God? What do you think:

[HAL9000]

No question presented.

Oh I'm sorry you missed these:

No your right I'm not being biased in one way or the other, I'm interested in the TRUTH, unlike you, I don't care if the truth comes from a god or science, just as long as it is a logical truth.

Now you were going to give us your proof?

Where's all this mountainous evidence that proves any god exists?

I won't hold my breath for you to answer, as always, because everybody knows you won't answer.

Here's the question:
EXPLAIN THE PROOF YOU STATED EXISTS

 

[Malak]

Here's the question:
EXPLAIN THE PROOF YOU STATED EXISTS

I'm perplexed at what needs explaining. It was pretty straightforward. How do you prove you or any other entity exists? By the same method, you prove God exists.

 

[HAL9000]

No your right I'm not being biased in one way or the other, I'm interested in the TRUTH, unlike you, I don't care if the truth comes from a god or science, just as long as it is a logical truth.

Now you were going to give us your proof?

I'm perplexed at what needs explaining. It was pretty straightforward. How do you prove you or any other entity exists? By the same method, you prove God exists.

Firstly you can't prove god exists.

Secondly the way I prove I exist, is:

I Think therefore I am, this cannot be applied to god.

 

[Malak]

Secondly the way I prove I exist, is:

I Think therefore I am, this cannot be applied to god.

Why not?

 

[zinfamous]

guys: here's a tip, for someone who fundamentally believes that Truth = God, the creator of all, then merely understanding that you exist is enough proof that God exists.

Get it?

that is the end of his logical structure. He sees no need to go beyond why or how God exists, b/c God is all. Something never needed to come from nothing, b/c God is that nothing, and God is that something. That is where truth ends, and where science dies.

but it doesn't matter.

 

[DCal430]

Atheist here.

 

[HAL9000]

Why not?

Because I know that I am thinking, I cannot know that god is.

 

[HAL9000]

guys: here's a tip, for someone who fundamentally believes that Truth = God, the creator of all, then merely understanding that you exist is enough proof that God exists.

Get it?

that is the end of his logical structure. He sees no need to go beyond why or how God exists, b/c God is all. Something never needed to come from nothing, b/c God is that nothing, and God is that something. That is where truth ends, and where science dies.

but it doesn't matter.

There must be more to his reason than "God did it, because he did it"

 

[Malak]

Because I know that I am thinking, I cannot know that god is.

Do you know what I'm thinking? Yet I exist. How do you know I exist?

 

[HAL9000]

Do you know what I'm thinking? Yet I exist. How do you know I exist?

I don't.

I think therefore Iam.

I never mentioned you.

 

[zinfamous]

There must be more to his reason than "God did it, because he did it"

why should there be?

does it concern you? When he gets on the local schoolboard and starts influencing your kid's education, then you should be concerned.

I say let them poison themselves and their own kids, make their life contributions as irrelevant as they want them to be, so long as they aren't poisoning the public well.

 

[Malak]

I don't.

I think therefore Iam.

I never mentioned you.

Ok so you don't know I exist, but you must accept it is possible otherwise communicating with me is pointless. You don't communicate with God because you think he doesn't exist. If you were interested in truth, you would seek it. You don't. You sit there doing everything you can to justify your position without taking a moment to consider possibilities. Your mind is closed. Open your mind, and you will find proof. Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the Matrix is...

 

[HAL9000]

why should there be?

does it concern you? When he gets on the local schoolboard and starts influencing your kid's education, then you should be concerned.

I say let them poison themselves and their own kids, make their life contributions as irrelevant as they want them to be, so long as they aren't poisoning the public well.

While I completely agree, what concerns me is that he is arguing with me, basing his beliefs on logic and proofs that he says he have. This concerns me because perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps my philosophy degree has not covered something that I need to know, if there is a god obviously I missed that lecture and I'm open to learn, when someone says they have a logical proof or evidence of something that you don't it's always good to try. I assumed there was more to it than a lack of all reason. <---- My mistake.

 

[Malak]

why should there be?

does it concern you? When he gets on the local schoolboard and starts influencing your kid's education, then you should be concerned.

I say let them poison themselves and their own kids, make their life contributions as irrelevant as they want them to be, so long as they aren't poisoning the public well.

How is anything I have said that I believe a poison? I spend my life serving others, helping people. The only thing I preach is love, respecting one another, keeping peace. For what do you judge me by? Because you don't understand me?

 

[HAL9000]

Ok so you don't know I exist, but you must accept it is possible otherwise communicating with me is pointless. You don't communicate with God because you think he doesn't exist. If you were interested in truth, you would seek it. You don't. You sit there doing everything you can to justify your position without taking a moment to consider possibilities. Your mind is closed. Open your mind, and you will find proof. Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the Matrix is...

OK I'll grant you that I have to assume you exist in order to communicate with you, however I do that because I am able to perceive other humans existence, so perceiving that you exist is no great stretch, I meet people every day, if someone says to me "you know other people exist in the world that you haven't met" I can accept that because people exist based on my perception.

That being said if the same person says to me "You know unicorns exist" I'd have no reason, either logical or perceptual to agree with them. Based on all my study there is no valid proof of the existence of unicorns or god. My mind is open, but I wont force myself to believe in something there is no proof for or no evidence of. There is no logical reason to call the universe evidence of god before you say that other than the statement "but it's amazing it must have been created" that is not evidence that is disbelief in chaos, randomness and logic.

