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DefRef

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting that Dems are referred to as fascists, when it's the other side who supports indefinite imprisonment without charge, and flaunt the constitution and longstanding legal practice to do so...
You apparently didn't have a problem with Clinton rolling back civil rights after OKC bombing because it was YOUR guy crushing THOSE guys - those whackos who believe in the Constitution as it was written, not REwritten by the liberal-fascist-Democrats.

News flash, Sparky - there's a war on and if you think that we should deal with suspected terrorists the way your beloved Europeans do (i.e. set them free to kill again), you're dead wrong and you'll get a lot more innocent civilians dead if your ways are allowed to return to practice.

It's no longer Sept. 10th. Wake up. Your side got 3000 New Yorkers killed dead. Never going back to that.
Also pertinent that the original fascist, Mussolini, defined Fascism as the merger of State and Corporate power. Anybody notice who it is that the corporate interests are supporting this election? Mergers, after all, are generally mutually beneficial, and agreed upon beforehand- it seems clear that the Repubs are offering a really nice package...
Got a link for that Mussonlini quote or did you pull that from the same place the nutty-corny poo comes from?

The greatest hypocrisy of you liberal-fascist-Democrats is the Big Lie that government under your control is noble, altruistic and honest, while under GOP control, it's Evil, Corporate and Bad. Didn't the DNC Chairman and Clinton proxy Terry MacAulife make $18 million dollars in sweetheart bribes....er...stock deals from Global Crossing before they follow Enron down the tubes? Why, yes, he did! How could that be? Democrats are honest and noble public servants.

Just listen to them say so.

You're either naive, stupid, a liar or all of the above: a Democrat.

Keep lying to yourselves all you want, but quit lying to others.


Kerry lied. POWs died.

 

OneOfTheseDays

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Train

How is that bigotry? Im only stating Dems rely on those two groups, and would lose almost every election without them.

So quick with the labeling, your conditioned for instant reaction to a threat against the Liberals safe haven of easy votes.

So white people are thoughtful and rational, minorities are "blindly loyal," and that's not a bigoted statement? You're not being honest with yourself, much less anyone else.

You could accurately have observed that most black people vote Democratic (I believe they are actually the only minority group that does so consistently, actually), but instead you used the phrase "blindly loyal." By way of illustration, how would you feel if someone said your wife was "blindly loyal" to you?
Putting words in my mouth?

I did not say any race was more/less thoughtfull than any other race, im the last person anyone would call a racist. But as far as voting, look at the numbers, the two most loyal interest groups in america are Unions and Minorities, its just a fact, I am being "honest with myself" Being blind for reasons of PC or the outright fear of just the word "minority" keeps you from being honest with yourself. Please note that I was also referring to Unions, which yes, transcend racial lines.

Dems use the "shut up its not PC" argument way too often.

And without the religious right, the Republicans would lose every election. What the hell is your point? Both sides have their loyalists.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: DefRef
You're either naive, stupid, a liar or all of the above: A Flame Baiting Troll like me


Kerry saved POWs lives.
Fixed it for you
 

Darkhawk28

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I've always noticed that a lot of people only have the guts to post their bigotry as long as they're anonymous.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: DefRef
Nice how the liberal-fascist-Democrats treat dissent around here. They get away with baseless ad hominems and call anyone who points out their lies "trolls".

My bad for thinking that P&N was anything other than the "Liberal-Fascist-Democrat Circle-Jerk Forum" where America-hating Michael Moore fans can get together to express their contempt for freedom and diversity as the bleat their pitiful cries for power and revenge.

<yawn>

There's a Real World out there. And it's likely to crush your lying, phony war hero on Nov. 2. Get the cyanide pills ready.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I'm reading through these threads this morning, and noticing that whenever someone doesn't have a liberal democrat viewpoint, they're labeled as a troll. I visit P&amp;N to participate in some lively discussion from the other side. But these conformists don't want to hear it. They want a forum where liberal ideas and democrat candidates are praised and lauded. Just the same way they don't want to hear another perspective on the news, like Fox News. They're perfectly happy with their liberal media, which they've had a monopoly on for 50 years.

