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GOP establishment starts to go all in on Cruz

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MagickMan

MagickMan

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A very significant number of Drumph voters in the primaries are Dems trying to get him nominated (because he's the only person Shillary can easily defeat in the general). This is evident by him not doing well in caucus states.
 
dank69

dank69

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I think it is fantastic that the GOP establishment thinks it has to get in bed with Cruz. I think it is fantastic that they think it will make any difference. If they just believe hard enough they can stop Trump. Haha.
 
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dank69

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MagickMan said:
A very significant number of Drumph voters in the primaries are Dems trying to get him nominated (because he's the only person Shillary can easily defeat in the general). This is evident by him not doing well in caucus states.
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Genx87

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Gonad the Barbarian said:
Romney, Graham, and now Jeb! and even Rush.

More so, all those behind-the-scenes elite establishment operatives are fully cahooting:

Ah, Trump's true offense to the establishment is revealed. Lose with Cruz!

Meanwhile, those dirty Republican voters are saying...


Fun times ahead.
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This is what annoys me about political parties in general. But the GOP in particular since I was such a supporter of this party at one point. What the hell is a real Republican anyways? That is the problem with the GOP. They have labeled themselves as one thing and acted another. When they are put on the spot they fall back on being a real something. Though they cant explain on any given day what that actually means. From what I can gather a real republican today is anybody but Trump. Real sound ideology there.
 
PricklyPete

PricklyPete

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As someone who leans right at the national level, there is no way I would vote for Trump or Cruz.
 
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fskimospy

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Genx87 said:
This is what annoys me about political parties in general. But the GOP in particular since I was such a supporter of this party at one point. What the hell is a real Republican anyways? That is the problem with the GOP. They have labeled themselves as one thing and acted another. When they are put on the spot they fall back on being a real something. Though they cant explain on any given day what that actually means. From what I can gather a real republican today is anybody but Trump. Real sound ideology there.
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It is a bit strange, as best as I can tell it's almost entirely due to his lack of GOP connections and his childish, erratic temperament. (and that really is a terrible thing to have in a president)

I mean what other boxes doesn't he check?
Wants a huge tax cut for the ultra rich? Check.
Wants to repeal the ACA? Check.
Anti immigrant? Check.
Anti Mulsim? Check.
Anti regulation? Check.

I mean maybe they are afraid he is just lying about his positions, which is certainly a possibility for someone who by all accounts appears to be a pathological liar, but the actual policies he's putting forth should make Republicans happy. I mean how is his policy platform substantially different than any other Republican's?
 
dank69

dank69

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Genx87 said:
This is what annoys me about political parties in general. But the GOP in particular since I was such a supporter of this party at one point. What the hell is a real Republican anyways? That is the problem with the GOP. They have labeled themselves as one thing and acted another. When they are put on the spot they fall back on being a real something. Though they cant explain on any given day what that actually means. From what I can gather a real republican today is anybody but Trump. Real sound ideology there.
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That is part and parcel of the typical conservative mindset. Anyone who isn't one of us is against us, and let me tell you all the reasons why. Doesn't matter if none of the reasons are logical. Logic, data and evidence take a back seat to gut feelings.

Here is a prediction for you. The GOP fears Trump because they think he can't win the general and will hurt them in the under-cards as well. If Trump becomes the nominee they will rationalize all that away and believe right up until the election results are in that he has a good chance of winning. All of the polls showing otherwise will be "biased."
 
SMOGZINN

SMOGZINN

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MagickMan said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-jackman/im-voting-for-donald-trump_b_8970174.html

As I said, Trump sweeps in open primaries and bombs in closed primaries and caucus states, only an idiot (like you) would think there's nothing to that. :\
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What you are missing is that in open primaries the large number of undeclared swing voters can vote. So, it could be that old school Republicans don't like Trump, but a good portion of the huge pool of swing voters do. The thing to remember is that those swing voters are also the ones that decide general elections.
 
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fskimospy

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SMOGZINN said:
What you are missing is that in open primaries the large number of undeclared swing voters can vote. So, it could be that old school Republicans don't like Trump, but a good portion of the huge pool of swing voters do. The thing to remember is that those swing voters are also the ones that decide general elections.
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Polls show that independents like Trump far less than Republicans do so this is unlikely.

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chucky2

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Either way this is good: Trump is nominee and Rep Leadership won't be able to control him, or, Trump is not nominee, and even if Trump decides to gracefully bow out (like that'll happen) Cruz will get absolutely beat down by Billary.

The real question is, will Rep Leadership actually understand why their constituency is outright going to not show up for Cruz and punish them for not nominating Trump, or will they continue their delusion.

Either way destruction of current Rep party either achieved or making progress = Good direction
 
Sonikku

Sonikku

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Genx87 said:
This is what annoys me about political parties in general. But the GOP in particular since I was such a supporter of this party at one point. What the hell is a real Republican anyways? That is the problem with the GOP. They have labeled themselves as one thing and acted another. When they are put on the spot they fall back on being a real something. Though they cant explain on any given day what that actually means. From what I can gather a real republican today is anybody but Trump. Real sound ideology there.
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lol, before it was anybody but Obama. Now he's on his way out however. Now?

Anybody but Trump! (or Hillary) :D
 
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fskimospy

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dank69 said:
Hell, half of the conservatives here would give Obama a third term, lol!
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They wouldn't really, Obama is just receding from his previous role as the Enemy, soon to be replaced by Hillary. I don't know if you remember but conservatives spoke wistfully about how Hillary would have been better than Obama. That was because Obama was the Enemy then. If Hillary wins I have no doubt that conservatives will suddenly start talking more favorably about Obama in the same way.

It's a way to criticize someone without sounding partisan.
 
dank69

dank69

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eskimospy said:
They wouldn't really, Obama is just receding from his previous role as the Enemy, soon to be replaced by Hillary. I don't know if you remember but conservatives spoke wistfully about how Hillary would have been better than Obama. That was because Obama was the Enemy then. If Hillary wins I have no doubt that conservatives will suddenly start talking more favorably about Obama in the same way.

It's a way to criticize someone without sounding partisan.
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Of course I remember. It's been hilarious to watch over the years. Bill Clinton went from worst ever to best modern and back again. Hillary went from would have been better to obviously will be way worse. Obama is transitioning from worst ever to worst ever except for this current one.
 
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Xellos2099

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All the reason why Trump is the only choice, anyone whose the establishment vouch for CANNOT be good for the people.
 
Sonikku

Sonikku

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MagickMan said:
A very significant number of Drumph voters in the primaries are Dems trying to get him nominated (because he's the only person Shillary can easily defeat in the general). This is evident by him not doing well in caucus states.
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I thought Dems could only vote for their own party's candidates?
 
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