God? What do you think:

[HAL9000]

Generally people who hold this viewpoint tend to think philosophy is people sitting around trying to prove whether a chair exists or not.

Philosophical subjects are of great importance to any civilization. What is justice? That is a philosophical question. More specifically, is the Patriot Act a worthwhile exchange of some of your freedoms for some security? To consider these questions is to delve into philosophy, and I'd hardly consider that a worthless exercise.

Agreed. Thankyou.

 

[Nik]

And there is the very bottom of the barrel. You finally said it straight up. Took you long enough. Don't know why it's so hard to get you to talk straight, wasting time with pointless arguments and trolling.

So there we are, you with no reason and me with plenty of reason. That is the basis of any discussion from now on.

Excuse me, dickhead, but what you quoted isn't something I've been secretly hiding or something.

I'm asking you for your evidence. You say you have plenty of reason. What reason is that? You'll never answer this question because you're nothing more than a worthless religionsly-blind-and-brainwashed knuckle dragging troll who loves to get into these discussions and twist what other people say (like you've just done) to fit your agenda.

I've always been absolutely straight with you so don't even play that I haven't been. I've asked you, directly, many times, questions that you are simply too much of a coward to answer.

Don't go pointing fingers at ME for the things that YOU are doing. YOU are the one who likes to play games, won't ever "talk straight" and likes to just disappear out of conversations you were so vigorously involved in when it comes to a simple question like "show us the evidence that has convinced you that your god exists."

I won't hold my breath because everyone -EVERYONE- knows that you won't answer this because you can't.

 

[HAL9000]

Excuse me, dickhead, but what you quoted isn't something I've been secretly hiding or something.

I'm asking you for your evidence. You say you have plenty of reason. What reason is that? You'll never answer this question because you're nothing more than a worthless religionsly-blind-and-brainwashed knuckle dragging troll who loves to get into these discussions and twist what other people say (like you've just done) to fit your agenda.

I've always been absolutely straight with you so don't even play that I haven't been. I've asked you, directly, many times, questions that you are simply too much of a coward to answer.

Don't go pointing fingers at ME for the things that YOU are doing. YOU are the one who likes to play games, won't ever "talk straight" and likes to just disappear out of conversations you were so vigorously involved in when it comes to a simple question like "show us the evidence that has convinced you that your god exists."

I won't hold my breath because everyone -EVERYONE- knows that you won't answer this because you can't.

It's not that he's a coward, it's that he doesn't have the answer and is attempting to bluff...

 

[Nik]

I don't understand why you're butting in.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Generally people who hold this viewpoint tend to think philosophy is people sitting around trying to prove whether a chair exists or not.

Philosophical subjects are of great importance to any civilization. What is justice? That is a philosophical question. More specifically, is the Patriot Act a worthwhile exchange of some of your freedoms for some security? To consider these questions is to delve into philosophy, and I'd hardly consider that a worthless exercise.

I wouldn't necessarily say that philosophy is "worthless," but I do think its relative "worth" is overestimated. I will stipulate that it is a method for the pursuit of truth, but its truth is in a category that is different from religious or scientific truth.

It goes like this: truth can be absolute, objective, and connect with reality, but it is only capable of achieving at most two of those qualities simultaneously.

For example, truth can be absolute and objective, but then it does not connect with reality. This is mathematical/logical truth.

Truth can be objective and connect with reality, but then it cannot be absolute. This is scientific truth.

Finally, truth can be absolute and connect with reality, but then it cannot be objective. This is religious truth.

Philosophy, in the most rigorous sense, is mathematical/logical truth. It is simply the study of how words fit together -- words which were made up by us in the first place. We can agree on definitions and then look to see the implications of the definitions we've accepted, but this has nothing at all to do with reality.

 

[HAL9000]

I don't understand why you're butting in.

Two reasons:

1) For shits and giggles
2) Because his lies piss me off too

 

[zinfamous]

Generally people who hold this viewpoint tend to think philosophy is people sitting around trying to prove whether a chair exists or not.

Philosophical subjects are of great importance to any civilization. What is justice? That is a philosophical question. More specifically, is the Patriot Act a worthwhile exchange of some of your freedoms for some security? To consider these questions is to delve into philosophy, and I'd hardly consider that a worthless exercise.

yep. the foundation of modern western thought is complete garbage, obviously.

Plato and Aristotle be damned!

And outside of the tangible things that we have achieved through philosophy, the capacity for philosophical thought is one of those core ideas that helps us settle "what is human?"

 

[HAL9000]

yep. the foundation of modern western thought is complete garbage, obviously.

Plato and Aristotle be damned!

And outside of the tangible things that we have achieved through philosophy, the capacity for philosophical thought is one of those core ideas that helps us settle "what is human?"

Absolutely and philosophical thought is philosophy!

P.S. Plato was awesome.

 

[xaeniac]

there are no atheist in foxholes

 

[jonks]

there are no atheist in foxholes

This is only true because foxes aren't capable of the higher cognitive functions required to ponder belief or nonbelief in a cosmic entity, nor the physical capability to voice such beliefs should they in fact hold them. So nyaa.

 

[HAL9000]

This is only true because foxes aren't capable of the higher cognitive functions required to ponder belief or nonbelief in a cosmic entity, nor the physical capability to voice such beliefs should they in fact hold them. So nyaa.

