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dmcowen674

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I guess I'm going to laugh and look on in disbelief. Incomes are certainly not up since the recession started and yet car sales are pretty strong right now, and that includes gas-guzzling trucks and the like. We're $.30/gallon away from a national record price, in some states less than that. There are lot of options available but peeps keep rolling their steel down the road and it sucks down the gas. Bitching and complaining is going to be quite the show once we hit a new price record (though that may not happen until next year). And I don't care who you are: it's fun for everybody to laugh at people in a huge vehicle with twice as many seats as they need bitching about gas prices.

Bolded and quoted bold faced lies.

America is using less gasoline than in 2001.

Real Americans have switched to more fuel efficient cars.

The only assholes driving gas guzzlers are the rich that don't give a shit.

The number one export for the United States is GASOLINE.
 

dmcowen674

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At least I'm not so incompetent to get fired for unauthorized use of company property (computers).

But the fact is you are incompetent as you just proudly admitted but that's OK since your thug Industry gets rewarded for incompetence with higher prices as a reward for the incompetence.

and that is every Americans fault for allowing that to happen and every American deserves to pay the higher prices for rewarding the oil thugs for their incompetence.

In fact it should be $20 a gallon or higher.

Hell make it a $100 a gallon. Americans have shown they will gladly pay for the incompetence of these people.
 

dmcowen674

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10-6-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-gas-prices-equal-time-high-102715507.html

Calif. gas prices equal all-time high



The price of gasoline equaled the all-time average high in California of $4.61 a gallon Saturday, fueled by a reduced supply and a volatile market.


Prices throughout the state were expected to increase for several more days before leveling off, after a temporary reduction in supply triggered a price spike that saw fuming motorists paying $5 or more per gallon in some locations and station owners shutting down pumps in others.


AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge report released Saturday said the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded across California rose 12 cents from its Friday mark of about $4.49.


Saturday's price, the highest in the nation, equaled the record average high for California set in June 2008 of $4.61.

The dramatic surge came because of a power outage Monday at a Southern California refinery reduced supply in an already fragile and volatile market

The national average Saturday was about $3.81 a gallon, the highest ever for this time of year.

Patrick DeHaan, senior petroleum analyst at GasBuddy.com, predicted the average price could peak as high as $4.85.

The California Air Resources Board was reviewing a request from the California Independent Oil Marketers Association for a waiver that would allow gas stations to begin selling winter-blend gasoline before Halloween.


David Clegern, a spokesman for the air board, said the California Energy Commission would have to review gas inventories to confirm there is a shortage and assess what effect the switch would have on air quality.


ApRoberts said Friday that the commission has determined that the state has plenty of gasoline to meet consumer demand.


Gil Duran, a spokesman for Gov. Jerry Brown, said in an email that his office is "monitoring the situation closely."

Some stations ran out of gas and shut down rather than take the risk of buying gas at soaring prices only to be stuck with a glut of overpriced fuel if prices dropped or if customers refused to absorb the extra cost that would be passed along to them.
 

Londo_Jowo

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But the fact is you are incompetent as you just proudly admitted but that's OK since your thug Industry gets rewarded for incompetence with higher prices as a reward for the incompetence.

and that is every Americans fault for allowing that to happen and every American deserves to pay the higher prices for rewarding the oil thugs for their incompetence.

In fact it should be $20 a gallon or higher.

Hell make it a $100 a gallon. Americans have shown they will gladly pay for the incompetence of these people.

Nope, never admitted I was incompetent, just found it humorous that an idiot who was fired for being incompetent would make such a claim. I've worked for 22 years installing, commissioning, revamping, and overhauling industrial compressors and steam turbines throughout the world. You're a bumbling idiot that has only yourself to blame for your crappy job and crappy pay.
 

dmcowen674

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Nope, never admitted I was incompetent, just found it humorous that an idiot who was fired for being incompetent would make such a claim. I've worked for 22 years installing, commissioning, revamping, and overhauling industrial compressors and steam turbines throughout the world. You're a bumbling idiot that has only yourself to blame for your crappy job and crappy pay.

So which is it?

The compressors and turbines junk or crappy installation or both?
 

Londo_Jowo

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So which is it?

The compressors and turbines junk or crappy installation or both?

