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[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
you're aware that nobody really buys manual transmissions right?

that tranny will prob come out to under 10% of their sales of the fusion, which will already have trouble turning in profit compared to its competitors.

Well if they don't sell a lot they will lose profit but I doubt they will lose on a per car basis. Besides, the word is out, competitors are of no better quality than this Ford and at a much higher price. If your gonna keep a car for awhile and are not worried about residual values this car is a bargain..

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Ford is still not up to the quality of Honda and toyota.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
Ford is still not up to the quality of Honda and toyota.

Honda and Toyota have been sliding for about a decade, and Ford/GM have been improving (Chrysler has not, sadly).

I'd say they're about equal at this point. Also, Mazda3 is a far better overall vehicle than a Civic or Corolla.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Ford estimates that 5% (or less) of Fusion/Milan buyers will option for the stick

Looks like a money loser then...

The only losers are Americans with their lazy ignorant asses who want slushbox transmissions.

:thumbsup:

I agree overwhelmingly. Or fat old blokes driving corvettes.

That interior looks on par with the Audi A4 as well, maybe even (dare I say) better.

Ford's finally pulling out the big guns. :thumbsup:

Now, put that six speed manual on the 2011 mustang and we're all set.

Also, slushboxes will continue to be in big demand, all the women drivers too lazy to learn how to drive properly, all the morons continually bitching about how they need an automatic, all that will go on, but Ford at least provides the option, which is better than say GM or Chrysler.

Also, Ford has improved a lot more than GM or Chrysler, so that might sell right there.


Also, people bitching about driving a manual in heavy traffic: I've done it quite a bit. It ain't fun, but if you're conditioned (which apparently 30% of Americans aren't) it isn't all that bad.

And coasting in neutral + gravity is your friend.

:Q

 

[JMapleton]

A manual only belongs in a sports car, your madza is not a sports car.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JMapleton
A manual only belongs in a sports car, your madza is not a sports car.

You have a great sense of fun.


You definitely get invited to parties a lot.

 

[JMapleton]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: JMapleton
A manual only belongs in a sports car, your madza is not a sports car.

You have a great sense of fun.


You definitely get invited to parties a lot.

Putting a manual in a family car for the purpose of enjoyment of driving is like taking a squirt gun to a shooting range.

I'm only being realistic. I'm the type of person who does something right or doesn't do it at all.

 

[TehMac]

Do you just do missionary in bed with the lights out too?

 

[LTC8K6]

It's a Mazda tranny anyway...

 

[LTC8K6]

When the Taurus first came out, there was an MT5 model. 4 cylinders and 5 do it yourself cogs.

You could even get the combo in the wagon.

http://www.taurusclub.com/ency...edia/G1/87mt5wagon.jpg

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: TehMac
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That interior looks on par with the Audi A4 as well, maybe even (dare I say) better.

You just CAN'T be serious? Are you??

Audi A4? From which year? It's not better than a 2005 Audi A4 let alone the 2010 Audi A4!

Have you ever been inside an Audi A4? Not even close.

Hell the interior is NOT even "on par" with the 2009 Honda Accord if you want to hear the truth.

Also, slushboxes will continue to be in big demand, all the women drivers too lazy to learn how to drive properly, all the morons continually bitching about how they need an automatic, all that will go on, but Ford at least provides the option, which is better than say GM or Chrysler.

Well, I have always chosen and purchased manual cars over automatic, it's a much better drive. But what makes you think those who drive Automatic become "Automatically" morons?
You realize the need for automatic cars outwighs the need for manual and you call people morons for it? I like to drive Manual as much as the next guy, but plenty of manual fans have to face the reality of their commute and buy automatic....if not sequential.

Hell, I bet you will find tons of those members right here in this forum too.

Also, Ford has improved a lot more than GM or Chrysler, so that might sell right there.

Yet they still get the better fords in Europe.

I will start respecting Ford when they start making cars that would actually win over non-die hard American buyers.

How about making some good stuff. Like I don't know.... Make that Fusion, with a decent interior, something that could at least surpass a freaking Accord, add a a RWD / AWD platform, an Automatic-Sequential / Manual option with I4 and a V6 (V6 option available for both auto and manual)? I6 option instead of V6 would be Fantastic!
But I doubt Ford has the balls or brains to pull such moves. They wait till the market tanks on them, and then they think....."Hmmm, what should we add now...that we should have had long time ago to win the customers we lost long time ago?"

Oh that's right, they can't do those things and compete. Ford, GM and Chrysler are barely making it despite all the compromises. But hey, let's add an abomination of a Chrome additive to the entire front to help sell this :disgust:

What's next? Chromed hoods? Standard chrome spinners ??

No they think they can stick to the same ole low-quality-interior-FWD_Always-Automatic_Trans_with anything_above_a_4_cylinder_hideous_cheesy_exterior_touches (i.e Bulging blobs and Chrome fronts ughh!) platform!

Also, people bitching about driving a manual in heavy traffic: I've done it quite a bit. It ain't fun, but if you're conditioned (which apparently 30% of Americans aren't) it isn't all that bad.

Not all that bad?

I remember once, I got stuck on the highway on an occasion..
To get through 2 miles of highway, I almost lost sensation in my left leg and I am not joking. When I got home my leg was so freaking sore... God knows how much wear was put on my clutch that day. But had I done that everyday I am pretty sure my trans/clutch would give in after 20K
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The only manufacturers that I can think of that American manufacturers don't compromise more than, are the Chinese LOL

Now, put that six speed manual on the 2011 mustang and we're all set.