I guess their best defense is to oppress the opposing viewpoint. Just like how the networks refused to broadcast the opening night of the RNC. Or the democratic protesters who plan to shut down republican websites, and disrupt the activities happening in NY. If they can keep the message from the people, they might have a chance in November. It's that kind of action that doesn't help my opinion of liberals.
 

kage69

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People lauding Bush as an effective leader on terror, oh the hilarity... Oh well, it's a rally, it's to be expected I guess. It just amuses me to see people so eager to hear more promises that will be broken, more issues that will be flip-flopped.

The level of American stupidity has just reached astronomical porportions I'm sorry to say. Wake up people! Your party has been hijacked by ideological goons! Why don't you care?!
 

Todd33

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F911 DVD sales soar! Thanks McCain. McCain then said later he had not seen the movie, what a loser. Is it me, or did all the people on the right who talked sh!t about F911 never saw it?
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: kage69
People lauding Bush as an effective leader on terror, oh the hilarity...

The level of American stupidity has just reached astronomical porportions I'm sorry to say. Wake up people!

Wow, you're right. How could I have been so wrong? Thanks for making me see the error of my ways. :roll:

My thoughts on Bush and the war were only validated last night by the speeches of McCain and Guliani, two great American leaders. I have a tendency to see more credibility in their opinions than the drunken white trash democratic protesters that were shown in the background, or entertainment activists who couldn't get a college degree if they tried (much like most liberals).
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Todd33
F911 DVD sales soar! Thanks McCain. McCain then said later he had not seen the movie, what a loser. Is it me, or did all the people on the right who talked sh!t about F911 never saw it?
does he really need to see it? Its John McCain, hes one of the most informed members of our government, if anything, Micheal Moore should be watching what McCain says/does, he might learn something. You act like if McCain watched the movie, he'd walk out a huge liberal convert or something, riiight. I would think most liberals would hope people like McCain DON'T see the movie.
 

kage69

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F911 DVD sales soar! Thanks McCain. McCain then said later he had not seen the movie, what a loser. Is it me, or did all the people on the right who talked sh!t about F911 never saw it?




Yep, same thing with OutFoxed. They know all there is to know about it, despite never having seen it. They won't bother to address points on merit, it's the source and supporters that counts apparently (keep in mind, this is almost always from those who claim to be well-informed and get their info from a variety of sources, heh, too funny).
 

kage69

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Wow, you're right. How could I have been so wrong? Thanks for making me see the error of my ways.

Your sarcasm holds no weight, I already knew you were beyond help. Next!
 
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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Todd33

does he really need to see it? Its John McCain, hes one of the most informed members of our government, if anything, Micheal Moore should be watching what McCain says/does, he might learn something. You act like if McCain watched the movie, he'd walk out a huge liberal convert or something, riiight. I would think most liberals would hope people like McCain DON'T see the movie.

I think there's an argument he should see it if he is going to make a blanket categorization about its contents, which he did. He essentially said it portrayed Iraq under SH as a free and happy nation, which is substantially wrong IMO. I am a fan of Senator McCain's, but I thought that line was a slightly silly way of soliciting an ovation from the crowd, and it's really an inaccurate characterization of the movie. I'm not a fan of Michael Moore's, and it seems to me McCain's speech was invaluable promotion for F9/11. Moore was obviously flattered and happy to get the attention.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: kage69
Wow, you're right. How could I have been so wrong? Thanks for making me see the error of my ways.

Your sarcasm holds no weight, I already knew you were beyond help. Next!

I don't need help from a young newb with uninformed political views. Next!
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: DefRef
Nice how the liberal-fascist-Democrats treat dissent around here. They get away with baseless ad hominems and call anyone who points out their lies "trolls".