Operator error and inattention to safety standards are the cause of most refinery accidents.

Equipment revamps and maintenance are the reason gas prices aren't through the roof. Increased efficiency of the equipment mean higher output/capacity.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Why are you debating on here when you're getting paid to work, lol?

I'm sitting my car waiting until the mechanic perform the next critical step or they need guidance. I also answer any questions the client may have on a step or clearance. As I always tell the mechanics, they pay you from the neck to the deck, they pay me from the neck up. :D
 
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The national average Saturday was about $3.81 a gallon, the highest ever for this time of year.

Yipes. I was just wondering about that. Are we at an all-time high for this time of year? It sounds like it.

I'm glad my commute to work is only 2.5 miles round trip. I only need to gas up about once ever five or six weeks now.
 

Doppel

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Bolded and quoted bold faced lies.

America is using less gasoline than in 2001.

Real Americans have switched to more fuel efficient cars.

The only assholes driving gas guzzlers are the rich that don't give a shit.

The number one export for the United States is GASOLINE.
Please actually point out where I told a lie, otherwise GTFO.
 

dmcowen674

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10-6-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-gas-prices-hit-time-high-180809125.html

Calif. gas prices hit all-time high



The price of gasoline hit an all-time average high in California of $4.6140 a gallon Saturday, fueled by a reduced supply and a volatile market.


Saturday's price was the highest in the nation, with the Golden State leapfrogging Hawaii this week as the state with the most expensive fuel.


The price of diesel has also increased, adding significant costs for truckers who typically put hundreds of dollars of fuel in their tanks. It's gotten so bad, some truckers may stop driving altogether, said Michael Shaw, spokesman for the California Trucking Association, whose members move 80 percent of the cargo on California's roads each year.
 

DucatiMonster696

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http://news.yahoo.com/calif-gas-prices-hit-time-high-180809125.html

Calif. gas prices hit all-time high



The price of gasoline hit an all-time average high in California of $4.6140 a gallon Saturday, fueled by a reduced supply and a volatile market.


Saturday's price was the highest in the nation, with the Golden State leapfrogging Hawaii this week as the state with the most expensive fuel.


The price of diesel has also increased, adding significant costs for truckers who typically put hundreds of dollars of fuel in their tanks. It's gotten so bad, some truckers may stop driving altogether, said Michael Shaw, spokesman for the California Trucking Association, whose members move 80 percent of the cargo on California's roads each year.


California is practically its own closed market due to the state requirements which force refineries in the state to produce a "special" blend of gas to be sold in the state. This means that CA cannot ship in gas from other states to alleviate shortages which arise for various reasons. The current issues effecting Ca are strictly a result of the closed market environment forced upon refineries in California, gas station owners in California and gasoline consumers in the state of California and do not relate to the national trend on gas prices in other states.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Gas-prices-skyrocket-in-California-3924254.php


Gas prices skyrocket in California

David R. Baker
Updated 5:23 a.m., Saturday, October 6, 2012
This week's abrupt spike in California gasoline prices could peak within days, analysts said Friday. But
before it does, price records could be broken throughout the state.

California's average for a gallon of regular jumped 17 cents overnight to hit $4.49 Friday morning,
according to the AAA auto club's daily price survey. That's 12 cents shy of the state's all-time record, set in
June 2008, right before the financial crisis sent oil and gas prices plunging. A week ago, the state average
stood at $4.13.

San Francisco's average soared 36 cents this week, reaching $4.60 on Friday. The city's record average
price? $4.62, also set in June 2008.

The run-up at the pump started Monday, after a power failure struck an Exxon Mobil refinery in Los
Angeles County. That refinery, in Torrance, resumed full production Friday, leading analysts to predict
that the price rise would soon run its course.

"It'll take a few days, but seven days from now we should be seeing some nice declines," said Patrick
DeHaan, senior petroleum analyst for Gasbuddy.com. First, however, drivers can expect a little more pain.

Tiffany Cabrales spent $76 Friday filling up her Acura Integra at a San Francisco station charging $4.76
for regular."I almost had a heart attack," she said, pointing at the pump. "For $10 you barely get 2 gallons now.
It's crazy." But Cabrales, 29, has to drive for work. A freelance cosmetologist, she serves clients scattered throughout
the Bay Area. She fills up at least three times a week. "It is what it is," Cabrales shrugged. "I have to pay it."

