GOP senators pledge to block all bills until Bush tax cuts extended

[umbrella39]

Our Nation can't get much more destructed than GWB and the Rebubs left it a couple of years ago.

Can we count the ways?

1. 2 Wars.
2. $trillion+ deficit
3. Worst Recession in 80 years.
4. Massive unemployment.
5. Huge increase in size of government over 8 years.

Maybe you could better define "destruction of our nation" for us.

Nonsense, as far as Spidey and the dipshit crew is concerned, these are ALL Obama and the Dems fault. Their revisionist history is laughable...

EDIT: /shocked at the loud CRICKETS and lack of response to wirelesseneableds post from the liar.

 

[theeedude]

The bush tax cuts helped the middle class the most. Notice how the dems are focusing only on rates and not all the other goodies that helped the middle class more than just tax rates.

Yeah, middle class is in great shape with all the great prosperity brought on by Bush's economic plan.

 

[spacejamz]

That's the main problem today selfish and short sightedness IMO.

If being against policies that take my hard earned tax dollars and give them to people who make bad life decisions and would rather be on welfare than actually go out and get a job/have kids they cannot afford/come into this country illegally makes me selfish and short sighted, than so be it...

 

[Double Trouble]

I'm sure the Republicans thought the same thing in 1994 before the government shutdown. How did that work out for them?

The situation was actually the reverse in 1994, the repubs had to explain why they shut things down then. This time, it will be the dems who have to explain to angry voters why taxes went up. The public has neither the patience nor inclination to understand the details, they just know their taxes went up, and they will blame whoever is "in power" ie, Obama & dems.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yeah, middle class is in great shape with all the great prosperity brought on by Bush's economic plan.

Thank God for Obama...the true champion for the middle class!!!

 

[Ldir]

Are you smoking crack? It is the dems wanting to raise taxes that is the hold up. Keep the tax rates permanent along with all the other GREAT provisions (bigger child tax credit, no marriage penalty, low cap gains), watch the economy take off.

Dems have been holding them hostage for over a year and the economy limps along. It's december for christ sakes, this could have been taken care of if the dems just decided "hey, we don't want taxes to go up"

But they didn't. They said "we want taxes to go up" and it is shown by their inaction and marxist class warfare posturing. It is VERY apparent Obama doesn't want this country to succeed or recover. American exceptionalism is his enemy.

Your crack is safe. You don't have to share with me.

You are in denial. We have low taxes today and the economy failed anyway. It is still limping because it takes a long time to climb out of such a deep hole, a hole was caused by your heroes, starting with Reagan and aggravated by Dub. You're too clueless to see it. You blame Democrats for everything because it's the only thing you know how to do.

The Democrats want to keep taxes low for 98% of Americans. The Republicans won't let them. That's a fact. The Republicans would rather raise taxes for all Americans than compromise with their enemies the Democrats. The Republicans don't care about the 98%. They don't care about tools like you. They only care about the very top multilillionaires, the ultra elite .01%.

 

[spacejamz]

Thank God for Obama...the true champion for the middle class!!!

[Obama]Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year, which includes a 98 percent of small-business owners, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan.

Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class!

You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime.[/Obama]

 

[Zebo]

If being against policies that take my hard earned tax dollars and give them to people who make bad life decisions and would rather be on welfare than actually go out and get a job/have kids they cannot afford/come into this country illegally makes me selfish and short sighted, than so be it...

I'm not into welfare so I can't defend it. But every successful society has redistribution and tries to prevent monopoly on capital. Whether it's SBA loans, FHA, higher education, building infrastructure whatever. Back in Eisenhower days your taxes would have been almost nothing. But once you made over 3.7 million whooo neeely 92%!

 

[PokerGuy]

[Obama]Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year, which includes a 98 percent of small-business owners, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan.

Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class!

You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime.[/Obama]

"Read my lips" all over again

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your crack is safe. You don't have to share with me.

You are in denial. We have low taxes today and the economy failed anyway. It is still limping because it takes a long time to climb out of such a deep hole, a hole was caused by your heroes, starting with Reagan and aggravated by Dub. You're too clueless to see it. You blame Democrats for everything because it's the only thing you know how to do.

