GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[vi edit]

Might as well be the Senator from the great state of I Give No Fucks, I Want "Regular Order" You Assholes

Yeah, this was unexpectedly candid interview with McCain about the Comey hearing. I was entertained.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12256301/mccain-comey-hearing/

“I had these questions laid out that I had discussed and, honest to God, two minutes before it was my turn, [the aide] hands me this app from Lindsey,” McCain said.

But while McCain was reading the message from Graham—aides said that it was an email, not an app—the screen on the phone the staffer had handed him went black. Without a passcode, McCain couldn’t reopen it to keep reading. “I was looking at it and, naturally, the message fades,” McCain recalled. “I think, ‘What the fuck am I going to do here?’” McCain then heard the chairman of the committee, Senator Richard Burr, call his name.

Though McCain might have reverted to the questions he’d prepared, he said he pressed on out of a sense of loyalty and respect to Graham. “I can’t tell you how important our relationship is, and I knew that this must be important. So I started out trying to remember what was on the app, and, anyway, to make a long story short, I fucked it up.”

I still wonder if he would have beat Obama had he not tagged Palin as his stoogey sidekick. I think he actually would have been a decent President.

 

[lopri]

Paul, on the other hand, I am skeptical and suspicious of.

 

[K1052]

I still wonder if he would have beat Obama had he not tagged Palin as his stoogey sidekick. I think he actually would have been a decent President.

Or it would have been closer at least. I think he would have been a pretty conventional R president in the mold of a significantly smarter GWBish approach. I don't love his hawkishness but he wouldn't have actively tried to harm the country through the unique mix of malice and incompetence that we now get to enjoy.

 

[K1052]

Paul, on the other hand, I am skeptical and suspicious of.

While I think one should aways be suspicious of Paul I'm getting the sense he knew this was probably doomed and piled on. Nothing he loves more than sticking it to the leadership when it doesn't really cost him anything.

 

[fskimospy]

I still wonder if he would have beat Obama had he not tagged Palin as his stoogey sidekick. I think he actually would have been a decent President.

I doubt any Republican was going to win in 2008 no matter who they were. Partially because Obama was a good candidate but more the fact that the Bush presidency had been an utter catastrophe.

 

[UNCjigga]

If McCain becomes another crucial vote to defeat this bill I will forgive all of his sins. He will be my forever hero.

With McCain backing out, Graham-Cassidy will never get to a vote as-is, if at all. GOP may have to abort (snicker.) I don't think Mitch can stand to be so publicly humiliated again...he'd never get his head out of his shell.

 

[K1052]

It's being noted that Trump's refusal to appoint any D senators to the cabinet (as vehimently suggested by experienced Rs) may have doomed the president's entire legislative agenda.

 

[Jaskalas]

I still wonder if he would have beat Obama had he not tagged Palin as his stoogey sidekick. I think he actually would have been a decent President.

A centrist like McCain has to pander to the base with the VP pick. Otherwise they'll revolt against a RINO.

 

[K1052]

OMG Pence is teaming up with LePage in a bid to pressure Collins. You know the nutzo governor that she could quite likely end up running to oust from office.

Politics. How does it work?

Turns out not such a fab idea:

 

[Jaskalas]

It's being noted that Trump's refusal to appoint any D senators to the cabinet (as vehimently suggested by experienced Rs) may have doomed the president's entire legislative agenda.

I'm rather surprised such an idea would originate from the Republicans given the political climate out there. But maybe they understood it best. It certainly appears to be true. Trump's best bet was to act as the bipartisan bridge to fulfill his own campaign promises of helping people. He betrayed his own campaign when he jumped in bed with the GOP and their dogma.

 

[K1052]

I'm rather surprised such an idea would originate from the Republicans given the political climate out there. But maybe they understood it best. It certainly appears to be true. Trump's best bet was to act as the bipartisan bridge to fulfill his own campaign promises of helping people. He betrayed his own campaign when he jumped in bed with the GOP and their dogma.

They knew a narrow majority could mean problems.

 

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Turns out not such a fab idea:

LOL. Good luck swaying King. That dude is awesome. He's one of the best parts of the public senate hearings on Rersha.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm rather surprised such an idea would originate from the Republicans given the political climate out there. But maybe they understood it best. It certainly appears to be true. Trump's best bet was to act as the bipartisan bridge to fulfill his own campaign promises of helping people. He betrayed his own campaign when he jumped in bed with the GOP and their dogma.

You may have missed the larger strategy. The reason to appoint Democrats to cabinet positions is you choose a few from states with Republican governors who get to appoint Republican replacements or at least pliable Democrats.

