think that you might not be biased if you buy a card from ATI? If I had a lot of cash for spending I'd go for another x1900xt to CF them, not get an inferior card just to test it.. I wouldn't care what the others might think of me, as long as I would think that I made the right choice for me, as I'm always trying to do...
This round ATI had to offer me a much more complete solution, so I went with ATI.
Previously I owned a 9800pro then a 6800gt and a 7800gtx256 since x1800xt was really late to the market..
We are judged by our opinions, and quite frankly some ppl in these forums are characterized by their bias for years. It's ok to be biased if you want to, but when some of these opinions are getting out of reality and distort the truth, then it's becoming nothing more than just a joke..
It would be good though if we see some meaningful benchmarks from you, and that would be appreciated.. Just don't let yourself become another useless fanatic, try to contribute meaningfully and you might be surprised with the appreciation you could get from a variety of users..

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: jim1976

ST, the simple fact that you bought a X1900XT doesn't negate the fact that you or anybody else might be biased..

And why on earth someone would buy a 7900gt if he already has a x1900xt? Do you honestly believe that the average guy would think that you might not be biased if you buy a card from ATI? If I had a lot of cash for spending I'd go for another x1900xt to CF them, not get an inferior card just to test it.. I wouldn't care what the others might think of me, as long as I would think that I made the right choice for me, as I'm always trying to do...
This round ATI had to offer me a much more complete solution, so I went with ATI.
Previously I owned a 9800pro then a 6800gt and a 7800gtx256 since x1800xt was really late to the market..
We are judged by our opinions, and quite frankly some ppl in these forums are characterized by their bias for years. It's ok to be biased if you want to, but when some of these opinions are getting out of reality and distort the truth, then it's becoming nothing more than just a joke..
It would be good though if we see some meaningful benchmarks from you, and that would be appreciated.. Just don't let yourself become another useless fanatic, try to contribute meaningfully and you might be surprised with the appreciation you could get from a variety of users..

Understandably and no one is attempting to persuade switching/upgrading/trading in from one side or another. This exercise for me was simply one of curiosity, since I was rationalizing to go to an all ATI platform. The benchmarks will be on their way, I am just double and triple checking things to ensure everything is accurate and repeatable. The results thus far have even surprised me!

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Hey ST, since you dont like ATI and consider it garbage, you can send that x1900 my way. Um ill send you 50 bucks for that POS, I just want to modify it into a hedge trimmer. If you want I can also send you some nude shots of the NVIDIA fairy. You can thank me for my generosity by PM

a couple of things to note for you trollers, #1 i never considered ATI garbage, in fact i never spoke of ATI at all..I only speak of what i have experience with first hand, a 7900GT. Secondly, i will sell you this so called "POS" x1900XT as you put for $50, but also have to charge an additional $450 shipping. PM me for details, and note, yes I tried to soft volt mod it, so the warranty is voided

Not nice I just wanted the card! Fine, send me the 7900gt instead. And you can send me a card too, hopefully with something witty written on it.

 

[Stoneburner]

What are your preliminary results?

 

[tuteja1986]

this guy is a joke. He doesn't understand the issues and has his mind set on making ATI look bad. Also you ain't the 1st one to own both , i have owned a 7800GTX and we know the issue and we have discussed over and over :! Your thread is just a joke because all you have done is post up useless Numbers. You haven't shown us anything worthwhile talking about.

Take a pic of your Graphic card and System
Take screenshot of your overclocked CPU/GPU
Take screenshot of your 3D 2006/2005 Results

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
this guy is a joke. He doesn't understand the issues and has his mind set on making ATI look bad. Also you ain't the 1st one to own both , i have owned a 7800GTX and we know the issue and we have discussed over and over :! Your thread is just a joke because all you have done is post up useless Numbers. You haven't shown us anything worthwhile talking about.

Take a pic of your Graphic card and System
Take screenshot of your overclocked CPU/GPU
Take screenshot of your 3D 2006/2005 Results

From 1st post:

Originally posted by: ST
This endeavor will probably take at least a weak, and i'll update it casually...who knows, maybe after all of this is done, I'll keep the x1900.

Edit: I think there's a typo there, probably should be 'week' instead of 'weak'

 

[BFG10K]

No, no, "weak" perfectly describes the efforts thus-far.

 

[Keysplayr]

You guys are a joke man. Give him a chance. I know what he is doing and he is making sure he is doing it right. He is working with another guy who also has a X1900XT.

If you don't like it, don't enter this thread again if it is full of distaste for you. Tuteja, your comment was pretty off the wall. The exact logic can be applied to you. You could be dead set and ready to go to complain and bash any benchmarks he does "just because" you think he is here only to bash ATI and make them look bad.

Now THAT is weak. Get a grip, be patient, and don't be jerks.