The Democrats want to keep taxes low for 98% of Americans. The Republicans won't let them. That's a fact. The Republicans would rather raise taxes for all Americans than compromise with their enemies the Democrats. The Republicans don't care about the 98%. They don't care about tools like you. They only care about the very top multilillionaires, the ultra elite .01%.

The bulk of the tax benefits for the rich didn't start taking effect until the last 2 years when Dems have had control of both the Executive and Legislative branches. Now we hear all this 2008 campaign rhetoric again about the top 1% and I'm going "WTF"...they had 2 years to fix it and did nothing.

The top 1% have incomes greater than $2.2mm. Yet Dems want the threshold lowered well below $2.2mm to $250k where the mid-to-upper middle class and small businesses are greatly impacted. Somebody who can keep a straight face...please tell me again how Dems love the middle class and how Reps want to destroy it. I love fairy tales.

 

[Ldir]

The bulk of the tax benefits for the rich didn't start taking effect until the last 2 years when Dems have had control of both the Executive and Legislative branches. Now we hear all this 2008 campaign rhetoric again about the top 1% and I'm going "WTF"...they had 2 years to fix it and did nothing.

The top 1% have incomes greater than $2.2mm. Yet Dems want the threshold lowered well below $2.2mm to $250k where the mid-to-upper middle class and small businesses are greatly impacted. Somebody who can keep a straight face...please tell me again how Dems love the middle class and how Reps want to destroy it. I love fairy tales.

Above $250k is not middle class. The top of the upper middle class maybe. The rich definitely.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Above $250k is not middle class. The top of the upper middle class maybe. The rich definitely.

No wonder Rangel tried to hide his extra income.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Above $250k is not middle class. The top of the upper middle class maybe. The rich definitely.

You just want to split hairs on what constitutes "middle class"? Seriously.

Why have the Dems done nothing when they had a chance the last 2 years to fix the top 1% problem? Why is this no longer about the top 1% anymore? Why don't you even mention the number of small businesses that would be affected?

 

[Ldir]

You just want to split hairs on what constitutes "middle class"? Seriously.

Why have the Dems done nothing when they had a chance the last 2 years to fix the top 1% problem? Why is this no longer about the top 1% anymore? Why don't you even mention the number of small businesses that would be affected?

I am not splitting hairs at all. I am dismissing meaningless noise. It is a distraction from real issues. It is a modest increase in the top marginal rate. It has little real impact on the upper middle class and small businesses who are barely into the top bracket. It will mostly affect the top 1% who have millions above the top bracket. They have benefited the most from 30 years of Republican policies. They can most afford to pay some of it back.

 

[spidey07]

I am not splitting hairs at all. I am dismissing meaningless noise. It is a distraction from real issues. It is a modest increase in the top marginal rate. It has little real impact on the upper middle class and small businesses who are barely into the top bracket. It will mostly affect the top 1% who have millions above the top bracket. They have benefited the most from 30 years of Republican policies. They can most afford to pay some of it back.

Ah yes, the class warfare of "they need to pay their fair share". And by fair you mean much higher than everyone else, they can afford it right?

People with principles and integrity who believe stealing somebody's money is wrong in the first place REJECT this kind of thinking.

 

[Craig234]

You aren't going to convince the conservatives. Even after they destroy the middle class, they'll still be pushing the same policies.

You're exactly right. In the worst countries in history in terms of a few rich owning everything and everyone else being virtual impoverished slaves, you had the same arguments being made about the same issues. Today I was just reading about some history in the late 19th century, when the heads of European states (think 'Czar') were telling one another about the terrible and immoral push for the public to have more power coming from the 'new world' (that's the US) than endangered them.

At the height of the robber baron era in the US with slums, child labor, people working 16 hour days six days a week in unsafe condition, you had the same arguments.

There is no limit to how far the right would push the society into oligarchy step by step.

