GOP Debate live - 1-14-16

[shady28]

Donald Trump won.

Cruz got tag teamed by Trump and Rubio, though Trump only attacked back when attacked. Rubio was all over Cruz repeatedly. Trump was also able to control the subject matter in several cases, meaning he had something worth saying that the others weren't saying.

Jeb looked like a weakling, and was unsuccessful in leveraging his family line and shifting conversation to foreign policy.

Carson was his usual calm and reasonable self, but didn't say anything particularly noteworthy.

I already forgot the others.

 

[shady28]

Can't say I care much for any of the candidates running. What's sad is that if Bernie somehow becomes the Democratic nominee that locks up a win for the Republicans regardless of who it is. It's their own damn fault for putting all of their eggs in Hillarys basket. Oh well.

Polls have been repeatedly showing that Bernie is the only one who can win against the GOP.

But you're right, Dems should have had more choices. Conservatives have a very broad and diverse field to choose from. You might find Dem debates more entertaining if there were more than 2 contenders, and if one of them wasn't pre-ordained.

 

[DrDoug]

LO-F'ing-L!

Jeb and Trump both made good points. Trump IS a smirking skin-duffel full of pig cum. and Jeb DOES has a Tic Tac for a dick. #GOPDebate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) January 15, 2016

 

[ivwshane]

So, I really haven't seen anyone mention that the candidates offered anything of substance. Did anyone put forth any good ideas or expand on their existing ones or was this a very shallow debate?

I'll have to watch it later.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Polls have been repeatedly showing that Bernie is the only one who can win against the GOP.

But you're right, Dems should have had more choices. Conservatives have a very broad and diverse field to choose from. You might find Dem debates more entertaining if there were more than 2 contenders, and if one of them wasn't pre-ordained.

Polls also show Trump as the front runner. Bernies main selling point is his ideas in regards to the economy, but his economic ideas make no frickin sense and would be torn to pieces by any of the republican nominees. Hillary knows this too but she is having to walk a fine line right now.

James Carville told Bill Clinton "it's all about the economy, stupid" and that is why Sanders isn't electable.

 

[theeedude]

To me, the most revealing was when Trump was talking about Trade and American workers getting creamed by Chinese protectionism, the rest responded with the usual Republican crap how tax cuts are going to solve all the problems. This is the difference between Trump and the rest (except maybe Kasich), he is talking about the actual issues that afflict the Republican blue collar base, while they are only talking about issues that Wall Street cares about.

 

[LegendKiller]

To me, the most revealing was when Trump was talking about Trade and American workers getting creamed by Chinese protectionism, the rest responded with the usual Republican crap how tax cuts are going to solve all the problems. This is the difference between Trump and the rest (except maybe Kasich), he is talking about the actual issues that afflict the Republican blue collar base, while they are only talking about issues that Wall Street cares about.

I agree there.

 

[shady28]

To me, the most revealing was when Trump was talking about Trade and American workers getting creamed by Chinese protectionism, the rest responded with the usual Republican crap how tax cuts are going to solve all the problems. This is the difference between Trump and the rest (except maybe Kasich), he is talking about the actual issues that afflict the Republican blue collar base, while they are only talking about issues that Wall Street cares about.

Yes, he exposed the others.

And he's crushing them in online polls at this moment.

Edit : 78.4% say Trump won on Fox poll, saw another one where he was at 67+%

 

[UglyCasanova]

To me, the most revealing was when Trump was talking about Trade and American workers getting creamed by Chinese protectionism, the rest responded with the usual Republican crap how tax cuts are going to solve all the problems. This is the difference between Trump and the rest (except maybe Kasich), he is talking about the actual issues that afflict the Republican blue collar base, while they are only talking about issues that Wall Street cares about.

Weird, I agree with senseamp on something.

 

[sportage]

Hilarious, after all of these so called debates, someone on stage thanks Fox for such a good substantial debate.
It's all bull.
Every one of these schmucks on stage have no problem slamming the current president and administration, BUT... Never will they offer one single clue as to how "they" would do things differently or do things better other than just repeat like some chatting parrot "I'll be better. I'll do it better. I'll be great."
How?
Talk is cheap fellas.
Give us actual plans and details on exactly how ISIS would be defeated?
How would you increase employment more than Obama's policies have, other than returning back to their old Reagan trickle down economics.
Which, by the way, trickle down has never created one single job for middle America.

After every one of these so called debates, I am amazed how bad things really are.
Gee. I never realized Americans had it so bad. We're suffering so.
Listening to these schmucks on stage, you'd think unemployment was at 65%.
You'd think everyone and their family were living under a bridge.
You'd think millions of Americans were being killed in their supermarket isles by ISIS.
And you'd think Americans all believe in sending their kids, every American soldier, into war to give up their life. And for what?

PS.
I am convinced and predict that Ben Carson will drop out within 72 hours.
I detected in his voice and his closing statement.
His statement was more of a "thank you all. I will never forget you" than "we're doing great and will go forward from here".
Ben is going to drop out. And very very soon.

And none of us have yet heard one word on exactly WHAT they would replace Obamacare with after repealing Obamacare.
With WHAT? With WHAT?
Not one single clue because they have not one single clue themselves.
What a freaking joke.

And one thing I learned.....
While everyone of these schmucks HATE immigrants, what I shockingly learned was that most ALL of these schmucks on stage have immigrant issues and family in their own past.
Amazing how their hate never applies to their own.
And their hypocrisy applies to everyone else, but never to them (hint: Ted Cruz).