 

[IronWing]

Unless a Dem senator was positive about losing the seat in the next election, I can't see any of them agreeing to a cabinet position, even before the Trump admin showed itself to be a disaster. Even Rep senators were leery. Cabinet is a dead-end job as far as elected office goes. Plenty of private sector openings afterward, I suppose.

 

[K1052]

Unless a Dem senator was positive about losing the seat in the next election, I can't see any of them agreeing to a cabinet position, even before the Trump admin showed itself to be a disaster. Even Rep senators were leery. Cabinet is a dead-end job as far as elected office goes. Plenty of private sector openings afterward, I suppose.

Would depend how you like your 2018 chances. As a D in a red state back in January maybe not so excited to run for re-election...these days you couldn't pry them out with a crowbar and a case of dynamite.

 

[lopri]

While I think one should aways be suspicious of Paul I'm getting the sense he knew this was probably doomed and piled on. Nothing he loves more than sticking it to the leadership when it doesn't really cost him anything.

But if he were to be one of the deciding votes, would it not cost him something?

 

[vi edit]

Unless a Dem senator was positive about losing the seat in the next election, I can't see any of them agreeing to a cabinet position, even before the Trump admin showed itself to be a disaster. Even Rep senators were leery. Cabinet is a dead-end job as far as elected office goes. Plenty of private sector openings afterward, I suppose.

Exactly. I don't know how many would even considered it if offered. They know they weaken an already underdog minority and would have to hitch their wagon to the shitshow that is this administration. Only to last for how long? Nope. Respectfully decline that offer.

 

[Stokely]

I give McCain tons of credit for saying this:
"I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried."

That's a statement from someone who doesn't have decades of politics in front of him...and/or, some integrity and backbone. I've been very critical of McCain but that takes courage even with his age and health issues to *gasp* actually want to work with the devils on the other side. He'll be Hitler to GOP voters for saying things like this and if he actually does vote No.

 

[K1052]

But if he were to be one of the deciding votes, would it not cost him something?

If he didn't think McCain, Collins, or Murkowski would flip it's not that risky. Probably lots of rumblings from another half dozen GOP senators who were unhappy and looking for ways not to take a vote, again

 

[Puffnstuff]

I respect what McCain said and if you haven't listened to his entire statement you can catch it on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/john-mccain-health-care/index.html

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm rather surprised such an idea would originate from the Republicans given the political climate out there. But maybe they understood it best. It certainly appears to be true. Trump's best bet was to act as the bipartisan bridge to fulfill his own campaign promises of helping people. He betrayed his own campaign when he jumped in bed with the GOP and their dogma.

Betrayal? It's the essence of the Con.... You don't think Trump actually believes his own bullshit, do you?

 

[zinfamous]

I give McCain tons of credit for saying this:
"I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried."

That's a statement from someone who doesn't have decades of politics in front of him...and/or, some integrity and backbone. I've been very critical of McCain but that takes courage even with his age and health issues to *gasp* actually want to work with the devils on the other side. He'll be Hitler to GOP voters for saying things like this and if he actually does vote No.

I'm not ready to jump on the McCain bandwagon. Having no fear of consequences in politics isn't really bravery. His current health issues and his current perspective on this is much like the "as a father of a girl, I find domestic abuse disturbing!" type of people.

Empathy is about connecting with the problems of people, and other people, that you simply don't have. I've yet to see that, really, from McCain, much less a single republican.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maine is like W Virginia with oceanfront-

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/maine-governor-lepage-population-decline.html?mcubz=0

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yeah, this was unexpectedly candid interview with McCain about the Comey hearing. I was entertained.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12256301/mccain-comey-hearing/

“I had these questions laid out that I had discussed and, honest to God, two minutes before it was my turn, [the aide] hands me this app from Lindsey,” McCain said.

But while McCain was reading the message from Graham—aides said that it was an email, not an app—the screen on the phone the staffer had handed him went black. Without a passcode, McCain couldn’t reopen it to keep reading. “I was looking at it and, naturally, the message fades,” McCain recalled. “I think, ‘What the fuck am I going to do here?’” McCain then heard the chairman of the committee, Senator Richard Burr, call his name.

Though McCain might have reverted to the questions he’d prepared, he said he pressed on out of a sense of loyalty and respect to Graham. “I can’t tell you how important our relationship is, and I knew that this must be important. So I started out trying to remember what was on the app, and, anyway, to make a long story short, I fucked it up.”

