GOP Senator says the quiet part out loud about Medicaid cuts. "Well, we all are going to die"

[pcgeek11]

You listen to your team constantly telling you there is another boogeyman. It's one thing after another and you never question if any of it is true. Of course they are going to lie to you. They want another big set of tax cuts and all it's going to cost the average American is anything that benefits the masses. Anything that keeps them from going broke or dying.

With inflation going crazy how come we aren't talking about raising taxes so we can have nice things? These cuts are going to hurt myself and my family. I also don't want my nieces and nephews growing up without safety nets because sometimes having one bad day can ruin yours and your family's physical and financial well being.

FWIW most Americans on medicaid actually work. Look it up. You're being lied to so they can justify tax cuts for people who wouldn't piss down your throat if your guts were on fire. You're on the wrong team.

Is There Really an Epidemic of Workless Medicaid Recipients?

A deep dive into the Survey of Income and Program Participation.

www.peoplespolicyproject.org

Then there is no issues if they meet the requirements to receive Medicaid. If they don't meet them then they get displaced off the list.

I never said there was an Epidemic of people not working and getting Medicaid. I do believe in the changes that are proposed in the bill. I only quoted the CBO Figure of 13.7 Million People being displaced by 2024... That is their number not mine.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then there is no issues if they meet the requirements to receive Medicaid. If they don't meet them then they get displaced off the list.

I never said there was an Epidemic of people not working and getting Medicaid. I do believe in the changes that are proposed in the bill. I only quoted the CBO Figure of 13.7 Million People being displaced by 2024... That is their number not mine.

13.7 million people worth of waste, fraud, and abuse sounds like epidemic.

 

[balloonshark]

Then there is no issues if they meet the requirements to receive Medicaid. If they don't meet them then they get displaced off the list.

I never said there was an Epidemic of people not working and getting Medicaid. I do believe in the changes that are proposed in the bill. I only quoted the CDO Figure of 13.7 Million People being displaced by 2024... That is their number not mine.

And how do you think cutting off 13.7 million people from insurance will hurt them, their families and their communities? I live in rural WV and people losing their insurance will cost us jobs and maybe even cause good doctors to leave and medical facilities to close. Things like Medicare, Medicaid and food stamps create local jobs and are a big part of many rural economies.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That isn't what I said or implied. They are changing the requirements. I posted the link above.

So in the previous requirements, those individuals were eligible? You've been talking about removing benefits from ineligible individuals.

 

[pcgeek11]

13.7 million people worth of waste, fraud, and abuse sounds like epidemic.

13.7 million is a CBO Estimate as has been stated several times before.

 

[ch33zw1z]

13.7 million is a CBO Estimate as has been stated several times before.

Sure, the exact figure is irrelevant, but go ahead and keeping stating it like of it was just 10mil then everythings all good.

Feel free provide your own estimates and provide supporting sources.

 

[brycejones]

13.7 million is a CBO Estimate as has been stated several times before.

Yes and it’s people who will disqualified in the future through policy changes not people who are fraudulently receiving benefits today.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yes and it’s people who will disqualified in the future through policy changes not people who are fraudulently receiving benefits today.

See that's confusing because he specifically said people were illegitimately receiving benefits. Are you saying that's false?

 

[brycejones]

See that's confusing because he specifically said people were illegitimately receiving benefits. Are you saying that's false?

Yes, the cbo forecast is for people who will lose benefits if the proposed changes are enacted. It’s not saying 13.7 million people today are incorrectly receiving benefits under current rules.

 

[pcgeek11]

And how do you think cutting off 13.7 million people from insurance will hurt them, their families and their communities? I live in rural WV and people losing their insurance will cost us jobs and maybe even cause good doctors to leave and medical facilities to close. Things like Medicare, Medicaid and food stamps create local jobs and are a big part of many rural economies.

If they are not eligible they need to be removed from whatever programs... If they know they are not eligible and are taking from the system then they are stealing. In the long run this adds up and will eventually hurt everyone.

As was stated earlier Medicaid was meant to help the most vulnerable people The young, elderly, and disabled. By covering people the way they are it is going to hurt those that truly need Medicare.

I cannot and will not attempt to justify the CBO's numbers. I know it would be great to provide free medical care, food, housing and anything else they desire to any and everybody that immigrates or sneaks into the country forever. BUT ... It just can't be done.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sure, the exact figure is irrelevant, but go ahead and keeping stating it like of it was just 10mil then everythings all good.

Feel free provide your own estimates and provide supporting sources.

If the number is irrelevant why do you keep bringing it up?

No.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If they are not eligible they need to be removed from whatever programs... If they know they are not eligible and are taking from the system then they are stealing. In the long run this adds up and will eventually hurt everyone.

But you just said they aren't ineligible now, that the program is changing which will make them ineligible.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If the number is irrelevant why do you keep bringing it up?

No.

Its the CBO’s estimate, duh. So you have some data to counter it? Some information the CBO doesnt have access to?

