GOP Senate Candidate Declares Pregnancy From Rape Is "Something God Intended"

[Charles Kozierok]

You do not honestly believe they do not purposefully kill the unborn human to do this, do you?

You know, I think the language I used was so simple, even you can understand it.

 

[HomerJS]

I kinda forgive this guy for his words. I think he meant well and just said it wrong.
But if he did mean it word for word, then 9/11 was also Gods will?
Like saying God willed the terrorist with success?
Or getting mugged and robbed is Gods will? So why protect yourself or call the police?
And if a wife discoveres her husband is cheating, then killing him for that is ok because it was Gods will?
Just how far should "Gods will" as an excuse go?

Not only did he mean it but after giving it thought overnight, Romney is sticking with his endorsment of Murdock.

At least for now until the gender gap widens which I predict will happen.

 

[cybrsage]

You know, I think the language I used was so simple, even you can understand it.

Wow, so you do mean that they do not purposefully kill the unborn human during an abortion. Not what I expected from you.

 

[UberNeuman]

"GOP Senate Candidate Declares Pregnancy From Rape Is "Something God Intended"

Of course that what "God" intended.... with out a rape/forced impregnation - you wouldn't have gotten his number 1 Son....

 

[Moonbeam]

They kill the unborn human, on purpose, to do this. You do not honestly believe they do not purposefully kill the unborn human to do this, do you?

It's God's will. He kills the infant. God is omniscient and omnipotent or He's not God. Nothing can happen that isn't God's will. You get to opt for what he already decided you would opt for and then you get to be forgiven. This is the truth that flows from absolutes. If the fetus is a sacred being then God is a murderer. No, the fetus must just be a worthless bunch of cells that were never meant to be or God couldn't have determined billions of years ago that the mother would kill it and then be able to be forgiven.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Wow, so you do mean that they do not purposefully kill the unborn human during an abortion. Not what I expected from you.

A woman gets an abortion because she doesn't want to be pregnant, not because she wants to "kill an unborn human". If there were a way to accomplish the first without the second, I believe most reasonable people would choose it.

 

[cybrsage]

It's God's will. He kills the infant. God is omniscient and omnipotent or He's not God.

You are obviously a believer in predestination - the lack of free will on the part of humanity.

Your last sentence is incorrect, though, for it is a non-sequitur. Being all powerful and all knowing does not mean all doing.

 

[mchammer187]

What you are saying is that you wish God removed your free will and turned you into an automaton. However your argument is based on a false initial assumption. Here is an easy example to help you understand why it is false.

Every parent who has ever taught their child to ride a bike knows the child will fall at least one time. Parents do not want bad things to happen to their children. Parents let their children learn how to ride a bike knowing bad things will happen to them.

According to you, parents are dicks, pure and simple. I feel sad for your mom and dad.

That is flawed because parents by nature are human and thus flawed. They want the best for their children but ultimately do not have the power to control everyone's destiny. God on the other hand is omnipotent, all present, and all knowing and has the power change anything he wants.

It would be like if your parents dropped you off at your a child molester's house and they knew you would be molested on that day but they sent you in there way anyway.

 

[LumbergTech]

That is flawed because parents by nature are human and thus flawed. They want the best for their children but ultimately do not have the power to control everyone's destiny. God on the other hand is omnipotent, all present, and all knowing and has the power change anything he wants.

It would be like if your parents dropped you off at your a child molester's house and they knew you would be molested on that day but they sent you in there way anyway.

More like if your parents invented child molesters..

 

[mchammer187]

More like if your parents invented child molesters..

True that is a good point too.

 

[cybrsage]

A woman gets an abortion because she doesn't want to be pregnant, not because she wants to "kill an unborn human". If there were a way to accomplish the first without the second, I believe most reasonable people would choose it.

Ah, ok, I see your point. You are correct, I should not have said the goal of abortion was to kill the unborn child. Abortion does require the killing of the unborn human, so everyone having one knows an unborn human will be killed. It is not accidental, nor do they even try to prevent the killing of the unborn human.

In almost all late term abortion the unborn human would survive if removed alive...but that never happens. They kill the unborn child on purpose anyway.

If they did not purposefully kill the unborn human during an abortion, I would have far less of a problem with it. Sure, many would not survive, but they should at least try to save the human's life instead of purposefully killing the human. The newly born human being could then be given up for adoption.

EDIT: I agree that most reasonable people would do as you say they would, but I also think most people who get an abortion do not want the human to be born at all.

 

[cybrsage]

That is flawed because parents by nature are human and thus flawed. They want the best for their children but ultimately do not have the power to control everyone's destiny. God on the other hand is omnipotent, all present, and all knowing and has the power change anything he wants.

Your critique of my example fails because parents absolutely have the power to not teach their children to ride a bike (which was my example). I used that example expressly because of that.

Yes, God can change anything He wants...but He cannot both allow us to have free will AND not allow us to make bad choices. You are arguing that you want to be an automaton.

 

[chowderhead]

You are obviously a believer in predestination - the lack of free will on the part of humanity.

Your last sentence is incorrect, though, for it is a non-sequitur. Being all powerful and all knowing does not mean all doing.

Why do you limit God's power with your doubt of him being all powerful?

