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Londo_Jowo

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper
Does this mean that you're going to allow yourself to get suckered into buying a big gas guzzling SUV?



He freely admits to being a 1%er in the oil thug Industry.

He is the reason for high prices.

I could sworn the reason you pay higher prices is due to the thieves you voted into office.
 

OverVolt

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Debt is deflationary, QE is inflationary. The key metric to watch is money velocity.

If money velocity were at housing boom levels, the GDP would be ~$21Trillion. So there is serious inflation potential of all the corporate money came off the sidelines and spurred the lending of credit.

Gas would be $7-8 in that situation. Easy.

That type of economy would destroy the baby boomers savings, and enrich the younger generations to pay off their debts.
 

dmcowen674

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Funny how you have absolutely no fucking knowledge of why prices increase for commodities in general.

Apparently you are the one that doesn't know jack shit.

You also lie, can't read and lack critical thinking skills.

I doubt even going back to school could help you.
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I don't believe this guy below for a sec on the price dropping so precipitously.

But he is right about the oil supply situation that they have run out of room to store all of it. Barges have been docked up and down the Mississippi for years now. It has to be turning into sludge by now.

12-2-2012

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1039621-wti-crude-oil-to-test-65-level-in-2013?source=yahoo

WTI Crude Oil To Test $65 Level In 2013


Now we get to the supply side of the equation, and here is the problem for Oil bulls, and partly the reason so many funds got killed in 2012 trying to aggressively invest in Oil through Futures, ETFs and the like. No established trends could take hold because the supply levels globally and domestically are well above the five-year average, and at the height of that range.

The most noteworthy trend in the Oil markets for 2012 is the increased role of U.S. and Canadian production, and it is only going to get stronger for 2013 and into the future.

Just to give the reader an idea of some of this dynamic change in U.S. production numbers alone, the United States is on track for a 7% increase in oil production this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day. Furthermore, The U.S. Department of Energy is forecasting that U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons will average 11.4 million barrels per day in 2013. For the sake of comparison, Saudi Arabia's output is approximately 11.6 million barrels per day.

The only reason Oil isn't much lower currently is that there has been a lot of increased Oil storage for newly built capacity in China and the U.S. For example, Cushing Oklahoma, which is the location that the WTI Futures contract is based upon, had a storage capacity of approximately 47 million barrels in March 2011, with increased Capacity upgrades it stands just above 60 million barrels as of March of 2012.

But here is the kicker; on September 30, 2011 Cushing had just under 30 million barrels in storage, as of last week Cushing has 46 million barrels stored at this location, this is an increase of 16 million barrels in one year. If we have a repeat in 2013, which all signs point to as the trend is getting stronger not weaker, then Cushing will be running out of working storage capacity of just over 60 million barrels. I am sure Cushing is building more workable storage capacity as we speak, but at some level what is the point, 2013 is when WTI starts really pricing in some of this supply glut that comes from increased U.S. and Canadian production.


The supply glut just isn't in WTI-- it is felt in total U.S. inventory levels, which to quote directly from the EIA Report: "At 374.1 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are well above the upper limit of the average range for this time of year." The US Inventory level will probably bust through the 400 million level in 2013 for the first time in history.

You can only store so much Crude Oil, and with 700 million in the Strategic Reserves, another 400 million in U.S. Reserves, how much do we really need to store in an increasingly energy independent North American Region?

Economics will dictate that you can only build so much storage to avert the price drop from continual over supply, and right now the world produces more Oil than it consumes each day, and it has for the past 16 months, this trend will only get worse in 2013. So expect prices to finally start to address this over supply issue in the Oil Markets in 2013.
 

OverVolt

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Well yea, there is a global recession. Glad I'm not in Europe. Or China. They have yet to meet their financial maker, like the USA already has.

All of China's bluffing will just bite them in the ass later, and all of Europes social programs will just cause more and more clamoring for more and more social programs and everyone will get super poor, but they will all be equally poor.
 

OverVolt

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Yea but this seems to be a relative low. Its not like the price has been rising/falling. Its just been sideways.

When the price is sideways we are usually at a low. I remember gas going sideways at $2.35-$2.65 before it ramped up to $4 again.