You keep repeating it like, why?





Soo, whats your number? Provide supporting sources please

 

[ch33zw1z]

If they are not eligible they need to be removed from whatever programs... If they know they are not eligible and are taking from the system then they are stealing. In the long run this adds up and will eventually hurt everyone.

As was stated earlier Medicaid was meant to help the most vulnerable people The young, elderly, and disabled. By covering people the way they are it is going to hurt those that truly need Medicare.

I cannot and will not attempt to justify the CBO's numbers. I know it would be great to provide free medical care, food, housing and anything else they desire to any and everybody that immigrates or sneaks into the country forever. BUT ... It just can't be done.

Illegal immigrants dont qualify, so why do you infer that they are qualifying?

 

[IronWing]

So 13 million or so currently qualify but won’t any longer because conservatives would rather give more money to rich people. Seems like a good use for guillotines.

 

[pcgeek11]

But you just said they aren't ineligible now, that the program is changing which will make them ineligible.

No,I didn't say they aren't ineligible now and the program is changing which will make them ineligible. I don't know where you got that from. Either you misunderstood something I said or it was a type. Give me a link where I said that, thanks.

They are making changes to the system which are correcting things such as a work requirement etc. see the link I posted above about the present and changes proposed in the 2025 Bill.

That doesn't mean there isn't people getting unauthorized benefits.

 

[IronWing]

No,I didn't say they aren't ineligible now and the program is changing which will make them ineligible. I don't know where you got that from. Either you misunderstood something I said or it was a type. Give me a link where I said that, thanks.

They are making changes to the system which are correcting things such as a work requirement etc. see the link I posted above about the present and changes proposed in the 2025 Bill.

That doesn't mean there isn't people getting unauthorized benefits.

“Correcting things”, yep, FYGM.

 

[pcgeek11]

Its the CBO’s estimate, duh. So you have some data to counter it? Some information the CBO doesnt have access to?

You keep repeating it like, why?

Soo, whats your number? Provide supporting sources please

Why do I need to counter it?
I repeat it because you and others keep bringing it up.
I'll ignore your silly questions and you from here on out...

I don't have a number. Never claimed to.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do I need to counter it?
I repeat it because you and others keep bringing it up.
I'll ignore your silly questions and you from here on out...

I don't have a number. Never claimed to.

Ok, so then the estimate stands. Stop repeating like its not accurate.

13.7 million people, how much is fraud, or waste, or abuse?

 

[ch33zw1z]

i remember, not long ago, where Republicans insisted they wouldnt make cuts to social safety nets.

Yet, here we are, with the usual suspects not only ignoring those statements, but supporting tax cuts for the wealthy on the backs of the poor by doing exactly what was claimed to not be on the task list.

Id love to say im suprised…but its not in the least surprising.

 

[pcgeek11]

Illegal immigrants dont qualify, so why do you infer that they are qualifying?

Current Law:

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federally-funded Medicaid coverage. Emergency Medicaid pays hospitals for the costs of emergency department care for immigrants who would qualify for Medicaid, except for their immigration status.

States verify immigration status through the DHS SAVE system which can provide automatic real-time verification. If the SAVE system cannot verify immigration status in real time, states are required to provide Medicaid benefits to applicants during a “reasonable opportunity period” of 90 days while their immigration status is being verified, if they meet all other eligibility criteria.

Lawfully present immigrants must wait five years after obtaining qualified status before they may enroll in Medicaid; states may waive the five-year wait for children and pregnant individuals. Some states cover undocumented immigrants using only state funds.

Proposed Change 2025:

• Eliminates the requirement for states to provide Medicaid coverage during a reasonable opportunity period but allows states to do so at state option.

• Prohibits states from claiming federal matching funds during a reasonable opportunity period.

I'm not saying that immigrants are a Huge source of waste, fraud and abuse. I do believe it exists and should be prevented. Regardless of what form it takes.

I do believe there is waste fraud and abuse in Most Government Programs. All of which needs to be rooted out and ended.

But I'm done with this repeating of questions. We are never going to agree.

 

[pcgeek11]

i remember, not long ago, where Republicans insisted they wouldnt make cuts to social safety nets.

Yet, here we are, with the usual suspects not only ignoring those statements, but supporting tax cuts for the wealthy on the backs of the poor by doing exactly what was claimed to not be on the task list.

Id love to say im suprised…but its not in the least surprising.

Waste fraud and abuse is not a social safety net.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Waste fraud and abuse is not a social safety net.

No shit. Read.

 

[pcgeek11]

No shit. Read.

This is like I'm talking to Buckey.....

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is like I'm talking to Buckey.....

Nah, you just havent figured out how words work still.

Waste fraud and abuse is not a social safety net.

See, here you either knowingly or unknowingly are inferring that the people anticipated to lose access to healthcare are waste, fraud, or abuse.

If thats not the case, explain your response in detail and how its relevant to what i said.