Give this guy a medal

[yllus]

The only reason we are so dependent on American aid today is because of Zardari's policy of filling his stomach while everyone else starves to death. To highlight this: Zardari moved to his Karachi residence which he has turned into a fortress; closed all four sides of the roads leading to it. I am guessing I live on the same electricity zone as he does. Before he came, we used to have 3-4 hrs of loadshedding every day. Today? None at all. Of course, the rest of the city compensates by ever increasing hours without electricity. Fuck Zardari, fuck the PPP.

There are lots of reasons Pakistan is dependent on outside aid, and self-serving politicians is only one reason. (Though for the record I'm still impressed he delegated powers away from the presidency.)

I imagine that millions if not billions of dollars could be made available for better infrastructure, education and to bolster the salaries of government employees so they would in turn be less beholden to corruption. Problem is that money is tied up in maintaining an enormous army with an outdated mindset that a war with India may need to be fought any day now. Like with the U.S., the vast majority of Pakistan's fiscal problems are of its own creation.

 

[DesiPower]

well that's settled i guess:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theen...eleases-cia-contractor-after-blood-money-deal

No surprise, all these people ever want is money, human life never had any value there...

 

[Craig234]

The Pakistani government is a bunch of idiots. Zardari has killed the ruling party for good. The American are thugs:



http://tribune.com.pk/story/133324/raymond-davis-indicted-in-double-murder-case/

So much for Pakistan's sovereignty. I'm ashamed to be a Pakistani today.

That is a despicable story if accurate. Any real American would feel shame over it, not gloat; power over the law, morality and principles.

'Ha ha, we can murder and get away with it' is not something to brag about. Of course, that's assuming this was murder, which is what much of the gloating assumes.

What were the legal issues, if this was not a Sharia court case - normally the state prosecutes for murder whether or not the family wants it.

 

[Zargon]

That is a despicable story if accurate. Any real American would feel shame over it, not gloat; power over the law, morality and principles.

'Ha ha, we can murder and get away with it' is not something to brag about. Of course, that's assuming this was murder, which is what much of the gloating assumes.

What were the legal issues, if this was not a Sharia court case - normally the state prosecutes for murder whether or not the family wants it.

its not murder, its war.

hes a operative on foreign soil and killed 2 armed opfor agents that were following him

 

[The Green Bean]

From the cnn.com article here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/pakistan.cia.charges/index.html?hpt=T2

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, isn't it, Green Bean?

The verses on which this law is based are:

92. Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.

93. If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

Another

178. O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.

179. In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves.

179 is quite badly translated. It is one of the most analyzed verses in the Quran. A better translation would be: In vengeance is life...

We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

This is for unintended murders but the Quran here is ambiguous and there are as many interpretations as there are sects. If the Sharia law in Pakistan was anything but a farce, they need to chose a school of thought--not just use whatever suits whoever whenever.
1) He must be a believer.
2) He must have not killed intentionally.

The court's verdict was incorrect and politically motivated.

 

[The Green Bean]

What were the legal issues, if this was not a Sharia court case - normally the state prosecutes for murder whether or not the family wants it.

That's based on Western philosophy. In Islamic philosophy, prosecution is not just to punish, but for justice. However, in traditional Islamic law, if a matter is brought to court, the plaintiff no longer holds the right to pardon.

 

[Nebor]

The only reason we are so dependent on American aid today is because of Zardari's policy of filling his stomach while everyone else starves to death. To highlight this: Zardari moved to his Karachi residence which he has turned into a fortress; closed all four sides of the roads leading to it. I am guessing I live on the same electricity zone as he does. Before he came, we used to have 3-4 hrs of loadshedding every day. Today? None at all. Of course, the rest of the city compensates by ever increasing hours without electricity. Fuck Zardari, fuck the PPP.

Are you blind to what's going on in the Middle East? The time to rise up against your corrupt leader is NOW. Take to the streets!

Oh wait, you're a rich, English speaking beloved patriot, so you have no incentive to rock the boat.

Keep feeding from the American trough, and keep taking the American (pork) sausage from behind, and do it with a smile on your face, and everything will be fine.

I told you you'd give our man back in less than 6 months.

 

[dali71]

1) The family was forced to testify.
2) The Sharia court was not involved. The Lahore High Court has no jurisdiction over this matter.
3) The law was misinterpreted.
4) Espionage charges against him were not brought forward.

Fuck America and fuck her puppet Zardari.

Fuck you and fuck your worthless shithole of a country, you incredible piece of shit.

 

[Nebor]

By the way, the idea of using tactical nuclear weapons defensively is hilarious. Even if it turned the tide of a battle, and didn't trigger a massive nuclear response, you've still detonated nuclear weapons on your own soil! It only makes sense if you have the typical Islam suicide bomber attitude and you're willing to destroy your entire country.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Man, Pakistanis can be bought for so cheap. This is truly a bizarre 'law' and even TGG's interpretation is barbaric because of its inherent discriminatory practice. It truly is backwards when you can seriously just pay money for taking a human life.

Yet another reason why Pakistan is a failed country.

 

[MiniDoom]

The verses on which this law is based are:

Nice fairytale, you tell it so well!

 

[The Green Bean]

Man, Pakistanis can be bought for so cheap. This is truly a bizarre 'law' and even TGG's interpretation is barbaric because of its inherent discriminatory practice. It truly is backwards when you can seriously just pay money for taking a human life.

Yet another reason why Pakistan is a failed country.