Keys

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
No, no, "weak" perfectly describes the efforts thus-far.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFL!!!

God BFG, that was good! Oh man.

I've been periodically checking this thread, and everytime the same old thing. "Who knows guys, maybe I'll keep the ATI card, eh..eh." Next check, "Who knows, maybe I'll keep the ATI card yeah...TBD he he he....yeah....who knows?!" Why are so many people waiting for to see what his results are? There are tons of sites displaying benchmarks, what makes his experience so interesting?

 

[fierydemise]

Real user comparisons are nice because they provide a slightly more accurate measure of what'll happen when you put a video card in your system, unlike reviewers who do a clean install. However this can introduce some new problems but ST seems to be trying to be very careful so it'll take him a while, just be patient guys.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Alaa
u fool..stop trolling and stop repeating wut u say..none of ur business still..

u still can't get it, can you? lol...

what's not my business? where did i tell anyone what to do or what not to do? umm.. nowhere... if you're gonna speak your mind, you might want to try not to be absolutely clueless!

u r too stupid really.u posted facts, ok..thts enough,u can shut up now..i can burn my money..none of ur business if i want to burn my money or not..the debate is over! u said wut u want, i do wut i want!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Alaa
u fool..stop trolling and stop repeating wut u say..none of ur business still..

u still can't get it, can you? lol...

what's not my business? where did i tell anyone what to do or what not to do? umm.. nowhere... if you're gonna speak your mind, you might want to try not to be absolutely clueless!

u r too stupid really.u posted facts, ok..thts enough,u can shut up now..i can burn my money..none of ur business if i want to burn my money or not..the debate is over! u said wut u want, i do wut i want!

Can you take this oh so very important issue to PM's please?

 

[Alaa]

sorry for off-topic..i hope that ST creates a new thread for the results

 

[CaiNaM]

ST..

curious.. even tho you may not have had time for all the benchmarks, etc. how is the overclocking coming along? have you had time to ck out HiQAF? do you have oblivion so you can see what being able to run AA along with HDR does for the game?

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
ST..

curious.. even tho you may not have had time for all the benchmarks, etc. how is the overclocking coming along? have you had time to ck out HiQAF? do you have oblivion so you can see what being able to run AA along with HDR does for the game?

Cainm - I've been only able to OC via Overdrive. Haven't had much time to attempt to do it via ATI Tool (plan on doing this today after work). Yes I have looked at HiQ AF, HDR+AA, and other various nuances

 

[Tom]

JUst wanted to say I appreciate seeing ST's results, as someone else said already, real users input is great to read.


btw, I skipped the middle thousand messages, didn't seem to be much there worth reading..let me know if there's somethnig I missed.

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Hey ST, if it turns out you aren't keeping your X1900XT, you can always sell it to me . . .

But yeah I'm really interested in seeing some IQ action . . .

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Real user comparisons are nice because they provide a slightly more accurate measure of what'll happen when you put a video card in your system, unlike reviewers who do a clean install. However this can introduce some new problems but ST seems to be trying to be very careful so it'll take him a while, just be patient guys.

If you want a "more accurate measure" of the actual card in question I would think a clean install would be desired, otherwise you might just be testing that person (and their softwares) ability to actually make all the pre-existing software utilize the card to its potential. This is not to say that ST isn't up to the challange but it does provide the opportunity to debunk some of the results.

I would hope ST realizes this before posting negative results, but as he already stated that driver instalation was a "pita" and hinted about a problem with AVIVO and overclocking, I don't think he has. This doesn't mean that those problems will be resolved with a fresh install, but without a fresh install he has opened the door to criticism from anyone that doesn't like/agree with his results.

 

[akugami]

Just got home from work earlier. Excited to see my new X1900XT. Initial impressions upon opening the box. ****** packaging. While I know the X1900XT box is padded inside you'd figure they'd put more than two scrunched up brown paper (kinda like newspaper) as packaging in the box. Not to mention the actual X1900 box has a hole in it, sorta like if someone jammed their finger into the box or dropped it into the corner of a table and created a hole. Upon opening the box, I took out the X1900 and inspected it. Looking at the static bag, there is a tear in the bag due to the card's pcb puncturing it. That along with the hole in the box attests to the fact whoever was handling the box was throwing it around like a football. This card is heavy. It's like a friggin brick compared to my old X800.

Shutting down the computer and will give my impressions about performance later.

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Originally posted by: akugami
This card is heavy. It's like a friggin brick compared to my old X800.

Probably due to that massive copper heatsink . . .

 

[Stoneburner]

well when he posts his results people that have x1900's can compare at least.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Real user comparisons are nice because they provide a slightly more accurate measure of what'll happen when you put a video card in your system, unlike reviewers who do a clean install. However this can introduce some new problems but ST seems to be trying to be very careful so it'll take him a while, just be patient guys.

