GOP senators pledge to block all bills until Bush tax cuts extended

[IBMer]

Umm, HELLO! Did you not see what happened in November? I TOLD you it was coming. The Obama and liberal agenda proves it's failure over and over and over again. The experiment yields the same results.

No, I don't use We The People as you say. I feel just fine. I am the will of this nation and am much more involved in voting than any on this board. What have you done?

It was funny, I ran into a cashier I spoke to more than a month before the election. I asked her then "You happy with what Obama is doing?" Her answer was "No, I voted for him, but not this". Are you ready to stop him? "Yes she answered". "are you talking to you friends and family to help stop him?"

After the election she said "Thank you! I spoke to all my friends and they felt the same way, stop Obama, stop this nonsense"

I did this maybe 200 times, talking to strangers, getting motivated. Let alone my co-workers. No, We The People REJECT this presidency. You are clueless at just how much he is hated.

The Obama Economy fails, this president is a complete and utter failure. Fuck Obama.

If it was the will of the people why did they win by so little? Oh wait you don't believe in reality, continue on.

 

[wirelessenabled]

They don't have the numbers or support in the house to pass such a bill.

The Demoncrats don't have to pass anything. Taxes go up automagically if a bill is not passed to continue them. The Demons just have to show that it is the Rubublicans fault.

Seems easy to me. Put the under $250K tax break bill out there and let McConnell and Boehner shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Yes, that was his "compromise" and conservatives still hammer him about it.

We don't want compromise from Obama and dems, we want them stopped dead in their agenda and destruction of our nation.

Our Nation can't get much more destructed than GWB and the Rebubs left it a couple of years ago.

Can we count the ways?

1. 2 Wars.
2. $trillion+ deficit
3. Worst Recession in 80 years.
4. Massive unemployment.
5. Huge increase in size of government over 8 years.

Maybe you could better define "destruction of our nation" for us.

 

[Double Trouble]

In the 'normal world' where the results/effect are what counts. I don't think regular people care about the legislative 'jujitsu' that interests political junkies.

This is a point that eskimo and a lot of other political junkies just can't seem to grasp, time after time. It's very much like computer nerds that complain about some technical aspect of some product, failing to realize that the general population is not comprised of computer nerds and won't care.

To the vast majority of the general population, they will see their taxes go up. They won't care about the hot air coming from DC to talk about the finer details of how/why etc, they'll know their taxes went up, and they'll know who the president is right now. Even though the president isn't even the one making this decision, the president and dems are going to get the blame. It really is that simple, as much as political junkies dislike that reality.

 

[Double Trouble]

In what world of spin is not passing new legislation cut taxes a tax increase?

In the world of "reality" where the vast majority of people live. They don't care about the nuances. They will pay more taxes, they will be angry, and they will blame whoever they perceive as raising those taxes. The game is going to be, who can more effectively blame the other for the tax increases, and I'm pretty sure the republicans have an easier sell: Repub message: "They raised your taxes, as democrats always do". Dem message: "the tax cuts expired because the republicans would not allow only the tax cuts on the rich to expire, thus causing everyone's taxes to go up". Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[Zebo]

Modern Republicans are off their rockers simple as that. This debt needs to be paid by taxes our we will end up as Wiemar by counterfeiting. Also modern Dems are crazy. They seem to have no problem paying people to sit at home who don't have jobs and import more (amnesty) to make more to sit at home drawing a check.
This is what needs to happen.
1. Regulate trade on a country by country basis until trade is balanced with each country. Millions of jobs.
2. Lets build 2 Trillion dollar super project like IKE did - something to rid us of foriegnn oil once and for all and put the fundis back in tents where they belong. We built it for them and can take it all away! 100 nuke plants, standard quick swap batteries, Charge stations and ecars - all built by Americans! More Millions of jobs. Those Mexican won't look so bad after all. This will spur innovation too in to untold horizons and fortunes made and near zero pollution in our cities.
3. No more nothing for free unless you're old. Destroys young people. Old people paid their dues let retire in sunset, young? Go build and iphone or quick charge station and pay your dues.
4. Old banking rules put into place. No more billionaire bailouts either. Indict the racketeers like law demands. Without rule of law we are nothing.

 

[IronWing]

3. No more nothing for free unless you're old. Destroys young people. Old people paid their dues let retire in sunset,

No, no they didn't. If they had paid their dues, we wouldn't be in this mess now. The current crop of geezers wanted their tax cuts and their government benefit programs and the corporate welfare. They are the largest voting block and vote consistently to deficit spend. If we're going to cut spending to cut the deficit and pay back the public debt then we need to start with the entitlement programs the current crop of old people chose to short change for the last three decades. If we're going to cut medicare and SS, do it now.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a point that eskimo and a lot of other political junkies just can't seem to grasp, time after time. It's very much like computer nerds that complain about some technical aspect of some product, failing to realize that the general population is not comprised of computer nerds and won't care.

