Got Faith?

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
You should read into the details of why we need new flu shots every year, or why bacteria develop antibiotic resistance. I think it would surprise you to learn that most of the time, this "evolutionary step" results in the loss of a function in the organism.

Umm... Influenza is a family of viruses, not bacteria. No cells. No cellular functions to lose. Either the new strains or mutations survive and multiply, or they don't.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

 

[DealMonkey]

Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

:roll::laugh:
You don't believe in a God.
your the one out of 10,.
I get it and that is your choice , it is called free will.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

Well the main difference between Muslims and Christians is that most Christians are mainly one day a week followers.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

:roll::laugh:
You don't believe in a God.
your the one out of 10,.
I get it and that is your choice , it is called free will.

Am I wrong? Do Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell and must be saved (i.e. converted)? I'd love for you to correct me.

As for the rest of your statement, I have no idea if there's a God or not. I've not seen anything to prove anything either way.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

:roll::laugh:
You don't believe in a God.
your the one out of 10,.
I get it and that is your choice , it is called free will.

Am I wrong? Do Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell and must be saved (i.e. converted)? I'd love for you to correct me.

As for the rest of your statement, I have no idea if there's a God or not. I've not seen anything to prove anything either way.

the correction is in the part you added on to make Christians sound like Islamo facists.

quote:
...and must be converted by any means possible

as to your having no idea at this time wether God exists, that merely is where you are in life at this time.
That is completely normal, you know I wasn't born a Christian.
You are completely free to believe or not believe your conversion or non-conversion is between you and your maker.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: johnnobts
most of you are confused about the matter of evolutionary theory being just that, a theory.

This point gets brought up in every single thread about evolution vs. ID and it gets shot down time and time again. Do you people learn?

If they were capable of learning, they wouldn't be on that side of the argument in the first place.

I honestly don't think it's an inability to learn. Strangely enough, I run into some seemingly bright people that will deny evolution. I think what happens is that they cease to learn certain concepts past a certain age, shut themselves off from certain subject matter and choose not to engage their beliefs or conflicting ideas rationally, or simply hold certain persons to be authorities on the subject when they are far from it...

Honestly, I don't give a ****** what this person (or those like him) chooses to think (Sad to be a part of a country where you see numbers like this, though...). It becomes a real problem, however, when such people fell that these beliefs are a necessary part of education. Believe what you want, but don't for a second think that my children, or anyone else's children, should be exposed to that crap simply because you think you're right....

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
most of you are confused about the matter of evolutionary theory being just that, a theory.

Kinda like the bible story uh...errr. Theory?

 

[Lemon law]

The dilemma for the believer in God is that they can create God in their own image, But God as an entity seems oddly inscruitable. But God somehow gets around the what created life question because no one seems to ask the question of what created God? And I have always found that various religions create huge bodies of work regarding what human behaviors
God favors without demonstrating any consistent pattern of Godly intervention in our lives. Why, depending on where you stand, has not God struck down Ossama Bin Laden, or GWB, or any of a large cast of socially destructive villians. And the heck with fatally smite, I'll settle for God visiting slight pain on some everytime they want to be mean spirited or unreasonable. And when events kick us in the face, there is always some that say that God moves in mysterious ways. Yet when some natural event occurs that has great significance, perhaps like an earth quake knocking down the walls of Jerico, or some great wind that wrecks an naval invasion fleet, there is always some that will say God done it.---and God is smart to be on our side---we da chosen peeps.

But at least the philosophers have an answer if the theologians don't---the clockmaker God---who started the Universe--set up life---set up the natural laws---wound up the clock--and now watches his creation go on without any intervention.---but the damn thing wrong with that one---is how do you put the fear of God into anyone if you buy that explanation?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Corky
By your own measure Evolution is not a valid theory either unless we can test it and repeat it if necessary.

But we can, and have, and continue to test and repeat evolution all the time.

Both theories of life on earth are possible although obviously the theories can't be literally interpreted.

Creationism is not a theory. At best, it is an expository narrative.

If we take literal interpretations on Creationism we hear stupid stuff about the bible and if we take literal interpretations of Evolution theory then every puddle of pond scum has the ability to evolve into a human which is obviously not correct either.

That isn't what the theory of evolution stipulates.

Life exists on this planet but no one can say for sure exactly how it got here because the fossil record has more than a couple of holes in it.

Evolution does not attempt to say how life originated. You would do well to learn about the theory before you criticize it and reject it.