Calendar's off

The price increase struck at a time of year drivers usually find themselves paying less for fuel, not more.
Gas prices typically peak in the summer and drop after Labor Day, as vacation season draws to a close.
That's happening in many states right now.

But in California, gasoline supplies have been unusually tight in recent months. On Aug. 6, a fire swept
through Chevron's Richmond refinery, seriously damaging the plant's main unit for processing crude oil.
Monday's power outage at the Torrance refinery shut down some of the plant's units and slowed others.
At the same time, two other California refineries were cutting production for planned maintenance.
And all the state's refineries were preparing to switch the type of fuel they make refineries to sell a special
pollution-fighting gasoline blend during summer months. They switch to the winter blend at the start of November.

Exxon's Torrance refinery makes about 10 percent of the state's gasoline. So when the power outage
struck, traders in the wholesale gasoline market started bidding up prices. In the Bay Area, prices on the
wholesale spot market rose from $3.64 per gallon Monday to $4.34 Thursday. With the refinery's return
on Friday, the spot price for gas fell back to $3.68.

Sudden changes in the spot market, where people buy large amounts of gas for immediate delivery,
usually take several days to filter through to the retail level. So drivers can probably expect a few more
days of increases. "It's not instantaneous," said Gordon Schremp, senior analyst with the California Energy Commission.
"Consumers shouldn't expect to see prices fall overnight."


Supply contracts

The price spike hit Southern California hardest. Exxon jumped into the spot market this week to buy up
enough fuel to fulfill all of its supply contracts. Valero stopped selling to independent stations that didn't
already have supply contracts with the company. Gasoline distributors and independent stations that rely
heavily on the spot market had a hard time buying gas at a price they and their customers could afford.
Some stations shut down, choosing to wait out the spike rather than sell gasoline at a loss.

Other stations in the Los Angeles area were charging more than $5 Friday.Costco stores in Southern California had trouble
simply finding enough fuel, said Richard Galanti, the company's chief financial officer.

"We couldn't get supply, and the prices went all crazy too," he said. By mid-week , 15 of the discount
retailer's Los Angeles area stores stopped selling gasoline But six of those started selling again on Friday,
with the rest expected to follow on Saturday, Galanti said.

None of Costco's Northern California stores stopped selling gas. Mark Mitchell, co-owner of the Coast Oil
fuel distributorship in San Jose, said that none of the gas stations he serves had shut down, although some
station owners had discussed it. When spot prices hit their peak on Thursday, the stations would have needed
to charge about $4.89 to break even, he said. "We get the gas - it's just at what price?" Mitchell said. "You're not
going to sell much when it goes up 40 cents in a day."

Isolated market

The sudden jump in prices served as yet another reminder of the strange, isolated nature of California's
gasoline market. Although many states use special fuel blends to fight air pollution, none uses the exact
same blends as California. As a result, California relies on a small number of refineries - most of them
located within the state - to make its fuel. If problems hobble several of those refineries at once, the state
can't easily import gasoline from elsewhere.


California refineries try to maintain a close balance between supply and demand. Their profits have suffered in
recent years because Californians have been buying less gasoline, with sales peaking in
2005. Many refineries export gasoline to other countries rather than let supplies build up here.
In July, the most recent month for which figures are available, West Coast refineries exported 1.4 million
barrels of finished gasoline, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. That infuriates
consumer advocates, who consider price spikes the inevitable result.


"No one is telling the refineries to keep enough supply on hand," said Liza Tucker, with the nonprofit
group Consumer Watchdog.

David R. Baker is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: dbaker@sfchronicle.com

The reason for the recent spike in gas in Ca are due to the following:

1.) A refinery which suffered a serious prolonged power outage near Los Angeles.

2.) 2 refineries undergoing scheduled maintenance which reduces their output.

3.) The reduce output from the CA, Richmond plant which was damage in a fire not too long ago.

4.) The decrease use of gas by Ca drivers due to increase numbers of hybrids has caused refineries to produce gas for overseas and out of state purchasers of gas and thus they maintain a lower stock of Ca blend gasoline on hand.