Wouldn't that mean they aren't theists either... Unable to comprehend a deity or believe one way or another.

 

[destrekor]

there are no atheist in foxholes

My parents have constantly told me that.

If I ever get deployed, I'll have everything in order just in case I don't return. I'll accept whatever happens, and even in tough situations I've never called upon a god to save my skin.

Personally, I find asking god for safety or a happy afterlife while in a foxhole a comical concept. I mean, by doing this, you are implying God is going to favor your side over the other side.
And really, to this god guy, it must be hilarious to watch us little humans destroy each other over territory. And to think, half the time battles are "for god and country." It must be pretty flattering for this god fella.
And hell... one side is going to be praying to their god for victory, and another side is going to be praying to their own version of god. Sometimes, the participants on both sides even share the same beliefs.

 

[Malak]

You are not interested in truth, you are interested in assigning fiction as truth. Also it's not the opposite at all, that is you again stating fiction as fact. Unless your reply is the proof you implied you had earlier, I have nothing more to say to someone who lies.

I have never lied. You are the one assigning fiction as truth, because nothing I have stated was fiction. You assume without cause that it is fiction. So long as you assume such things, proof is meaningless. As I said before, you don't want to believe.

 

[Malak]

And really, to this god guy, it must be hilarious to watch us little humans destroy each other over territory. And to think, half the time battles are "for god and country." It must be pretty flattering for this god fella.
And hell... one side is going to be praying to their god for victory, and another side is going to be praying to their own version of god. Sometimes, the participants on both sides even share the same beliefs.

That's the really sad thing, that countries have fought in the name of the same God, and God has no business with any of them.

 

[HAL9000]

I have never lied. You are the one assigning fiction as truth, because nothing I have stated was fiction. You assume without cause that it is fiction. So long as you assume such things, proof is meaningless. As I said before, you don't want to believe.

Here's a lie from you:

That is inaccurate, I am interested in the truth regardless of source as well. You imply God and science are mutually exclusive, when it is the opposite.

Here's you saying you have a proof:

The same proof that you exist can prove God exists.

Explain. I'm assuming you wont reply with anything relevant to the above. I don't WANT to believe, I want the truth, I'm not biased in one direction or the other. Wanting to believe is your problem, if you want to think the earth is flat you will.

 

[Malak]

Explain. I'm assuming you wont reply with anything relevant to the above. I don't WANT to believe, I want the truth, I'm not biased in one direction or the other. Wanting to believe is your problem, if you want to think the earth is flat you will.

If you weren't biased you wouldn't continually insult me, would you? You continue to make assumptions about me that are unfounded, showing clear bias to your beliefs. You are not interested in the truth.

Get rid of your beliefs, then you can know truth. They taught that in Dogma

 

[Mide]

Agnostic - I don't know and nobody else does either.

 

[Malak]

Agnostic - I don't know and nobody else does either.

I have a friend who feels the same way and takes it philosophically to the extreme, and I find it to be the oddest belief I've ever heard. It is one thing to believe one way or the other, but to believe that it's not possible to know something...

 

[HAL9000]

If you weren't biased you wouldn't continually insult me, would you? You continue to make assumptions about me that are unfounded, showing clear bias to your beliefs. You are not interested in the truth.

Get rid of your beliefs, then you can know truth. They taught that in Dogma

I make assumptions that you don't know what you are talking about you back it up every time you reply to me, because you make statements like this:

The same proof that you exist can prove God exists.

without explaining. Which leads me correctly to the position that you don't know what you are talking about, as I said you replied without any relevance to the issues I raised. The above quote is going in my sig until it is explained.

 

[zinfamous]

I love Malak. He has never answered a single question in his history of posting in these forums when confronted with challenges to his source of "Truth," and he never backs down. the same "turn-ti-around-on-you," dodge, dodge, obfuscate, dodge, create ponderous belief structures that no one outside of Malak is capable of accepting, let alone approaching, dodge, obfuscate, mumo-jombo.

and you guys continue to take him seriously.

 

[HAL9000]

I love Malak. He has never answered a single question in his history of posting in these forums when confronted with challenges to his source of "Truth," and he never backs down. the same "turn-ti-around-on-you," dodge, dodge, obfuscate, dodge, create ponderous belief structures that no one outside of Malak is capable of accepting, let alone approaching, dodge, obfuscate, mumo-jombo.

and you guys continue to take him seriously.

Perhaps I should just accept he is a joke, a character that someone has created.

 

[Malak]

I love Malak. He has never answered a single question in his history of posting in these forums when confronted with challenges to his source of "Truth," and he never backs down. the same "turn-ti-around-on-you," dodge, dodge, obfuscate, dodge, create ponderous belief structures that no one outside of Malak is capable of accepting, let alone approaching, dodge, obfuscate, mumo-jombo.

and you guys continue to take him seriously.

I answer questions all the time. I don't answer questions previously already answered.

 

[HAL9000]

I answer questions all the time. I don't answer questions previously already answered.

The same proof that you exist can prove God exists.

Never answered.

 

[Malak]

Never answered.

No question presented.

 

[zinfamous]

see, He just doesn't stop! "I have already answered these questions!"

"where, Malak, where have you answered these questions?"

"They are there, for you to see. They have already been answered. I see no reason to re-answer what has already been said."


lulz