Mrvile
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I bought the last pack of Japanese Fujifilms from our local Best Buy a while back and now they only stock Taiwanese CD's, so for my second batch I just picked up the cheapest I could find. Some Dynex garbage. The Fujis (which I assume are TY) worked like a charm but the Dynex ones fail during burning every now and then. Which sucks. Next batch I'm going to get Verbatims, which I assume are going to be Taiwanese anyway but I hope they at least all work.
I do that too...Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I prefer to burn my TY +r's as -roms.
Noticed I said "DVD-R" media, and not "DVD" media.
Before I found that site from CDFreaks, I was always going to BestBuy to find "Made in Japan" FUJI 8x DVD+R's which were TY T02's at that time...Those were the days.
- Sep 25, 2004
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I've had great results with Taiyo Yuden and Ridata DVD-R's.
Burned over 600 dvd's the last few years.
Burned over 600 dvd's the last few years.
These Playos (MCC-004) I've bought for anything from $2.98 to $6.98 (after Staples rebate) a 60-pk spindle have burned flawlessly in two different DVD burners, and are read & played just fine by any DVD drive and standalone DVD player I've put'em in. After these are all through, I still have 5 25-pk Fuji spindles from a big sale a year or so ago, among the last 'Made in Japan' ones Best Buy, or anyone else ever carried. With all these blanks, I should be good to good to go... for another few weeks I guess.
My cousin hasn't had any probs with TDK media and similar burners, so I'll probably give those a shot next. Or maybe something cheap that doesn't look that cheap. Hmmm... research, research, gamble, gamble.
I just love walking that fine line between being a good Ferengi, and being cheap to a fault.
My cousin hasn't had any probs with TDK media and similar burners, so I'll probably give those a shot next. Or maybe something cheap that doesn't look that cheap. Hmmm... research, research, gamble, gamble.
I just love walking that fine line between being a good Ferengi, and being cheap to a fault.
Originally posted by: LordUnum
These Playos (MCC-004) I've bought for anything from $2.98 to $6.98 (after Staples rebate) a 60-pk spindle have burned flawlessly in two different DVD burners, and are read & played just fine by any DVD drive and standalone DVD player I've put'em in. After these are all through, I still have 5 25-pk Fuji spindles from a big sale a year or so ago, among the last 'Made in Japan' ones Best Buy, or anyone else ever carried. With all these blanks, I should be good to good to go... for another few weeks I guess.
My cousin hasn't had any probs with TDK media and similar burners, so I'll probably give those a shot next. Or maybe something cheap that doesn't look that cheap. Hmmm... research, research, gamble, gamble.
I just love walking that fine line between being a good Ferengi, and being cheap to a fault.
The reason the Playos work fine is because the media code(MMC-004) is the same code as used in some Verbatims. You apparently got lucky
Taiyo Yuden only. Accept no subsitutes.
You can buy cheaper brands or brands on sale with deals, etc. But when you try to read a data disc 4 years ago that has something on it thats very very important and ya get 'CRC Failure' , saving a few bucks on cheaper media will not be such a good deal.
Have to agree with Quasmo.. Sony media has been absolutely horrible, my last 100 pack, 65 of them failed verification.
You can buy cheaper brands or brands on sale with deals, etc. But when you try to read a data disc 4 years ago that has something on it thats very very important and ya get 'CRC Failure' , saving a few bucks on cheaper media will not be such a good deal.
Have to agree with Quasmo.. Sony media has been absolutely horrible, my last 100 pack, 65 of them failed verification.
Kelemvor
Lifer
- May 23, 2002
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What is the difference between Taiyo Yuden discs?
I find some with the code: DVD-R47ZZSB8
http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant....duct_Code=1736-100&Category_Code=DMRTY
or
******/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
And I also see some labeled: DVD-R47ZZ600SK-8
http://store.yahoo.com/meritline/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-media-silver-lacquer.html
Are they just TY has a Good line and a Best line? Or is everything TY makes better than the rest?
I find some with the code: DVD-R47ZZSB8
http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant....duct_Code=1736-100&Category_Code=DMRTY
or
******/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
And I also see some labeled: DVD-R47ZZ600SK-8
http://store.yahoo.com/meritline/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-media-silver-lacquer.html
Are they just TY has a Good line and a Best line? Or is everything TY makes better than the rest?
AMDZen
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- Apr 15, 2004
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I'm not sure why you call them Nazi's just because they KNOW what their talking about. Anyone who knows a lot about media types and using them in everything from their PS2 (ensuring compatibility) or long term storage (knowing that in 10 years it will still be readable) knows that its TY, MCC or nothing (BTW Verbatim is MCC which stands for Mitsubishi Chemical Company). Anyone who recommends other kinds of media over these are the Nazi's.
BTW, in case your wondering - I'm a long time member of CDFreaks and have spent countless hours doing testing with all kinds of media since DAY ONE. And by that I mean I owned the first internal CD-Writer for PC's on the market and have been burning media since. About 12-14 years now.