If you want a "more accurate measure" of the actual card in question I would think a clean install would be desired, otherwise you might just be testing that person (and their softwares) ability to actually make all the pre-existing software utilize the card to its potential. This is not to say that ST isn't up to the challange but it does provide the opportunity to debunk some of the results.

I would hope ST realizes this before posting negative results, but as he already stated that driver instalation was a "pita" and hinted about a problem with AVIVO and overclocking, I don't think he has. This doesn't mean that those problems will be resolved with a fresh install, but without a fresh install he has opened the door to criticism from anyone that doesn't like/agree with his results.

fresh installs are vastly overrated. i've NEVER had to do one to switch video cards.

edit: hell, come to think of it, i've gone thru 4 motherboards without a fresh install (abit bd6 to msi 865pe to msi k8neo2 plat nf3 to dfi nf4).

 

[imported_ST]

first round of oblivion results should be up tomorrow. i am having another x1900xt user check my preliminary results. IQ comparions probably up on wednesday. note: because of all the permutations in testing along with double / triple checking the results, refrapping, screen captures, etc., i have limited the res to 1920x1080p (the native resolution of my mointor). if i have time, i'll try some other resolutions too, especially comparing HDR+AA w/ HDR and no AA.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Real user comparisons are nice because they provide a slightly more accurate measure of what'll happen when you put a video card in your system, unlike reviewers who do a clean install. However this can introduce some new problems but ST seems to be trying to be very careful so it'll take him a while, just be patient guys.

If you want a "more accurate measure" of the actual card in question I would think a clean install would be desired, otherwise you might just be testing that person (and their softwares) ability to actually make all the pre-existing software utilize the card to its potential. This is not to say that ST isn't up to the challange but it does provide the opportunity to debunk some of the results.

I would hope ST realizes this before posting negative results, but as he already stated that driver instalation was a "pita" and hinted about a problem with AVIVO and overclocking, I don't think he has. This doesn't mean that those problems will be resolved with a fresh install, but without a fresh install he has opened the door to criticism from anyone that doesn't like/agree with his results.

fresh installs are vastly overrated. i've NEVER had to do one to switch video cards.

edit: hell, come to think of it, i've gone thru 4 motherboards without a fresh install (abit bd6 to msi 865pe to msi k8neo2 plat nf3 to dfi nf4).

I agree with you about fresh installs Canaim, but I think you know what might happen if for some reason the X1900XT benches arent favorable to some. To remove this equation and potential arguing point, for the purpose of solid and accurate as possible benches, ST should do fresh from scratch installs. I know it's a royal pain, but worth not having your benches knocked later from those who don't like the results. You won't hear a peep if the results are good.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Real user comparisons are nice because they provide a slightly more accurate measure of what'll happen when you put a video card in your system, unlike reviewers who do a clean install. However this can introduce some new problems but ST seems to be trying to be very careful so it'll take him a while, just be patient guys.

If you want a "more accurate measure" of the actual card in question I would think a clean install would be desired, otherwise you might just be testing that person (and their softwares) ability to actually make all the pre-existing software utilize the card to its potential. This is not to say that ST isn't up to the challange but it does provide the opportunity to debunk some of the results.

I would hope ST realizes this before posting negative results, but as he already stated that driver instalation was a "pita" and hinted about a problem with AVIVO and overclocking, I don't think he has. This doesn't mean that those problems will be resolved with a fresh install, but without a fresh install he has opened the door to criticism from anyone that doesn't like/agree with his results.

fresh installs are vastly overrated. i've NEVER had to do one to switch video cards.

edit: hell, come to think of it, i've gone thru 4 motherboards without a fresh install (abit bd6 to msi 865pe to msi k8neo2 plat nf3 to dfi nf4).

I agree with you about fresh installs Canaim, but I think you know what might happen if for some reason the X1900XT benches arent favorable to some. To remove this equation and potential arguing point, for the purpose of solid and accurate as possible benches, ST should do fresh from scratch installs. I know it's a royal pain, but worth not having your benches knocked later from those who don't like the results. You won't hear a peep if the results are good.

Keysplayr2003, that is exactly my point, and I agree that you won't hear this brought up if the results are good.

CaiNaM, my point was not that a fresh install is required for every change made to a system for it to work, but instead a fresh install might be required for some changes to show off their full potential. If I remember correctly Anandtech showed this to be true when changing from an Athlon to an Athlon XP. In this case Windows would not recognize that the XP had SSE2 support (but it did still funtion properly, just without SSE2 support), thus requiring a fresh install to reach the full potential the Athlon XP was capable of. I realize that this may not be the norm but are you willing to assume that every program either has no optimizations or allways checks and reconfigures its optomizations every time the program is started? Personally I have a hard time believing that every program would add to its load times on the off chance that some enthusiast changed hardware, but what the heck maybe I am wrong.