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: BrownTown
As for evolution, the thing people need to understand about that is that it isn't just some wild untestable theory, it happens every year and is easily observable.

Yes, but the portion of the theory of evolution that is debated is not observed... that is, the creation of new genetic information by natural processes.

No, you are wrong, according to both Shannon and Kolmogorov/Chaitin information theories.

Tell me, when you used the term "information" in your claim above, how did you define it? Do you even understand how it is measured?

So personally, I have reasons to not accept the theory of evolution, both religious and scientific. And I do not consider myself ignorant or unintelligent because of this.

There are no valid scientific reasons to reject the theory of evolution. If there were, certainly a Nobel Prize would await the first person to publish them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

 

[Lemon law]

It may not be so much a matter that I'm far out, but rather that you have never been anywhere.

But thats the other Philosophical muse---only I know that I exist---I think therefore I am---and it may not be a matter of thinking you are far out---but a matter that both of you simply don't exist.---and God is just deceiving me about LunarRay.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Corky
By your own measure Evolution is not a valid theory either unless we can test it and repeat it if necessary.

But we can, and have, and continue to test and repeat evolution all the time.

Both theories of life on earth are possible although obviously the theories can't be literally interpreted.

Creationism is not a theory. At best, it is an expository narrative.

If we take literal interpretations on Creationism we hear stupid stuff about the bible and if we take literal interpretations of Evolution theory then every puddle of pond scum has the ability to evolve into a human which is obviously not correct either.

That isn't what the theory of evolution stipulates.

Life exists on this planet but no one can say for sure exactly how it got here because the fossil record has more than a couple of holes in it.

Evolution does not attempt to say how life originated. You would do well to learn about the theory before you criticize it and reject it.

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: BrownTown
As for evolution, the thing people need to understand about that is that it isn't just some wild untestable theory, it happens every year and is easily observable.

Yes, but the portion of the theory of evolution that is debated is not observed... that is, the creation of new genetic information by natural processes.

No, you are wrong, according to both Shannon and Kolmogorov/Chaitin information theories.

Tell me, when you used the term "information" in your claim above, how did you define it? Do you even understand how it is measured?

So personally, I have reasons to not accept the theory of evolution, both religious and scientific. And I do not consider myself ignorant or unintelligent because of this.

There are no valid scientific reasons to reject the theory of evolution. If there were, certainly a Nobel Prize would await the first person to publish them.

OWNED








On a more serious note, please read more about evolution before you guys actually try to disprove it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
Text

whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

Text

they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
most of you are confused about the matter of evolutionary theory being just that, a theory.

I guess you don't believe in gravity, either.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
Text

whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?

between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?
Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Believe in God all you want, but geeze ...

...nearly half reject the theory of evolution.

The ignorant are apparently proud of their ignorance!

How are they any different than those who think if they blow themselves up in some fancy Jihad they will wind up with 72 virgins?

Both are indoctrinated, one for peace loving in following Jesus, the other to convert or kill in following Mohamed. Only one is at war against us, but both believe in fighting to defend yourself from a threat.

The difference is clear.

You really don't know anything about Islam.

Or Christianity for that matter. Christianity is not about loving jesus, its about the sermon on the mount.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Religious indoctrination is the same all over, regardless of the religion itself. The only difference is the specific ideology you are told to believe and thus you believe it. The process is the same. The Muslims are taught that non-Muslims are infidels and not to be trusted and Christians are taught that non-Christians are going to hell and must be converted by any means possible.

:roll::laugh:
You don't believe in a God.
your the one out of 10,.
I get it and that is your choice , it is called free will.

Many forms of Christianity do not believe in free will.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?

between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?
Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.

There is no team in me.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.

The problem is that everybody that claims 'commonality' with Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu are often nothing of the sort. As is the case with most of the people that claim they follow the teachings of Jesus.

Many of the same people claiming to care about the hungry or defenseless would rather spend hundreds of billions on weapons of warfare than spend 0.1% of that amount on actual humanitarian endeavors. The problem isn't faith in the message delivered by Moses, Jesus, of Mohammed. It's all that BS made up by believers.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than to make most internally inconsistent religious blather make sense.

Then these people (particularly Christians and Muslims) have the nerve to impose their arse backwards ideas on others. Not to leave the Jews out . . . does anybody else claim that God gave them land? Admittedly, it certainly is nice that Christians stopped 'conversion by the sword' over 700 years ago. Too bad their New World offspring decided to downgrade other humans from just being 'nonbelievers' to being property.:frown:

For every Mother Teresa there's a gaggle of Thomas Dixon.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?

between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?
Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.