And in case your wondering about how you can do tests to compare long term storage and that kind of thing, here is a brief explanation. If I buy a POS Princo DVD and also a TY DVD and then burn the same thing onto both discs. Lets say I'm burning a movie that was shrunk via DVD Shrink and burned onto both disc's using the same burner, same firmware and same speed. I did this lets say 2 years ago, and then once a month every month for a year I did PI/PO error test on each disc using the same disc drive and then catalogue'd the results for that year. I could then graph the theoretical degree of degridation over a period of 5, 10, 20 and even 50 years.
After doing such extensive testing with many other people on that forum and others across the net, there are quite a few consistencies to be found. 1) After a certain point, burning a CD or DVD faster then said point contributes to quicker degridation of the media and the data contained therein. Its different for different media, burners and the firmware but basically a good rule of thumb is - don't burn DVD's faster then 8x, meaning don't burn at 16x. And for CD's don't burn faster then 32x - meaning no 48x. As I said this varies quite a bit.
And 2) TY media, namely the TYG02 is simply the best media there is - for ALL things (Single Layer any way) this is the second generation of Taiyo Yuden media BTW, with TYG03 and MCC media's of various generations coming in as a very close second but with more variation in results. And for Dual Layer its clearly Verbatim simply because there are only about 3-4 manufacturers of DVD-DL media right now and Verbatim is the only one thats at all even good. Of course there isn't near as much long term testing to be found with DL media yet.
Sorry for the novel
/thread
TY or MCC. i burn anything somewhat important to those discs.
i use cheap discs for sharing or passing around stuff.
i use cheap discs for sharing or passing around stuff.
AMDZen
Lifer
- Apr 15, 2004
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First, I don't know if this has been discussed but there are a LOT of fake TY media floating around. Namely in Europe and Asia though. However, I'm nearly positive that both places you linked are known for selling the real thing. More info can be had on the cdfreaks forums on this, as many have shown their results from distributors ALL over the world. Personally, I buy all my media http://www.******/
And to your second question, yes there is the VALUE line of media and also the "better" line, for lack of remembering what they call it. There isn't a whole lot of difference, but it really depends on what your using the media for. The value line TY is still better then anything else out there with the exception of MCC (keep in mind that other media brands will use both TY and MCC media as these are the manufacturers and they can be packaged as different brands). You can find TY at say BB or CompUSA and stuff, you want to look for TDK, Kodak, Fuji Film and I think there are other brands that sell it - you then want to look and see where there made. If it says made in Japan you have yourself TY Media. If it says made in Taiwan, I would just stay away.
The better line of TY media is more for certain things, but my research has shown very little difference in the value line versus the archive line, assuming your using a good burner with a proven firmware and a slower then optimal speed. But again, it depends on what your using the media for - if you are using it for a PS2 or perhaps you have older DVD players in your home you want them to be compatible with, if your archiving for long term storage, all of these things.
seems it took my link out, I buy mine at super-media-store (remove the dashes) and I can vouch that they are legit
AMDZen
Lifer
- Apr 15, 2004
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I'm pretty sure shop4tech has also been tested and that they are definetely shipping the real deal and not the fake stuff. Again, its not very common in the states to get the fake stuff unless your buying on eBay, but it has been known to happen. You will want to check CDFreaks for sure, I'll find the link and post it
I think this is the best of the bunch of threads you can find.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=112854
Thanks for this thread!
I've been using Sony DVD's since day one (2years ago) with no bad burns or CRC errors. I do burn slow though, at 4x.
I bought some Phillips on sale for $5 one time, and nearly all had CRC errors within 6 months. Thankfully they were just DVD movie backups.
But I'm about to edit/convert about 25 miniDV tapes, and I would hate for them not to last, so TY it is.
I've been using Sony DVD's since day one (2years ago) with no bad burns or CRC errors. I do burn slow though, at 4x.
I bought some Phillips on sale for $5 one time, and nearly all had CRC errors within 6 months. Thankfully they were just DVD movie backups.
But I'm about to edit/convert about 25 miniDV tapes, and I would hate for them not to last, so TY it is.
Kelemvor
Lifer
- May 23, 2002
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$31.99 with Free Shipping for 100 here:
100 Pack Taiyo Yuden Premium Line 8X DVD-R Media 4.7GB Silver Thermal Lacquer No Stacking Ring Blank DVDR Disc on Spindle, Free Ground Shipping
http://******.yahoo.net/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
Why does it edit that out?
Put Meritline dot stores where all those ***s are.
I ordered some of these earlier this week.
100 Pack Taiyo Yuden Premium Line 8X DVD-R Media 4.7GB Silver Thermal Lacquer No Stacking Ring Blank DVDR Disc on Spindle, Free Ground Shipping
http://******.yahoo.net/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
Why does it edit that out?
Put Meritline dot stores where all those ***s are.
I ordered some of these earlier this week.
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