To the vast majority of the general population, they will see their taxes go up. They won't care about the hot air coming from DC to talk about the finer details of how/why etc, they'll know their taxes went up, and they'll know who the president is right now. Even though the president isn't even the one making this decision, the president and dems are going to get the blame. It really is that simple, as much as political junkies dislike that reality.

I'm sure the Republicans thought the same thing in 1994 before the government shutdown. How did that work out for them?

 

[Ancalagon44]

Republican Senators: We're going to screw the middle and working class to benefit rich people like ourselves.

Middle and working class R supporters: *applause*

Huh? Did I miss something?

 

[RaistlinZ]

Dems are going to have to play ball in one way or another quickly. They only have so much time until the new Congress is seated. They badly want to get some things passed like repealing DADT and ratifying the new START treaty.

My guess is they'll compromise with an extension of all tax cuts for another 2 years. They'd be wise to do it soon so they can move onto the aforementioned issues.

 

[piasabird]

Either make the tax cuts permanent or dont sign anything. Why should the future of our country be threatened by the tax happy democrats?

 

[fskimospy]

Either make the tax cuts permanent or dont sign anything. Why should the future of our country be threatened by the tax happy democrats?

Because the future of our country isn't threatened by these taxes in any way.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zebo 3. No more nothing for free unless you're old. Destroys young people. Old people paid their dues let retire in sunset,



No, no they didn't. If they had paid their dues, we wouldn't be in this mess now. The current crop of geezers wanted their tax cuts and their government benefit programs and the corporate welfare. They are the largest voting block and vote consistently to deficit spend. If we're going to cut spending to cut the deficit and pay back the public debt then we need to start with the entitlement programs the current crop of old people chose to short change for the last three decades. If we're going to cut medicare and SS, do it now.

Working class geezers have paid their dues and deserve full bennies, but I will concede that SS and perhaps even medicare should be means tested for eligability. That would eliminate the "corporate wellfare" types that you refer too.
And please show me on a ballot where you vote for deficit spending and how the current crop of old people choose to shortchange SS and medicare?

 

[spacejamz]

Because the future of our country isn't threatened by these taxes in any way.

Really? Alot of these middle class folks will have their paychecks reduced by $100-200 a month because the tax cuts are going to be eliminated...That doesn't sound threatening to you?

 

[fskimospy]

Really? Alot of these middle class folks will have their paychecks reduced by $100-200 a month because the tax cuts are going to be eliminated...That doesn't sound threatening to you?

It sounds like a bad idea policy wise, but no it's not a 'threat to the future of our country'.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

This a clever first step on the road to fiscal sanity on the part of Republicans!

Way to go!

 

[jhbball]

Our Nation can't get much more destructed than GWB and the Rebubs left it a couple of years ago.

Can we count the ways?

1. 2 Wars.
2. $trillion+ deficit
3. Worst Recession in 80 years.
4. Massive unemployment.
5. Huge increase in size of government over 8 years.

Maybe you could better define "destruction of our nation" for us.

Waiting for Spidey's response to this

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

No no no, everything was fine till Obama was elected.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

This a clever first step on the road to fiscal sanity on the part of Republicans!

Way to go!

Yes, yes indeed, the same sanity that produced the unfunded tax cuts to begin with 9yrs ago creating trillions in deficits and sending the economy hurling into the abyss.

 

[Ldir]

Waiting for Spidey's response to this

Spidey can not see it. It does not fit his crazed version of reality.

 

[Ldir]

Either make the tax cuts permanent or dont sign anything. Why should the future of our country be threatened by the tax happy democrats?

Are you and Spidey related? It is Republicans who will raise taxes by letting the tax cuts expire.

 

[Zebo]

Because the future of our country isn't threatened by these taxes in any way.

Just the opposite actually. Our steeply progressively taxed, heavy unionized society 1945-1970 was just amazingly prosperous from the bottom to the top of society.

Maybe some of our distinguished older fellas can chine in here but everything I've heard from them, my dad being one of them, is :Times were good!

Course he's a tea partier.:::roll::: Selfishism took over for him too.

That's the main problem today selfish and short sightedness IMO.

 

[theeedude]

You aren't going to convince the conservatives. Even after they destroy the middle class, they'll still be pushing the same policies.

 

[spidey07]

Are you and Spidey related? It is Republicans who will raise taxes by letting the tax cuts expire.

Are you smoking crack? It is the dems wanting to raise taxes that is the hold up. Keep the tax rates permanent along with all the other GREAT provisions (bigger child tax credit, no marriage penalty, low cap gains), watch the economy take off.

Dems have been holding them hostage for over a year and the economy limps along. It's december for christ sakes, this could have been taken care of if the dems just decided "hey, we don't want taxes to go up"

But they didn't. They said "we want taxes to go up" and it is shown by their inaction and marxist class warfare posturing. It is VERY apparent Obama doesn't want this country to succeed or recover. American exceptionalism is his enemy.

 

[spidey07]

You aren't going to convince the conservatives. Even after they destroy the middle class, they'll still be pushing the same policies.

The bush tax cuts helped the middle class the most. Notice how the dems are focusing only on rates and not all the other goodies that helped the middle class more than just tax rates.