Ah, so it is a matter of conscience. Now tell me what that is. Why does one person with a conscience kill and another does not? Is one lacking in conscience or just not listening? How do we know when our conscience is right? I often see the last cookie in a jar as my birth right but having eaten it begin to wonder. What is going on?

Have you begun to see that perhaps you do not know?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
well its hard to believe that one would have to spell it out for you moonie.
Mother Teresa basically spent her life loving and careing for the unloved.
Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation which would become the Missionaries of Charity.[14] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine
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whereas the other desires only to spread hate and murder.

Radical Preachings
In January 2007, Usamah was filmed by the Channel 4 documentary programme Dispatches in their investigation titled Undercover Mosque. Some of his preaching that was secretly filmed included a number of anti-Western, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-American, anti-Christian, and other controversial sentiments.[1][2]

Abu Usamah has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars."[1]

Abu Usamah stated that Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state. He says that apostates of islam should be killed.[3]

Regarding women, he said, "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."[1]

Abu Usamah said, "No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar."[1]

Abu Usamah stated in defense that the documentary had quoted him "out of context."[4]

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they were/are both "RELIGIOUS" but stand for 2 very opposite things

How are they opposite when each believes their individual interpretations are right? Both are dedicated to the God of their understanding.

your just being obtuse now.
If there are no absolutes or laws in the universe, no right no wrong, no good no evil, no truth no lies,no up no down, no in no out if everything is relative to your own understanding then civilization itself would dissapear.

If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?

I am being obtuse because you are being diffuse. What you have in common with your two examples is a belief that you know the absolute. But in this battle between all these different yet absolute truths, how do I know who is right and how do you. The difference between you and me, it seems to me, is that I open myself to questions whereas you are certain you know. What I know about the certain is that they look to me to be insane. They believe without doubt at all. Everything is obviously absolute and no two absolutes are the same. What you do not tell me is why you believe what you believe. Why is your good the good?

by posting a reply on andantech and not disappearing you have disproved your own philosophy.

What philosophy. I have asked you questions and shown your answers answer nothing at all in my opinion.

taken from above the only need according to you for something to be true or false or good or bad is for that to be someones understanding of what is true or good or bad or false.
therefore I stated:
If I believe your an hallucination of someones drunken stupor and that you will go away to never post on andantech again does my relative understanding make it truth?[/Q]
since you posted and didn't go away my relative understanding had no basis in reality/truth or life.
Ones opinion is never influenced when ones mind is already settled. therefore why are we playing ping pong...Your serve.

Hehe, no. What I said was that since both believe their ideas to be the Will of God, how are we going to distinguish one faith from the other? I did not say the two beliefs are equivalent, I asked you to tell me how to tell them apart since each of the two is equally self convinced and your opinion looks just the same to me. You are asking me to believe a two to one vote based on nothing but belief, no? How is a person to know what really is the GOOD, when everybody believes that what they believe is good and everybody believes something different? I did not say there is no absolute truth; I just asked you what it is and how will I know?

between feeding a hungry child and advocating murder of non muslums (kufars) confuses you as to which is good and which is bad?
Your conscience itself tells you which is good and which is bad. therefore it is a third witness .
I am however glad to hear you recognize the concept of absolutes.

Ah, so it is a matter of conscience. Now tell me what that is. Why does one person with a conscience kill and another does not? Is one lacking in conscience or just not listening? How do we know when our conscience is right? I often see the last cookie in a jar as my birth right but having eaten it begin to wonder. What is going on?

Have you begun to see that perhaps you do not know?

Even though the knowledge of what is right and wrong is within all, that conscience can be ignored (free will).
Thus the needs for an absolute.
thou shalt not kill (old testament)
Love thy neighbor as thyself(new testament)

Left to our own with relative values every man will do what is right in his own eyes.

let me also freely admit, not all christians are Mother Teresa, nor all muslums Abu Usamah .
each person is on thier own journey in different places and will give account some day for thier actions be they good or evil.
A christian is not perfect , he is merely forgiven.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Your right in and of myself, I know nothing.
the wisdom is not mine it is Gods.
Do you begin to see you know even less?
I can't pretend to be able to answer every question that you have in a way that is meaningful to you individually, but I can point to one who can.


Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.



Luke 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father,will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

I would not even want to convince you to be a convert through debate.
truth must be found on your own. I cannot seek for you.