GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[VRAMdemon]

Although I think that Trumpcare is terrible policy, but its mere existence proves that the paradigm has permanently shifted and that the Democrats have won the foundational philosophical argument:

There is a responsibility of the federal government to ensure that the population has health insurance.

Clearly, the GOP differs wildly from the Dems in terms of (a) how many people the government should assist (as few as possible), and (b) how generous such assistance should be (as stringent as possible), but the Republicans know that the actual responsibility for the government to fulfill these functions now exists.

 

[agent00f]

No it's just the way it's worked the past few years. It didn't work. It led to my premiums ballooning. Republicans will reverse this. We're going to try it my way for awhile 'cause my way won the election.

Yeah I'm sure that not paying birth control for religious reasons is going to make healthcare cheap again.

This is what results when people are allowed to graduate without functional math education.

 

[Sea Ray]

I hate to break it to you but a lot of people paid for you when your wife got breast cancer. "I'm done paying for other people" ignores the people that have paid for you. It also ignores that in the future you and your wife are going to get sick again and other people are going to have to pay for you. It's easy to say I don't want to pay for other people at a time period in your life where you are paying for more than you use but you can't ignore the times when you've used for more than you've paid.

We are all stuck paying for each other so we should try to lower the overall costs, which this bill doesn't do.

Everyone did not pay for our maternity. That happened at the turn of the century. As for cancer, I don't think anyone wants that eliminated from their policy so it's a straw man.

 

[Sea Ray]

Yeah I'm sure that not paying birth control for religious reasons is going to make healthcare cheap again.

This is what results when people are allowed to graduate without functional math education.

Did you miss where I said it doesn't move the needle much?

 

[Chromagnus]

Everyone did not pay for our maternity. That happened at the turn of the century. As for cancer, I don't think anyone wants that eliminated from their policy so it's a straw man.

Why wouldn't young people with extremely low rates of cancer opt to buy policies that don't cover cancer when they'd be offered for 1/10 of the cost?

 

[agent00f]

Did you miss where I said it doesn't move the needle much?

I didn't miss where you keep going on about it and maternity or whatever to distract from the fantasy that american conservatism has any clue how to improve healthcare, or anything else for that matter.

This is what results when low edu/iq failures are told they're the Real brain trust.

 

[Thebobo]

The more I read of the plan the more I see how it screws with seniors. Where are going to be there sometime.

 

[Chromagnus]

The more I read of the plan the more I see how it screws with seniors. Where are going to be there sometime.

Yeah, Republican's pissing off AARP, who formally came out against this, was not something I saw coming.

 

[Sea Ray]

Why wouldn't young people with extremely low rates of cancer opt to buy policies that don't cover cancer when they'd be offered for 1/10 of the cost?

I don't agree with your hypothetical. If an insurance co has a plan that they can offer to young people for 1/10 the cost then God Bless them. That's none of my concern.

 

[Sea Ray]

Yeah, Republican's pissing off AARP, who formally came out against this, was not something I saw coming.

AARP has always been at odds with Republicans. AARP supported ACA just to give one example. Conservatives despise AARP politically

 

[Sea Ray]

I didn't miss where you keep going on about it and maternity or whatever to distract from the fantasy that american conservatism has any clue how to improve healthcare, or anything else for that matter.

This is what results when low edu/iq failures are told they're the Real brain trust.

You liberals had your 8 yrs. Now it's our turn

 

[agent00f]

You liberals had your 8 yrs. Now it's our turn

"You doctors had your chance, now it's our turn at surgery" --dumbshits

 

[Thebobo]

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[Thebobo]

AARP has always been at odds with Republicans. AARP supported ACA just to give one example. Conservatives despise AARP politically

So what's new? What matters is 40 million AARP can carry a lot of weight.

 

[First]

There's nothing sacred about the term bare bones health plans. It may very well mean something different to you than to me. If you want to call it a catastrophic plan, fine. Neither term was on my policy. But the point is it doesn't cover all the crap that Obamacare has forced onto me. What do I need with maternity or birth control?

Yeah, again, you don't know the terms or what the purpose of insurance is. If you don't pay for maternity then someone else has to, that's how insurance works. By prioritizing pregnant women as a matter of public policy (should be a complete no brainer), the requirement for maternity on insurance plans makes complete sense. The alternative to leave it out for your rare use case would be, frankly, utterly against the public interest. There are far more pregnant women than self-employed people, and they have a far greater impact.

Call it catastrophic or bare-bones but this is what I was talking about:

Catastrophic health insurance plans provide bare-bones insurance coverage in exchange for low monthly premiums.

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...tastrophic-health-insurance-and-is-it-wo.aspx

Yes indeed, you had a catastrophic plan. Not a typical barebones one which don't (or didn't) cover major illnesses. I'm not an expert on the sactoking level, so he can feel free to chime in on this.

If he supports single payer, he could only be partisan if he supports many other left wing positions too. Are you sure that's what you're saying?

