Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.
Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]
Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]
Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]
Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]
Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]
Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]
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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things
How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.
your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?
I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?
by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.
What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.
taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.
Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?
between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?
Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.
Ah, so it is a matter of conscience. Now tell me what that is. Why does one person with a conscience kill and another does not? Is one lacking in conscience or just not listening? How do we know when our conscience is right? I often see the last cookie in a jar as my birth right but having eaten it begin to wonder. What is going on?
Have you begun to see that perhaps you do not know?
Even though the knowledge of what is right and wrong is within all, that conscience can be ignored (free will).
Thus the needs for an absolute.
thou shalt not kill (old testament)
Love thy neighbor as thyself(new testament)
Left to our own with relative values every man will do what is right in his own eyes.
let me also freely admit, not all christians are Mother Teresa, nor all muslums Abu Usamah .
each person is on thier own journey in different places and will give account some day for thier actions be they good or evil.
A christian is not perfect , he is merely forgiven.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Your right in and of myself, I know nothing.
the wisdom is not mine it is Gods.
Do you begin to see you know even less?
I can't pretend to be able to answer every question that you have in a way that is meaningful to you individually, but I can point to one who can.
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luke 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father,will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
I would not even want to convince you to be a convert through debate.
truth must be found on your own. I cannot seek for you.
Ah, absolutes built on the Christian faith. So truth just depends on having been brought up as a Christian. And the absolute is what is in a text.
I always found it odd that those brought up in one culture think of absolutes in one way and those in another another. I sough and I sought and I sought to find something deeper than that. How can what is the Good just happen to be what those who raised us believe and not what those people over there believe. Surely when you see how ridiculous what others believe is, you have to apply that to yourself. And suppose, for example, that you lose faith in your God. Are we going to see you running berserk tomorrow in the streets?
How can the absolute have anything to do with religious faith since there are hundreds and hundreds of them?