My bad for thinking that P&amp;N was anything other than the "Liberal-Fascist-Democrat Circle-Jerk Forum" where America-hating Michael Moore fans can get together to express their contempt for freedom and diversity as the bleat their pitiful cries for power and revenge.

<yawn>

There's a Real World out there. And it's likely to crush your lying, phony war hero on Nov. 2. Get the cyanide pills ready.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I'm reading through these threads this morning, and noticing that whenever someone doesn't have a liberal democrat viewpoint, they're labeled as a troll. I visit P&amp;N to participate in some lively discussion from the other side. But these conformists don't want to hear it. They want a forum where liberal ideas and democrat candidates are praised and lauded. Just the same way they don't want to hear another perspective on the news, like Fox News. They're perfectly happy with their liberal media, which they've had a monopoly on for 50 years.

I guess their best defense is to oppress the opposing viewpoint. Just like how the networks refused to broadcast the opening night of the RNC. Or the democratic protesters who plan to shut down republican websites, and disrupt the activities happening in NY. If they can keep the message from the people, they might have a chance in November. It's that kind of action that doesn't help my opinion of liberals.

You're just as bad as the liberals calling the conservatives trolls. C'mon. Repulbicans do the EXACT same thing. What do you think Bush is doing when he requires a loyalty pledge just to go to one of his rally's? He's suppressing the opposition view. You made a good point until you tried to define as a "liberal" trait. Its a human trait that both sides are guilty of.


quote Defref:
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The greatest hypocrisy of you liberal-fascist-Democrats is the Big Lie that government under your control is noble, altruistic and honest, while under GOP control, it's Evil, Corporate and Bad. Didn't the DNC Chairman and Clinton proxy Terry MacAulife make $18 million dollars in sweetheart bribes....er...stock deals from Global Crossing before they follow Enron down the tubes? Why, yes, he did! How could that be? Democrats are honest and noble public servants.

Just listen to them say so.

You're either naive, stupid, a liar or all of the above: a Democrat.

Keep lying to yourselves all you want, but quit lying to others.
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And if you believe the republicans are any different then you're either just naive, stupid, or a liar.

and also for you.... fascism a.k.a. corparatism. A system of corporate welfare:
http://www.banned-books.com/tr...ive/121_3/ts213l.html


a small passage:
Mercantilism and protectionism. Whenever politicians start talking about "collaboration" with business, it is time to hold on to your wallet. Despite the fascist rhetoric about "national collaboration" and working for the national, rather than private, interests, the truth is that mercantilist and protectionist practices riddled the system. Italian social critic Gaetano Salvemini wrote in 1936 that under corporatism, "it is the state, i.e., the taxpayer, who has become responsible to private enterprise. In Fascist Italy the state pays for the blunders of private enterprise." As long as business was good, Salvemini wrote, "profit remained to private initiative." But when the depression came, "the government added the loss to the taxpayer's burden. Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social." The Italian corporative state, The Economist editorialized on July 27, 1935, "only amounts to the establishment of a new and costly bureaucracy from which those industrialists who can spend the necessary amount, can obtain almost anything they want, and put into practice the worst kind of monopolistic practices at the expense of the little fellow who is squeezed out in the process." Corporatism, in other words, was a massive system of corporate welfare. "Three-quarters of the Italian economic system," Mussolini boasted in 1934, "had been subsidized by government."

As to whether, this fits the current Republican Economic policy is probably a matter of perspective. Its interesting that fascism claimed to be liberal, yet, was exactly opposite by stating the individual serves the state, instead of the state serves the individual. Fascism basically involved using public money to promote and benefit certain parts of the economy to ideally increase its competitiveness and development.

You know, it only took 5 seconds to find this info. Maybe, you could spend a minute learning instead of calling him a liar.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: kage69
People lauding Bush as an effective leader on terror, oh the hilarity...

