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Zargon

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It's not doing something stupid. It's in connection with a foreign spy who has alleged links to AlQaeeda. If it were in your country, they would all have been sent to Guantanamo. Glad I don't live there.

I would reckon I would rather be at guantanamo in solitary than in Gen Pop at a pakistani prison.

I realy dont get the 'surprise' over the alleged links to al queeda either, hello, its easier to spy on them if you play 'friendly'

its called espionage, not cops and robbers
 

The Green Bean

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I would reckon I would rather be at guantanamo in solitary than in Gen Pop at a pakistani prison.

I realy dont get the 'surprise' over the alleged links to al queeda either, hello, its easier to spy on them if you play 'friendly'

its called espionage, not cops and robbers

If you haven't read the Russian spy agency's report Davis was part of Task force 373 who were trying to provide Al-Qaeeda with nuclear material to be used against American targets. The Americans would blame Pakistan and invade. There is more to the story that what is apparent. But I wouldn't trust America. Bush and Obama both have been caught lying.

http://www.britainnews.net/story/74...nuclear-bomb-material-to-Al-Qaeda-says-report
 

chucky2

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Not really. First, there'd be an army of ACLU lawyers to make sure none of their rights were violated (and get whatever info to their handlers they needed getting, and vice versa). Then The Media would get involved and make it a circus. The Red Cross and Human Rights Watch would then have access to them to make sure nothing bad was happening to them. Then the liberal Politicians would get into the act so they could really secure their F the Law! base for their next election. I didn't know people caught in the US were actually going to Guantanamo btw...that happens all the time here? Let me guess, your media links told you so right?

And now he's got links to AQ...I wonder where that info is coming from? Does this info come from the same "unbiased" and "non-sensational" media sources you've been linking to? Your country is lulz dude, the best thing that could possibly happen to you is America goes there to straighten it out. And so because another country has to do so, you're going to vote for a party that opposes it...and then you'll wonder (if you ever take the time to do so) why your country is so F'd up. Oh I forgot, you actually think there's no problems there...

Wait, what's that?!!? India is going to nukes y0u!!!!!! Quick, spend more of your money on nukes to use against India, a country that is actually progressing (oh, the horror!) with Western money and influence. As if India actually gives a sh1t about Pakistan other than making sure none of the loones from your country cause issues.

I really do feel sorry for you and especially those less fortunate in your country, I truly do. That you're one of the more educated in your country, and you're this F'd up, only tells me that those less educated are even more F'd up. Only someone seriously brain damaged would want to align themselves with the Taliban, as you've stated here....yikes....

Chuck
 

chucky2

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If you haven't read the Russian spy agency's report Davis was part of Task force 373 who were trying to provide Al-Qaeeda with nuclear material to be used against American targets. The Americans would blame Pakistan and invade. There is more to the story that what is apparent. But I wouldn't trust America. Bush and Obama both have been caught lying.

http://www.britainnews.net/story/74...nuclear-bomb-material-to-Al-Qaeda-says-report

Hello. Moron. You're reading a Russian "report" on America. Something that just happens to come out when this guy is caught. From Russia. Major competitor to the US, major country that's had to sit on the sidelines until recently. And you lap it up like it's gospel and don't think to just possibly question whether it's true or not, because, you know, those Russians are super trustworthy, they'd never ever ever never twist something, lie about something, use people, try and influence them further against their chief competitor...nah, they'd never do that...

F*ck. Is Everyone in Pakistan as easily playable as you? No wonder the religous fundi's over there have so much power, you guys just have like literally zero critical thinking skillz that you keep on the real, instead of on the crazy...

Chuck
 

chucky2

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I would reckon I would rather be at guantanamo in solitary than in Gen Pop at a pakistani prison.

I realy dont get the 'surprise' over the alleged links to al queeda either, hello, its easier to spy on them if you play 'friendly'

its called espionage, not cops and robbers

TGB actually would rather they ally with the Taliban than the US, he's that F'd up.