If I started thinking that god exists and trying to communicate with him, my initial atheist view would be re-inforced as there would be no response <--- Raised christian.

 

[HAL9000]

How is anything I have said that I believe a poison? I spend my life serving others, helping people. The only thing I preach is love, respecting one another, keeping peace. For what do you judge me by? Because you don't understand me?

Because preaching lies, or "facts" with no explanation is dangerous and basically evil.

 

[wuliheron]

How would you square that with China? They have a very high percentage of atheists/agnostics with most of the remaining people believing in religions that are barely religions. They are arguably more capitalistic than the US and while I am no expert on it, I believe they are fairly "classist".

Until very recently China was extremely communist, anti-religion, etc. As they have become more tolerant and capitalistic religions like Christianity have been growing. In recent years there has been a resurgence of interest in traditional religions like Taoism.

Historically Asian religions have learned to embrace alternative beliefs as a means of protecting themselves from political vagaries. Thus a Taoist temple will also teach Confucianism and Buddhism even though there are significant differences between them. Within such an accepting environment you can even occasionally find a priest that will admit to being agnostic. However, Taoist temples nonetheless are usually guarded by a statue of a giant demon and the common belief is that the human body alone possesses six thousand different gods. Not exactly what I would describe as "barely" a religion. If pressed as to why a priest might teach such things if they didn't believe in them themselves, they are likely to say that it really seems to work for some people.

 

[Kev]

I'm perplexed at what needs explaining. It was pretty straightforward. How do you prove you or any other entity exists? By the same method, you prove God exists.

This is why philosophy is worthless.

 

[Malak]

OK I'll grant you that I have to assume you exist in order to communicate with you, however I do that because I am able to perceive other humans existence, so perceiving that you exist is no great stretch, I meet people every day, if someone says to me "you know other people exist in the world that you haven't met" I can accept that because people exist based on my perception.

That being said if the same person says to me "You know unicorns exist" I'd have no reason, either logical or perceptual to agree with them. Based on all my study there is no valid proof of the existence of unicorns or god. My mind is open, but I wont force myself to believe in something there is no proof for or no evidence of. There is no logical reason to call the universe evidence of god before you say that other than the statement "but it's amazing it must have been created" that is not evidence that is disbelief in chaos, randomness and logic.

If I started thinking that god exists and trying to communicate with him, my initial atheist view would be re-inforced as there would be no response <--- Raised christian.

Ahh, but unicorns do exist. Like God, they were what I call mythed up. The limited experiences with them created fabulous stories. Unicorns created legends, God created religion. But religion is not God, and the legends aren't entirely accurate about unicorns either. Unicorns are not horses, they are deer. The single horn is an extremely rare birth defect where a deer has a single antler coming directly out the forehead.

I assure you, the reason I know God exists is just as logical as the reason I believe you exist. I have never asked anyone to simply believe for the sake of believing, that is nonsense. I only suggest to be open minded, accept possibilities. Evaluate reality with a clear head, rather than applying your assumptions to it. Your perception is skewed and there is much you never see because when you assume things don't exist you never look for them. Assume God does exist, then consider what you should be looking for. That is how so many discoveries occurred in history, right?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You don't communicate with God because you think he doesn't exist.

This is not true for me. I do not communicate with a god because no god communicates with me.

If you were interested in truth, you would seek it. You don't. You sit there doing everything you can to justify your position without taking a moment to consider possibilities. Your mind is closed. Open your mind, and you will find proof. Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the Matrix is...

Ad hominem is a fallacy.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Ahh, but unicorns do exist. Like God, they were what I call mythed up. The limited experiences with them created fabulous stories. Unicorns created legends, God created religion. But religion is not God, and the legends aren't entirely accurate about unicorns either. Unicorns are not horses, they are deer. The single horn is an extremely rare birth defect where a deer has a single antler coming directly out the forehead.

What is your god's analogue to the mutant deer?

 

[HAL9000]

Ahh, but unicorns do exist. Like God, they were what I call mythed up. The limited experiences with them created fabulous stories. Unicorns created legends, God created religion. But religion is not God, and the legends aren't entirely accurate about unicorns either. Unicorns are not horses, they are deer. The single horn is an extremely rare birth defect where a deer has a single antler coming directly out the forehead.

I assure you, the reason I know God exists is just as logical as the reason I believe you exist. I have never asked anyone to simply believe for the sake of believing, that is nonsense. I only suggest to be open minded, accept possibilities. Evaluate reality with a clear head, rather than applying your assumptions to it. Your perception is skewed and there is much you never see because when you assume things don't exist you never look for them. Assume God does exist, then consider what you should be looking for. That is how so many discoveries occurred in history, right?

I'm out, I tried.

 

[Malak]

What is your god's analogue to the mutant deer?

A god that finds a religion's traditions, rules, and rites to be holy and necessary.

 

[Juddog]

A god that finds a religion's traditions, rules, and rites to be holy and necessary.

If God is omnipotent, then why does he need traditions, rules and rites?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

A god that finds a religion's traditions, rules, and rites to be holy and necessary.

This doesn't answer my question.

You claimed that the mythological unicorn is based on a natural animal observable in reality. Where is the natural observable version of god?