Apparently $3.35 or so is the new $2.35

I'm not really worried about $3.35 (although that price used to make people complain) but what if that is the low? Is my line of thinking. Which I think it is. In order for people to feel the pain again it would have to be like $4.94 if there is ever another rally in oil/gas prices.
 

dmcowen674

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This is why I believe that guy that said oil will drop to $65 is smoking crack.


12-3-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/oil-above-89-chinese-manufacturing-improves-054414650--finance.html

Oil above $89 as Chinese manufacturing improves



Surveys by the state-sanctioned China Federation of Logistics & Purchasing and HSBC Corp. showed China's manufacturing is expanding.


Signs of recovery in a major economy typically herald an increase in energy consumption and therefore push oil prices higher.

Oil had its first monthly gain in four months in November, but is still trading below the 2012 average of $94.65 per barrel.
 

OverVolt

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With a tude like you have I highly doubt you have any friends.

Its the truth, it burnsssssssssss :awe:

So many people have ridiculous expectations, I've never seen such a large divergence between peoples expectations and reality in my life.
 

desy

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It won't get to 65, if price gets that low a lot of producers will stop drilling/ pumping and cap the well, because they can't make money and the price will drive right back up
 

dmcowen674

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Woohoo, you guys will be thrilled.

I have been knocked off the road.

So I won't be using any gas at all.

When we had that motorcycle accident the trooper followed the ambulance to the hospital to give me a ticket for failure to maintain lane control. It was $166 plus $500 damage to gravel on the road.

Apparently that is such a major ticket that it caused my insurance to jump from $250 a month to $1,024 a month.

I can't afford that so bicycle to work I go.

Don't know how we will get groceries etc yet.

Putting cars up for sale and the motorcycle so we'll have some money from the proceeds.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Prices are still holding steady close to where I live. Range is from $2.94/gal to $3.09/gal. Funny I never see that many cars at the station with the higher proced gas.

Dave, not sure why you chose to make the above post in this thread as it has nothing to do with the thread subject. If you're looking for sympathy, it can be found in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.
 

Doppel

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Woohoo, you guys will be thrilled.

I have been knocked off the road.

So I won't be using any gas at all.

When we had that motorcycle accident the trooper followed the ambulance to the hospital to give me a ticket for failure to maintain lane control. It was $166 plus $500 damage to gravel on the road.

Apparently that is such a major ticket that it caused my insurance to jump from $250 a month to $1,024 a month.

I can't afford that so bicycle to work I go.

Don't know how we will get groceries etc yet.

Putting cars up for sale and the motorcycle so we'll have some money from the proceeds.
Sorry to hear this. Hope things work out for you and you figure out a way to get the transportation you need.
 

dmcowen674

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Prices are still holding steady close to where I live. Range is from $2.94/gal to $3.09/gal. Funny I never see that many cars at the station with the higher proced gas.

Dave, not sure why you chose to make the above post in this thread as it has nothing to do with the thread subject. If you're looking for sympathy, it can be found in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

It has to do gas consumption.

I wouldn't know about syphilis but apparently you do, you should see a doctor about that.

Or maybe not
 

chucky2

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Dave just ride the bike or car w/o insurance. There's so many people around doing that it's rediculous. If/When you are stopped, just say No habla and then if they press, scream about police brutality and oppression. This is Chicago dude, a 'Sanctuary City'...you'll be fine... (unless you're white, then you're F'd)

Chuck
 

dmcowen674

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Dave just ride the bike or car w/o insurance. There's so many people around doing that it's rediculous. If/When you are stopped, just say No habla and then if they press, scream about police brutality and oppression. This is Chicago dude, a 'Sanctuary City'...you'll be fine... (unless you're white, then you're F'd)

Chuck

I am white.

You have a good idea there.

With the money I will be saving on car insurance I could afford a tanning salon.

I already speak spanish pretty well.

Maybe could change my last name to Rodriguez too. :thumbsup:
 

DucatiMonster696

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Apparently you are the one that doesn't know jack shit.

You also lie, can't read and lack critical thinking skills.

I doubt even going back to school could help you.
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I don't believe this guy below for a sec on the price dropping so precipitously.

But he is right about the oil supply situation that they have run out of room to store all of it. Barges have been docked up and down the Mississippi for years now. It has to be turning into sludge by now.

12-2-2012

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1039621-wti-crude-oil-to-test-65-level-in-2013?source=yahoo

WTI Crude Oil To Test $65 Level In 2013


Now we get to the supply side of the equation, and here is the problem for Oil bulls, and partly the reason so many funds got killed in 2012 trying to aggressively invest in Oil through Futures, ETFs and the like. No established trends could take hold because the supply levels globally and domestically are well above the five-year average, and at the height of that range.