 

[kage69]

James Carville told Bill Clinton "it's all about the economy, stupid" and that is why Sanders isn't electable.

James Carville also said unemployment was the single greatest problem with the country before the 2012 elections, called it "a humanitarian crisis of the first magnitude," warned of civil unrest and blamed it on Obama, thinking his re-election chances were dismal. Others echoed the "no one gets re-elected if unemployment is over 5%" adage.

And how did that work out Nov 2012?

Pretend Carville is some kind of oracle if you want, but that bald dome of his ain't no crystal ball, and his views leading up to the most recent presidential election prove that.

If George fucking Bush can get elected, anyone can.

 

[Vic]

I figured he would change his delivery as his audience broadened beyond just the Primary, which is what he's doing now. He's not really a hothead.

So the next question is, does he really believe what he's saying? He was a lefty at one time you know.

Not one of them up on that stage believe what they're saying.

 

[kage69]

LO-F'ing-L!

Jeb and Trump both made good points. Trump IS a smirking skin-duffel full of pig cum. and Jeb DOES has a Tic Tac for a dick.​

Damn. Quite a mouth on that little guy!

 

[UglyCasanova]

James Carville also said unemployment was the single greatest problem with the country before the 2012 elections, called it "a humanitarian crisis of the first magnitude," warned of civil unrest and blamed it on Obama, thinking his re-election chances were dismal. Others echoed the "no one gets re-elected if unemployment is over 5%" adage.

And how did that work out Nov 2012?

Pretend Carville is some kind of oracle if you want, but that bald dome of his ain't no crystal ball, and his views leading up to the most recent presidential election prove that.

If George fucking Bush can get elected, anyone can.

Ok, you can scratch Carville out of my post if you'd like, it doesn't change the point. Bernie makes no economic sense and come Election Day I believe clearer heads will prevail and realize that the US can't afford all of this "free shit" he promises and saying "just make bankers pay for it" is a bs answer.

 

[Vic]

To me, the most revealing was when Trump was talking about Trade and American workers getting creamed by Chinese protectionism, the rest responded with the usual Republican crap how tax cuts are going to solve all the problems. This is the difference between Trump and the rest (except maybe Kasich), he is talking about the actual issues that afflict the Republican blue collar base, while they are only talking about issues that Wall Street cares about.

The problem is that Trump's protectionist ideas might seem intuitive to the base but in reality would result in an economic disaster. China's economy is contracting, and he wants to start a tariff war? That would increase prices, raise interest rates, and reduce trade.

 

[DrDoug]

America hears the GOP candidates loud and clear!

And in conclusion, I can’t wait to lead this doomed, flaming ball of garbage we call America. #GOPDebate
— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) January 15, 2016
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lol

 

[Vic]

Ok, you can scratch Carville out of my post if you'd like, it doesn't change the point. Bernie makes no economic sense and come Election Day I believe clearer heads will prevail and realize that the US can't afford all of this "free shit" he promises and saying "just make bankers pay for it" is a bs answer.

And the Mexicans are going to pay for the border wall. Welcome to politics.

 

[shady28]

The problem is that Trump's protectionist ideas might seem intuitive to the base but in reality would result in an economic disaster. China's economy is contracting, and he wants to start a tariff war? That would increase prices, raise interest rates, and reduce trade.

Trump made his point quite well, China already engages in protectionist tariffs against us along with regulatory blocks. He simply wants them to stop.


We export about $100B, and import about $450B. The exports to China are about 1/3 what we export to Canada, and half what we export to Mexico.

You're also completely ignoring that decreased imports from china means we have billions to spend elsewhere - like here in the US, or with other trading partners like Canada and Mexico.

Our trade relationship with China is not a healthy one, and can't continue indefinitely.

 

[buckshot24]

Did anybody get "Trumped" tonight?

 

[Roflmouth]

Damn. Quite a mouth on that little guy!

Obama agrees considering how often his dick resides in there.

 

[UglyCasanova]

And the Mexicans are going to pay for the border wall. Welcome to politics.

I'm not a Trump supporter or disagreeing with your point. I'm simply saying that the Dems may have dug their own grave this election when it should have been a shoe in. Hillary has plenty of baggage and I'm not convinced the email scandal isn't going to eventually catch up to her, and then all that's left is someone who is (thankfully) unelectable.

 

[pcgeek11]

And one thing I learned.....
While everyone of these schmucks HATE immigrants, what I shockingly learned was that most ALL of these schmucks on stage have immigrant issues and family in their own past.
Amazing how their hate never applies to their own.
And their hypocrisy applies to everyone else, but never to them (hint: Ted Cruz).

No, Not Immigrants.

Illegal Immigrants.

 

[shortylickens]

No thanks.
I'd prefer something more cerebral, like The Kardashians.

 

[Vic]

Trump made his point quite well, China already engages in protectionist tariffs against us along with regulatory blocks. He simply wants them to stop.


We export about $100B, and import about $450B. The exports to China are about 1/3 what we export to Canada, and half what we export to Mexico.

You're also completely ignoring that decreased imports from china means we have billions to spend elsewhere - like here in the US, or with other trading partners like Canada and Mexico.

Our trade relationship with China is not a healthy one, and can't continue indefinitely.

Goods from those other trading partners tend to be more expensive. And our trading relationship with China is a necessary one. They're the most populated country on earth.
Tariffs and protectionism always increase prices. You wouldn't be getting all that cheap stuff at Walmart if it wasn't for our trading relationship with China.

 

[ivwshane]

Here is some AP fact checking:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d5c1...1bf2f8/ap-fact-check-claims-republican-debate