 

[cybrsage]

Why do you limit God's power with your doubt of him being all powerful?

Being all powerful and all knowing does not mean all doing.

EDIT: Let me restate it: Just because God can do everything and knows everything does not God actually DOES everything. God being able to do everything does not mean God IS doing everything.

 

[jackstar7]

Being all powerful and all knowing does not mean all doing.

EDIT: Let me restate it: Just because God can do everything and knows everything does not God actually DOES everything. God being able to do everything does not mean God IS doing everything.

Basically, God allows terrible things to happen, even though he could prevent them.

Apparently he's just a big dick.

 

[cybrsage]

Basically, God allows terrible things to happen, even though he could prevent them.

Apparently he's just a big dick.

What you are saying is that you wish God removed your free will and turned you into an automaton. However your argument is based on a false initial assumption. Here is an easy example to help you understand why it is false.

Every parent who has ever taught their child to ride a bike knows the child will fall at least one time. Parents do not want bad things to happen to their children. Parents let their children learn how to ride a bike knowing bad things will happen to them.

According to you, parents are dicks, pure and simple. I feel sad for your mom and dad.

 

[jackstar7]

What you are saying is that you wish God removed your free will and turned you into an automaton. However your argument is based on a false initial assumption. Here is an easy example to help you understand why it is false.

Every parent who has ever taught their child to ride a bike knows the child will fall at least one time. Parents do not want bad things to happen to their children. Parents let their children learn how to ride a bike knowing bad things will happen to them.

According to you, parents are dicks, pure and simple. I feel sad for your mom and dad.

So your parents were omnipotent?

Fascinating. Tell us more.

Or do you not know how to ride a bicycle? That would be sad.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

When we're done debating the intentions and capabilities of mythical deities, perhaps we can move on to discussing angels and pins.

 

[Tylanner]

“Many people hear my name in connection with the Christian Right and start to assume we are somehow aligned in some capacity, and I’m here to say, for the record, that we are not,” God continued. “So let me just be clear: I don’t want women to get raped; not ever. I don’t think their resulting pregnancies are my divine will. And if a woman is raped, then she has the right to get an abortion, period. I do not agree with Mourdock. I do not agree with the Christian Right. End of story.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-distances-self-from-christian-right,30087/

 

[Paratus]

I was under the assumption that the woman got pregnant willingly, and intended to carry the baby to term. She can't control whether she miscarries.
The very process of pregnancy puts a 50/50 chance of death of an embryo. Your beliefs turn this into a death of a child otherwise it couldn't be murder if she had an abortion later or took plan b earlier.


Yes, precisely. Miscarriages happen all the time, for reasons entirely outside of the mother's control. You are seriously projecting a straw man here. No one thinks, nor it it logically consistent, that murder is being committed when a woman miscarries.
Never said it was murder just your beliefs make it death of a child. Although it seems like you think hey miscarriages happen what are you going to do. But induce a miscarriage it's murder.


Procreation is necessary. If fertilized eggs get flushed out naturally, that is beyond anyone's ability to avoid.

Yup procreation is necessary but under your beliefs that's not a fertilized egg that gets flushed that's a child. It interesting that you used the term fertilized embryo here. Are you sure that a fertilized embryo is child? Embryo's don't have rights you know.

Plus it's complete BS that you think no one has control of this. The parents have complete control of whether they could have a miscarriage or not be not gettin pregnant.

See above

 

[cybrsage]

Ah jackstar7, either you actually are as stupid as you just showed or you are pretending to be stupid. I am going to assume you are, for some odd reason only you can fathom, simply pretending to be stupid.


A parent does not need to be omnipotent to know their child will fall at least one time when learning to ride a bike. I am going to assume you are not a parent else you would have never said it...but even a teenager knows that a child will fall at least one time when learning to ride a bike. So unless you are younger than that, we both know you know this information.

 

[cybrsage]

When we're done debating the intentions and capabilities of mythical deities, perhaps we can move on to discussing angels and pins.

That question is easily answered - As many as God wants there to be.

 

[Zorkorist]

I love how the "elite" deem themselves worthy totalk to the crap of this world.

Obama, will fix you and I crap. He'll socialize it, and spend so much money on our crap, that we feel like we are being helped. Nevermind he is fucking us in the ass.

-John

 

[cybrsage]

Wow, Zorkorist. I am not even sure what you were trying to say there...can you rephrase it in English for us?

 

[jackstar7]

Ah jackstar7, either you actually are as stupid as you just showed or you are pretending to be stupid. I am going to assume you are, for some odd reason only you can fathom, simply pretending to be stupid.


A parent does not need to be omnipotent to know their child will fall at least one time when learning to ride a bike. I am going to assume you are not a parent else you would have never said it...but even a teenager knows that a child will fall at least one time when learning to ride a bike. So unless you are younger than that, we both know you know this information.

Parents are not comparable to God. That's the point. In fact, doing so is a blasphemy as God is unknowable and to presume to know anything about God is hubris unmatched. The infinite is unknowable. Attempting to ascribe motives to the infinite is amusing though. I hope you do continue. Tell us more about what God doesn't want to happen... but allows to happen!

And I assume you mean that parents don't have to be omniscient to know something will happen, unless you simply use those two words interchangeably.