That's not true, nor is it what I'm saying.

 

[Sea Ray]

Yeah, again, you don't know the terms or what the purpose of insurance is. If you don't pay for maternity then someone else has to, that's how insurance works. By prioritizing pregnant women as a matter of public policy (should be a complete no brainer), the requirement for maternity on insurance plans makes complete sense. The alternative to leave it out for your rare use case would be, frankly, utterly against the public interest. There are far more pregnant women than self-employed people, and they have a far greater impact.

Well, we'll see what shakes out. Maternity may survive but many of the 1400+ regs will not.

 

[First]

Well, we'll see what shakes out. Maternity may survive but many of the 1400+ regs will not.

Nearly all the regs will survive, as Repubs will trip, fall and embarrass themselves when they don't pass anything at all, which is the new reality since Obama moved the goalposts left. I'm sorry you were so easily duped into believing your premium increases would be solved by voting for Repubs. My condolences to you and your family.

 

[Phokus]

So, keeping score:

Conservatives hate the plan (club for growth, freedomworks, heritage foundation, breitbart)

Liberals also hate the plan (obviously)

AARP and Hospitals have come out against the plan

I'm pretty sure i read estimates is that it's going to raise rates for everyone, so your average joe is going to be unhappy

I'm pretty sure i've missed a lot of other people/groups

They had, what, 8 years to give us a plan? They never had any intention of a replacement plan, they just wanted to yell and scream on the sidelines. Now that they're actually in charge, they are completely clueless. Republicans shouldn't be allowed to govern. I wouldn't trust these yahoos to run my city's animal control department.

 

[Bitek]

Yeah, Republican's pissing off AARP, who formally came out against this, was not something I saw coming.

Not to mention these are the people who actually vote en masse, esp in the midterms.

Instead they are going after a demographic that already hates them due to the rampant bigotry and don't vote (millennials) or the very wealthy who don't have the numbers (ie the 1%.)

Then again they are the ones who fund the GOP, so no shocker there.

 

[Sea Ray]

Nearly all the regs will survive, as Repubs will trip, fall and embarrass themselves when they don't pass anything at all, which is the new reality since Obama moved the goalposts left. I'm sorry you were so easily duped into believing your premium increases would be solved by voting for Repubs. My condolences to you and your family.

I disagree. I think the HHS secretary will drop a great deal of those regs. We'll see.

 

[sandorski]

I may have misunderstood his point...but I rather he speak directly for himself rather than through you as if you're somehow his designated personal proxy.

He was correct. A Republican Senator, a couple days back, essentially said what I posted in response to a question about people losing their Health Insurance from the passage of this Law. Everybody has access to Healthcare bitch. Just go to the Emergency Department!

 

[First]

I disagree. I think the HHS secretary will drop a great deal of those regs. We'll see.

You can't peal back most of those regulations during reconciliation, so it is literally impossible for him to "drop a great deal" of those regs unless by "great deal" you mean "a handful".

 

[First]

Although I think that Trumpcare is terrible policy, but its mere existence proves that the paradigm has permanently shifted and that the Democrats have won the foundational philosophical argument:

There is a responsibility of the federal government to ensure that the population has health insurance.

Clearly, the GOP differs wildly from the Dems in terms of (a) how many people the government should assist (as few as possible), and (b) how generous such assistance should be (as stringent as possible), but the Republicans know that the actual responsibility for the government to fulfill these functions now exists.

Indeed, the real win is that Obama moved the goalposts, they're playing on his turf. At least the moderate side of the Repubs, which is probably more than half of them. But not much more than half.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Not to mention these are the people who actually vote en masse, esp in the midterms.

I'm not sure that the Repubs want to win the midterms. I think they were completely unprepared to win all these seats and are now panicking. Their strategy was obstruction and now that they can't obstruct they have no plan to lead.

The more I think about it the more I realize that they get more donations complaining about what the Dems are doing than governing themselves, especially since they likely know that the policies that they have been touting will not work if actually implemented as sold. It is always easier to complain about someone else's ideas than to come up with ones of your own. Now that they have no one to complain about they don't know what to do. They have been trying to keep complaining about the last administration, but that is not working very well now that they are in charge, and the longer that they are in charge the less it will play with the American people and their big donors.

No, I think they would like the Dems to take back a lot of the seats so that Repubs have to compromise with them to get anything passed. That way they get to complain about the Dems and keep the money rolling in while not having to actually pass any of their policies that could blow up in their face.

My bet we are going to see the Repubs delay any real policy changes until after the midterms just for that reason.

 

[mect]

Indeed, the real win is that Obama moved the goalposts, they're playing on his turf. At least the moderate side of the Repubs, which is probably more than half of them. But not much more than half.

In general, it seems that once progress is made, repubs tend to jump on board since their constituents suddenly recognize these public services do have an actual, positive impact. They still aren't happy to have to pay for them, and they'll try to wriggle so that their side can get credit for the services, but they definitely don't want to lose them.