This is why the anecdote of a man telling Bush he was disappointed in him and hoped he was not re-elected had Bush smile for the cameras but lean in and say so just he could hear, "Who cares what you think?" was so provoking to people, because it reflected the whole 'the public has no power' situation the right leads to.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I am not splitting hairs at all. I am dismissing meaningless noise. It is a distraction from real issues. It is a modest increase in the top marginal rate. It has little real impact on the upper middle class and small businesses who are barely into the top bracket. It will mostly affect the top 1% who have millions above the top bracket. They have benefited the most from 30 years of Republican policies. They can most afford to pay some of it back.

So...let me get this straight...it's "meaningless noise" that the Dems have done absolutely nothing the past 2 years about a problem they screamed about for many years, and "meaningless noise" that it's no longer about the top 1% anymore. Really? Wow.

You know something, Dems have also been responsilbe for many policies affecting our economy over the past 30 years....or is that also "meaningless noise" in your world?

 

[Ldir]

Ah yes, the class warfare of "they need to pay their fair share". And by fair you mean much higher than everyone else, they can afford it right?

People with principles and integrity who believe stealing somebody's money is wrong in the first place REJECT this kind of thinking.

Fiscally responsible people believe in paying their bills and support this kind of thinking. But you're not only a Republican but a tea party Republican, so I am sure you have no idea what that means.

 

[Ldir]

So...let me get this straight...it's "meaningless noise" that the Dems have done absolutely nothing the past 2 years about a problem they screamed about for many years, and "meaningless noise" that it's no longer about the top 1% anymore. Really? Wow.

You know something, Dems have also been responsilbe for many policies affecting our economy over the past 30 years....or is that also "meaningless noise" in your world?

I like the way you keep ignoring the point.

 

[Craig234]

So...let me get this straight...it's "meaningless noise" that the Dems have done absolutely nothing the past 2 years about a problem they screamed about for many years, and "meaningless noise" that it's no longer about the top 1% anymore. Really? Wow.

You know something, Dems have also been responsilbe for many policies affecting our economy over the past 30 years....or is that also "meaningless noise" in your world?

If you weren't so busy trying for a 'gotcha' line, you could hear that liberals would say that Dems have had policies affecting the economy, some good some bad.

But Republicans have virtually no 'good' policies, and all the 'bad' Dem ones have had Republicans behind them, that I recall, e.g., financial industry deregulation.

The overwhelming policy for 30 years has been Republican and disastrous.

So, ya to your point, but you miss the point that the Dems are much 'less bad'.

 

[PokerGuy]

Fiscally responsible people believe in paying their bills and support this kind of thinking.

Fiscally responsible in your world means "jack up taxes on everyone and spend more money!". No wonder you're such a confused individual.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I like the way you keep ignoring the point.

And what point is that? That you think additional taxing of the top 3% is acceptable as it will, in your opinion, mostly affect only the top 1%? Using this rationale, we could say the same for the top 10%, 20%, or 50% for that matter couldn't we? Or is your point that "Republican policies" are the blame for everything wrong with our economy and the Dems have been helpless victims for the last 30 years?

I am responding directly to the points you made and asking that you defend them...I'm not ignoring them. You sir are the one ignoring my points.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If you weren't so busy trying for a 'gotcha' line, you could hear that liberals would say that Dems have had policies affecting the economy, some good some bad.

But Republicans have virtually no 'good' policies, and all the 'bad' Dem ones have had Republicans behind them, that I recall, e.g., financial industry deregulation.

The overwhelming policy for 30 years has been Republican and disastrous.

So, ya to your point, but you miss the point that the Dems are much 'less bad'.

I disagree...they both suck. The repeal of Glass Steagall was disastrous and both parties played a role.

 

[Acanthus]

[Obama]Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year, which includes a 98 percent of small-business owners, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan.

Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class!

You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime.[/Obama]

And he doesn't want to raise taxes still. It is not part of his plan.

Republicans holding things hostage for the rich was probably not in the contingencies either.

 

[KGB]

The bush tax cuts helped the middle class the most. Notice how the dems are focusing only on rates and not all the other goodies that helped the middle class more than just tax rates.

What version of reality do you subscribe to?