I still wonder if he would have beat Obama had he not tagged Palin as his stoogey sidekick. I think he actually would have been a decent President.

You're giving him credit for basically being derailed into asking completely stupid question that was clearly partisan hackery? That he put his own questions aside to be led into that just because he was such a friend to Graham? WTF?

I don't. I find it kinda reprehensible that you almost seem to give him a pass on ok'ing Palin being his running mate for one. As for being a decent President, McCain has shown to be a typical Republican. He spouts straight up nonsense with far too much regularity for one (hey guys, remember Russia's just a gas station!?!). We'd also almost certainly have been at war with Iran as well.

People forget that McCain enabled the Savings and Loan bullshit (he basically got cleared over BS like how a lot of his support was when he was in the House and thus not subject to Senate oversight or that basically he realized earlier what was about to happen so he backed off on the official means of trying to help the guy; McCain was probably the most buddy-buddy with Keating though). That cost American taxpayers over $100billion back in the late 80s. He doesn't seem to have gotten any tougher about his stance towards shit like that either.

Or it would have been closer at least. I think he would have been a pretty conventional R president in the mold of a significantly smarter GWBish approach. I don't love his hawkishness but he wouldn't have actively tried to harm the country through the unique mix of malice and incompetence that we now get to enjoy.

I don't get how people can say that, McCain has been pretty in step with most of the overwhelming bullshit the GOP has been pushing. Hell, he's straight up saying he'd be totally on board with their health care plans if they'd have just followed procedure. That people are giving him a pass for him saying he's totally fine with it other than the bureaucratic bullshit part of things is flabbergasting. I get people being sick of Trump's complete disregard of basic decency, but just because McCain likes to dress up them fucking people, it leads to the same results (worse actually, because McCain basically looks for ways to make it harder to undo their fuckups, while Trump's running mouth helps undermine his despicable actions regularly).

I give McCain tons of credit for saying this:
"I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried."

That's a statement from someone who doesn't have decades of politics in front of him...and/or, some integrity and backbone. I've been very critical of McCain but that takes courage even with his age and health issues to *gasp* actually want to work with the devils on the other side. He'll be Hitler to GOP voters for saying things like this and if he actually does vote No.

I don't. Those are empty words. He just says that to try and give people defending the GOP completely outright refusing to work with Democrats something to point at to dispute it. Look at his actions more. He's played ball with the Republican obstructionism, and he's been pushing for the rampant warmongering idiocy that has permeated them for a while now.

Hell seems like the only reason those few times he's broken with GOP on voting has been over petty bullshit (that one EPA vote where basically he got pissed at something McConnell said; and the healthcare stuff he just seems to be pissed that they're not following decorum which actually seems more petty bullshit focused on McConnell).

Did you people also forget that he straight up said they'd refuse to vote on anyone that Hillary nominated for court (he said Supreme, but considering that Republicans were obstructing other court appointments, and that McCain straight up said it was because of partisanship that they wouldn't tolerate liberal appointee) if she won?

Or how many other fucking crazy, stupid, and stupid-crazy things he's said? Forgive the shitty obviously biased site (which actually is quite fair to McCain, it even tries to bypass blaming him for giving Palin such a soapbox, and even gives him plenty of credit), but scroll down and look at how full of shit and awful McCain has been.
https://republicinsanity.tumblr.com/post/121524253348/john-mccain

The guy is scum and you people are being duped because he's a two faced piece of shit. McCain is pretty much Trump (regularly flip-flops on opinions often at astonishing rates, takes weird joy in terrible personal insults that often have little to do with the issue and just seems to be about petty personal shit because he feels slighted), just that he learned to not be openly such a despicable asshole. But he definitely is still a despicable asshole. That is to say, John McCain is a consumate Republican politician.

I'd take an open asshole to someone like McCain, who tries to put on a dignified face to his awfulness just so people can go "gotta respect that". Fuck that. He's every bit as terrible as the other shit heel Republicans/politicians that people despise.

 

[Stokely]

He is a giant hypocrite and has a long history of being a wanker (ie, run of the mill republican), agreed...but he voted No against the earlier bill and it looks like he will with this one.

I'll take it, even if it makes him look like a hero to some. I want these bills defeated. It's got nothing to do with being "duped" into anything. On this one issue, I'm glad he's showing some backbone and I don't give a shit what the reason is. Next issue I'll take as it comes with him and the rest of them. It appears that he's one of the very few GOP politicians willing to stand against his own team on this issue and that is better than the rest of the flock that are going along with it in my book. Doesn't mean I'm buying McCain posters for my wall.