Furthermore the Ca "special" blend of gasoline for summer use is still being sold off and refineries are still in the process of producing the winter blend so the gasoline being sold is the leftover summertime gasoline. All of these factors resulted in significantly reduced stocks of Ca blend gasoline and caused traders/buyers (gas stations owners and brokers) of gas in the state to quickly bid up the price of the limited supply of the summer time blend of gas in the state.

You are now free to resume watching the previously broadcast hysterics of dmcowen "chicken little".

Edit: Gas prices are predicted to stabilize and then dip back down in about 1-2 weeks once the issues with the state refineries are sorted out.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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Fire at Exxon Baytown was in the Diesel hydrotreater so it only affects the production of low sulfur diesel. Gas production is in normal operation. Gas $0.04/gal less than it was 3 days ago.

I'm back in the refinery and ready for another productive day. Steam turbine almost complete and compressor should be closs by the time I get off at 6 this evening.
 

dmcowen674

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The decrease use of gas by Ca drivers due to increase numbers of hybrids has caused refineries to produce gas for overseas and out of state purchasers of gas and thus they maintain a lower stock of Ca blend gasoline on hand.


You are now free to resume watching the previously broadcast hysterics of dmcowen "chicken little".

The oil thugs having less on hand for domestic use should not be a reward in higher prices for Americans period.

Americans should take over the thugs.

If they don't then Americans deserve to pay $100 a gallon or more.
 

dmcowen674

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10-7-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-gasoline-prices-hit-time-high-twice-110620716--finance.html

Calif. gasoline prices hit all-time high - twice



Gasoline prices in California rose to another all-time high on Sunday after passing a four-year high a day earlier, according to AAA.


The four-cent-per-gallon jump Sunday was even bigger than Saturday's jump


AAA reported in its latest update on Sunday that the statewide average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline is $4.655. Saturday's average of $4.6140 was the highest since June 19, 2008, when it was $4.6096.

Sunday's price, like Saturday's, was the highest in the nation

Californians are paying 24 cents per gallon more than motorists in Hawaii, according to the AAA report. In some locations, fuming motorists paid $5 or more per gallon while station owners had to shut down pumps in others.
 

Abwx

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Poor Californians, paying the price for using gas blends no other state requires.

I paid $3.32/gal this morning.

At this price you have quite a big margin left.

How is it that US people are complaining while prices are about half
of the Europeans ones ..??..
 

Engineer

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At this price you have quite a big margin left.

How is it that US people are complaining while prices are about half
of the Europeans ones ..??..

Because Europe taxes the living crap out of gas, that's why. Nothing to do with fundamental prices.
 

Londo_Jowo

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At this price you have quite a big margin left.

How is it that US people are complaining while prices are about half
of the Europeans ones ..??..

I have no clue. Guess they've never traveled outside the US. When I worked in Venezuela several years ago the price of premium gas was $0.19/gal. I can remember when it was that price in the US. When I started driving it was $0.28/gal for premium.
 

Engineer

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I have no clue. Guess they've never traveled outside the US. When I worked in Venezuela several years ago the price of premium gas was $0.19/gal. I can remember when it was that price in the US. When I started driving it was $0.28/gal for premium.

Did they even make premium when it was $0.28? I thought it was "Leaded" only then?

As for price, it was as low as $0.49 per gallon regular in the late 90's (97 or 98). Oil bottomed at $10.25 per barrel.
 

Abwx

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Because Europe taxes the living crap out of gas, that's why. Nothing to do with fundamental prices.

Of course but US average purchasing power is not lower than
its european counterparts.


I have no clue. Guess they've never traveled outside the US. When I worked in Venezuela several years ago the price of premium gas was $0.19/gal. I can remember when it was that price in the US. When I started driving it was $0.28/gal for premium.


There s some truth as people get used to what appears
as being our times prices no matter productions costs..

Indeed , i get with my car to my native country Algeria last winter
where diesel is about 0.5$/gallon and gas at 0.70$.
At a gas station i said to the guy to load it completely,
hell , at some times i saw the liquid overboarding
at wich point the guy looked to me and said that
he couldnt put more in the tank....

Of course , back in Europe i was full of some kind of
injustice feeling when going to gas stations....