Hell even Huyndai is now challenging the sales of cars like the Mustang.
I have never been into buying either Fords nor Hyundais (due to low quality history).

But today, in all seriousness, if I am given the option to choose between Hyundai and Ford.
I would be drifting my way in a Genesis coupe out of the dealreship faster than you can say Anyoung!

Oh and to add to that conclusion. I would take the better interior, styling and options Pontiac G8 (good ole RWD, 6spd Manual + 6 cylinder goodness and no chrome additives) ) over a fusion any day any time

You call that"Ford's finally pulling out the big guns. :thumbsup:"?

I'll tell you what, back in the mid 90s, I drove a 5-speed manual, RWD I6 300E Mercedes E-class.

Till now, I would still take it's quality inside and out and interior over %90 of what the American market has to offer right now.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
Ford is still not up to the quality of Honda and toyota.

Honda and Toyota have been sliding for about a decade, and Ford/GM have been improving (Chrysler has not, sadly).

I'd say they're about equal at this point. Also, Mazda3 is a far better overall vehicle than a Civic or Corolla.

I will have to agree with you on this one. My 01 corolla was a piece of shit. I bought into the hype and was greatly disappointed.

 

[LTC8K6]

Pontiac G8 (good ole RWD, 6spd Manual + 6 cylinder goodness

You can get the manual with the V6?

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Pontiac G8 (good ole RWD, 6spd Manual + 6 cylinder goodness

You can get the manual with the V6?

No you are right.
I used to think the manual was an option for the V6. But I would still take that car over whatever FWD crap Ford is throwing my way. You could still at least get the GXP with a Manual.


But that is straight down foolish. Here GM drops the ball. Freaking Honda is offering manual tran on the V6 Accord (of course no RWD in sight for Accord ...why Honda oh why ) and yet GM doesn't offer the manual option on the V6 G8. The G8 is supposed to be a performance flagship sedan.
Why no Manual option? One should not have to upgrade to V8 to get manual. Either offer it in all of G8 line up or don't at all. Or at least build to order.....ehhhh

 

[LTC8K6]

G8 should have the DI version of the V6 with a 6MT. That would be nice.

Too bad they don't offer the DI version even with an auto...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Seems like a nice enough car, but I'd rather see a turbo-charged 4 or 6 under the hood. And in the end a Cobalt SS is still (presumably) faster.

 

[LTC8K6]

A turbo version of the DI V6 would be impressive, I'd think.

Perhaps turbos will gain more favor soon.

 

[zerocool84]

I guess I'm one of the few here that doesn't get the elitism with manual tranny. I could care less what someone else drives in their car. People want auto trannies so that's what the companies make.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
A turbo version of the DI V6 would be impressive, I'd think.

Perhaps turbos will gain more favor soon.

You mean like Ford's Ecoboost line? Wouldn't be surprised to see the 4 banger version in the fusion.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Ford estimates that 5% (or less) of Fusion/Milan buyers will option for the stick

Looks like a money loser then...

The only losers are Americans with their lazy ignorant asses who want slushbox transmissions.

Sad generalization. I like my slushbox, but the car is a drag racer. I challenge anyone to be as consistent in a manual car vs. an auto. Even the best shifters in the world struggle with such a feat.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Ford estimates that 5% (or less) of Fusion/Milan buyers will option for the stick

Looks like a money loser then...

The only losers are Americans with their lazy ignorant asses who want slushbox transmissions.

Sad generalization. I like my slushbox, but the car is a drag racer. I challenge anyone to be as consistent in a manual car vs. an auto. Even the best shifters in the world struggle with such a feat.

for drag racing, autos offer consistency in times. but can you imagine the travesty of a lotus elise with an auto?

 

[Bignate603]

While I prefer a manual I would go nuts in stop and go traffic with one. My car for fun has a manual, my daily driver has an auto.

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
you're aware that nobody really buys manual transmissions right?

that tranny will prob come out to under 10% of their sales of the fusion, which will already have trouble turning in profit compared to its competitors.

You're very intelligent. You managed to deduce that because they'll produce 5% as manuals, sales of manual Fusions will be less than 10% of their total sales. I'm not sure how you got that so quickly.

The Fusion is being well-reviewed across the board. The only way they lose money on manuals is if they cost more to produce than they sell them for, the manuals cannibalize auto sales and autos have a higher margin, or they produce more manuals than there is demand to purchase.

The first isn't feasible. The second is unknown because Ford doesn't exactly give away it's ABCs. That leaves the third option, misunderstanding demand. I'll believe that Ford can better estimate demand for manual transmissions than you can, so let's just see how this pans out.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Ford estimates that 5% (or less) of Fusion/Milan buyers will option for the stick

Looks like a money loser then...

The only losers are Americans with their lazy ignorant asses who want slushbox transmissions.

Sad generalization. I like my slushbox, but the car is a drag racer. I challenge anyone to be as consistent in a manual car vs. an auto. Even the best shifters in the world struggle with such a feat.

for drag racing, autos offer consistency in times. but can you imagine the travesty of a lotus elise with an auto?

Who would pick a Lotus Elise for a serious drag car anyway.

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Who would pick a Lotus Elise for a serious drag car anyway.

I dunno what kind of car I would pick to dress up like a girl in..

oh, you meant the racing kind.