Islam values Muslim life more than non-Muslim like. It's the same in the West.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Islam values Muslim life more than non-Muslim like. It's the same in the West.

That's barbaric. Moreover, that's why having a strongly religious legal system is also barbaric.

Pakistan has to be one of the dumbest countries in the world. Here we have a guy who has possibly murdered two people and he's allowed to go free because he can just pay for human life. No wonder Pakistan is a failure.

Hell, maybe the US can just buy the entire country for $1 billion. Seems like the entire country is pretty cheap.

 

[The Green Bean]

Are you blind to what's going on in the Middle East? The time to rise up against your corrupt leader is NOW. Take to the streets!

Oh wait, you're a rich, English speaking beloved patriot, so you have no incentive to rock the boat.

Keep feeding from the American trough, and keep taking the American (pork) sausage from behind, and do it with a smile on your face, and everything will be fine.

I told you you'd give our man back in less than 6 months.

Well, Pakistan is not Arab and there is a a big difference between them and us. For one, we have a real democracy and it's our own people that have chosen these corrupt leaders and I hope they have learned their lesson. What is this revolution going to be for? :rolleyes; An Islamic movement can not succeed simply because there are too many schools of thought. Moreover, Pakistan is far more diverse than any other Muslim country.

Only if Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was alive today, we would have been a different Pakistan. Hopefully an Imran Khan-Musharraf alliance will form the next government and we will speed through the steps of progress.

An article on CNN sums it up well:
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/why-pakistanis-are-not-rising-up/?hpt=Sbin

 

[The Green Bean]

Nice fairytale, you tell it so well!

It's better than your retarded constitution drafted by a few idiots.

 

[The Green Bean]

That's barbaric. Moreover, that's why having a strongly religious legal system is also barbaric.

To each his own...

Pakistan has to be one of the dumbest countries in the world. Here we have a guy who has possibly murdered two people and he's allowed to go free because he can just pay for human life. No wonder Pakistan is a failure.

Hell, maybe the US can just buy the entire country for $1 billion. Seems like the entire country is pretty cheap.

I agree.

 

[The Green Bean]

There are lots of reasons Pakistan is dependent on outside aid, and self-serving politicians is only one reason. (Though for the record I'm still impressed he delegated powers away from the presidency.)

I imagine that millions if not billions of dollars could be made available for better infrastructure, education and to bolster the salaries of government employees so they would in turn be less beholden to corruption. Problem is that money is tied up in maintaining an enormous army with an outdated mindset that a war with India may need to be fought any day now. Like with the U.S., the vast majority of Pakistan's fiscal problems are of its own creation.

Corruption is only part of the problem. The biggest problem is incomptence which is fed by corruption. When a political party becomes a family dynasty, you are never going to find the right people for the right job.

Furthermore, I don't think the threat of foreign elements is exaggerated. India is feeding an insurgency in Balochistan, which is one of the richest provinces in the country. Then there is the Western lobby who is spreading anti-Pakistan sentiment and acting as a hurdle to our progress.

Btw, what the West isn't doing, China is. There are multi-billion dollar Chinese investments in our country. It's not like we are starving to death, we are doing better than ever before. The people are unhappy because that is not as well as India. In any case, if I was offered any other place to live, I would never leave Pakistan.

 

[Nebor]

It's better than your retarded constitution drafted by a few idiots.

.... yeah, because Pakistan is doing a lot better than the United States in the grand scheme of things, right?

You really should PM me your address TGB. When the people of your country get sick of your government and actually take to the streets, the rest of the world WILL get involved (unlike in Libya) because you have violent Islamic extremists and nuclear weapons that will need to be controlled. And then I can pop in and say hi.

 

[RabidMongoose]

To each his own...

Yup, you believe in a form of discrimination that most people find abhorrent.

If Pakistan can separate itself from the practice of barbarism, then maybe it would finally not be failed state. Stop instituting such severe discrimination, stop these ridiculous 'laws' where rich people can basically murder anyone they want, and maybe Pakistan can finally be a successful country.

 

[RabidMongoose]

It's better than your retarded constitution drafted by a few idiots.

Uh, at least it isn't based on a fairy tale about some magical man who lives in the clouds. It's the reason why your country is basically a failure - you are so beholden to barbarism and discrimination that you will never advance.

The thing is that the constitution as originally written was discriminatory, but since it wasn't based on a fairy tale, it was allowed to be changed and amended. It has been adapted to fit into modern society, but your fairy tale is apparently so restrictively interpreted that your country will always be barbaric and backwards.

 

[Zebo]

In Islam you can kill infidels and anyone else too if you're rich.

 

[Zebo]

Constitution retard? At the time it was a revolutionary document since copied by many which gave man certain rights and liberties as opposed to the state, king or god. In effect it says we are gods and can shape our own destiny not relying on hocus pocus from insane dehydrated hallucinating desert mystics.

 

[davmat787]

It's better than your retarded constitution drafted by a few idiots.

TFTS!

 

[OCGuy]

Pakistan is our bitch, and has been for a while. Did the populace actually think they were going to touch a CIA employee, let alone someone with diplomatic immunity?

Hell, we have CIA drone bases in Pakistan right now, sanctioned by the beloved patriot government.

 

[werepossum]

.... Yeah, because pakistan is doing a lot better than the united states in the grand scheme of things, right? :d:d:d

you really should pm me your address tgb. When the people of your country get sick of your government and actually take to the streets, the rest of the world will get involved (unlike in libya) because you have violent islamic extremists and nuclear weapons that will need to be controlled. And then i can pop in and say hi.

lmao!
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