The most noteworthy trend in the Oil markets for 2012 is the increased role of U.S. and Canadian production, and it is only going to get stronger for 2013 and into the future.

Just to give the reader an idea of some of this dynamic change in U.S. production numbers alone, the United States is on track for a 7% increase in oil production this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day. Furthermore, The U.S. Department of Energy is forecasting that U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons will average 11.4 million barrels per day in 2013. For the sake of comparison, Saudi Arabia's output is approximately 11.6 million barrels per day.

The only reason Oil isn't much lower currently is that there has been a lot of increased Oil storage for newly built capacity in China and the U.S. For example, Cushing Oklahoma, which is the location that the WTI Futures contract is based upon, had a storage capacity of approximately 47 million barrels in March 2011, with increased Capacity upgrades it stands just above 60 million barrels as of March of 2012.

But here is the kicker; on September 30, 2011 Cushing had just under 30 million barrels in storage, as of last week Cushing has 46 million barrels stored at this location, this is an increase of 16 million barrels in one year. If we have a repeat in 2013, which all signs point to as the trend is getting stronger not weaker, then Cushing will be running out of working storage capacity of just over 60 million barrels. I am sure Cushing is building more workable storage capacity as we speak, but at some level what is the point, 2013 is when WTI starts really pricing in some of this supply glut that comes from increased U.S. and Canadian production.


The supply glut just isn't in WTI-- it is felt in total U.S. inventory levels, which to quote directly from the EIA Report: "At 374.1 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are well above the upper limit of the average range for this time of year." The US Inventory level will probably bust through the 400 million level in 2013 for the first time in history.

You can only store so much Crude Oil, and with 700 million in the Strategic Reserves, another 400 million in U.S. Reserves, how much do we really need to store in an increasingly energy independent North American Region?

Economics will dictate that you can only build so much storage to avert the price drop from continual over supply, and right now the world produces more Oil than it consumes each day, and it has for the past 16 months, this trend will only get worse in 2013. So expect prices to finally start to address this over supply issue in the Oil Markets in 2013.



Great !! Awesome!! Nice article on how their is a oversupply of oil due to increases of storage capacity, a lack of economic demand world, etc

Dave you really know how to post other people's opinion of which you have very little understanding apparently. In addition you have no fucking clue about what you are talking about but you somehow mistakenly believe you do because of your ability to copy and paste shit which is not a demonstration of understanding of the topic itself at hand.

So where is the conspiracy to raise prices again Dave???
 
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DucatiMonster696

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You tell me.

We have more oil than ever before that there is no room to store it all and yet gas prices high.

So basically you have no fucking understanding of the topic. You don't understand how a devalued dollar would cause prices for gas to go up (yay for infinite QE ! QE 4 is rumored to be coming down the pipe.), or that increased demand outside of the US from nations like China or India would cause prices to go up on a globally commodity such as oil, or that local regulations, taxes, etc would also cause the prices to spike in certain local regions of the US (e.g. CA's recently government induce shortage or the North-East Coast's shortage due to anti-price gauging laws after Sandy), etc.

You're just pulling articles from the internet and hoping that something sticks or that like a broken clock you'll be right 2 times out of a day but you are not actually factoring in or considering other aspects of the market for oil globally or the local factors which can distort and inflate the price of oil and thus gasoline short or long term.
 

dmcowen674

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So basically you have no fucking understanding of the topic. You don't understand how a devalued dollar would cause prices for gas to go up (yay for infinite QE ! QE 4 is rumored to be coming down the pipe.), or that increased demand outside of the US from nations like China or India would cause prices to go up on a globally commodity such as oil, or that local regulations, taxes, etc would also cause the prices to spike in certain local regions of the US (e.g. CA's recently government induce shortage or the North-East Coast's shortage due to anti-price gauging laws after Sandy), etc.

You're just pulling articles from the internet and hoping that something sticks or that like a broken clock you'll be right 2 times out of a day but you are not actually factoring in or considering other aspects of the market for oil globally or the local factors which can distort and inflate the price of oil and thus gasoline short or long term.

None of your ranting and raving addresses the facts we are drowning in oil and gasoline is the number one export of the United States.