The level of American stupidity has just reached astronomical porportions I'm sorry to say. Wake up people!

Wow, you're right. How could I have been so wrong? Thanks for making me see the error of my ways. :roll:

My thoughts on Bush and the war were only validated last night by the speeches of McCain and Guliani, two great American leaders. I have a tendency to see more credibility in their opinions than the drunken white trash democratic protesters that were shown in the background, or entertainment activists who couldn't get a college degree if they tried (much like most liberals).

That last statement was kind of odd considering the positive trend between level of education and liberalness.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: tss4
Repulbicans do the EXACT same thing. What do you think Bush is doing when he requires a loyalty pledge just to go to one of his rally's? He's suppressing the opposition view.

Trying to prevent protesters from disrupting a planned event is different than trying to axe the event altogether, to prevent the other side from having a chance to make their point. Both sides should be able to state their position. Democrats had a nice convention, now let the Republicans have their convention. And I don't understand why they don't get equal airtime.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: kage69
People lauding Bush as an effective leader on terror, oh the hilarity...

The level of American stupidity has just reached astronomical porportions I'm sorry to say. Wake up people!

Wow, you're right. How could I have been so wrong? Thanks for making me see the error of my ways. :roll:

My thoughts on Bush and the war were only validated last night by the speeches of McCain and Guliani, two great American leaders. I have a tendency to see more credibility in their opinions than the drunken white trash democratic protesters that were shown in the background, or entertainment activists who couldn't get a college degree if they tried (much like most liberals).

That last statement was kind of odd considering the positive trend between level of education and liberalness.

Do you not agree that the Republican party has a greater percentage of college educated supporters than the Democratic party?
 
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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Democrats had a nice convention, now let the Republicans have their convention. And I don't understand why they don't get equal airtime.

They are receiving the exact same amount of primetime coverage as the DNC.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Democrats had a nice convention, now let the Republicans have their convention. And I don't understand why they don't get equal airtime.

They are receiving the exact same amount of primetime coverage as the DNC.

Um, I remember seeing the opening night of the DNC on the major networks. Am I mistaken? (could be, I have been before...)
 
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Originally posted by: Rob9874

Do you not agree that the Republican party has a greater percentage of college educated supporters than the Democratic party?

Actually I believe there is no statistically significant correlation between party affiliation and educational background. This year, there definitely IS one between Nobel Prize winners for science and their preference for Kerry, but even that is probably incidental to this election.
 

Moonbeam

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McCain is a joke. The notion that he has credibility is a laugh. He's just another Republican shill.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Democrats had a nice convention, now let the Republicans have their convention. And I don't understand why they don't get equal airtime.

They are receiving the exact same amount of primetime coverage as the DNC.

Um, I remember seeing the opening night of the DNC on the major networks. Am I mistaken? (could be, I have been before...)

The networks must not have signed their pledge of support for the president.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: tss4
Repulbicans do the EXACT same thing. What do you think Bush is doing when he requires a loyalty pledge just to go to one of his rally's? He's suppressing the opposition view.

Trying to prevent protesters from disrupting a planned event is different than trying to axe the event altogether, to prevent the other side from having a chance to make their point. Both sides should be able to state their position. Democrats had a nice convention, now let the Republicans have their convention. And I don't understand why they don't get equal airtime.

The libs haven't axed anything. Sure, on this board, people will call you a troll if they don't like what you say. At the president's events, they will kick you out. Same thing, only difference is the president is doing it.
 
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Originally posted by: DefRef
Oh, and the Democratic Convention was honest as they pretended to be the Strong Military Party (when they nominated a proven liar, phony war hero) and didn't admit their plans to turn America into a subserviant colony of France and the UN? Puh-leeze...

You guys are insane, full of hate and rage and a danger to the safety of freedom loving people everywhere.

If I were a gay liberal who drove a Prius, I would kiss you, sir :)