And LOL on the prison comment, I was thinking the same thing! Most of the people in Guantanamo are very likely living far better than they ever did, or ever would have, in their home country. TGB is getting all pissed these people have worlds better food, medical care, and living conditions...oh noes!!!

Chuck
 

The Green Bean

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No point arguing with bigots. Is there any real grounds for your baseless claims other than "my country is bigger/better than yours" and so we are always right? I'm pissed because you are using us to forward your agenda. What better than to invade another Muslim country and fuel the hatred?
 

Zargon

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No point arguing with bigots. Is there any real grounds for your baseless claims other than "my country is bigger/better than yours" and so we are always right? I'm pissed because you are using us to forward your agenda. What better than to invade another Muslim country and fuel the hatred?

says the guy who is taking russias word on everything :D
 

Lizardman

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Article on the topic by Christopher Hitchens.

http://www.slate.com/id/2286722/

Not to mince words, then, Davis is a hostage. In addition to the usual sense of the word, he is a hostage to the Pakistani authorities who dare not—even if they wish—make an enemy either of the Islamist mobs or the uniformed para-state run by the intelligence services. He is also a hostage to the inability or unwillingness of the U.S. government to call things by their right names. President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have made the correct noises about the relevant international statutes governing immunity, and their envoy Sen. John Kerry (who should never have been sent unless notified in advance that he would return with the prisoner) has even spoken of putting Davis on trial in the United States, which in ordinary circumstances might seem a little premature. But they all talk as if Pakistan were a country of law, and they all talk as if Pakistan were not a client state. Its client status, indeed, is what leads so many Pakistanis to detest America, without whose largesse and indulgence it would long ago have faced collapse. Thus to the final irony: We are denied leverage by the fact of the very influence for which we are hated.

This sick relationship with Pakistan, which plays a continuous and undisguised double-cross on us in Afghanistan, will probably have to be terminated at some point. But in the meantime, it will have to be made very clear to the rulers of that country that if they want to keep Raymond Davis in prison, they will have to manage without our subsidies. He may be a bad test of an important principle, but it is still the important principle that is being tested, and we have no more right to compromise on the principle of diplomatic immunity than the Pakistanis have to violate it.

I agree with him, we might as well cut our financial ties with them now.
 

Nebor

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Anyone think it's funny that TGB knows English fairly well, has constant internet access and just built a computer (check the GH forum) that costs more than the average Pakistani makes in a year? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's living off American foreign aid.
 

The Green Bean

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Anyone think it's funny that TGB knows English fairly well, has constant internet access and just built a computer (check the GH forum) that costs more than the average Pakistani makes in a year? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's living off American foreign aid.

English is still an important language here and everyone should know it and most people that go to school have pretty good proficiency in English. It's a British legacy--not American. I learnt my English at a "madrassah." Internet access here is arguably cheaper than most countries. A 4mb connection costs $25. And I probably make more than most of you here--combined. And I would burn any "aid" that got to me. God is my sustainer and provider not some retards on the other side of the world.

Whoever thinks Pakistan is a "shithole" is obviously brainwashed by propaganda.
 

chucky2

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English is still an important language here and everyone should know it and most people that go to school have pretty good proficiency in English. It's a British legacy--not American. I learnt my English at a "madrassah." Internet access here is arguably cheaper than most countries. A 4mb connection costs $25. And I probably make more than most of you here--combined. And I would burn any "aid" that got to me. God is my sustainer and provider not some retards on the other side of the world.

Whoever thinks Pakistan is a "shithole" is obviously brainwashed by propaganda.

God is your sustainer and provider? Don't tell us....you're a "Bible Thumper", or, I gues over there, "Qur'an Thumper"?!?!?! Come clean TGB, what's your general occupation??? I'll go first, I'm in "management" in IT at a really big telecomm here in the US. And you?

Chuck
 

chucky2

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Says the American who believed Bush's lies about Iraq's WMDs.

Dude, after 9/11, the average person over here didn't give a sh1t about WMD's, they wanted that entire region turned to glass with a straw poked through it for the oil. You all should be throwing a 6th prayer in each day to your hated Bush for not letting a few fly and granting you all a very expedited en masse meeting with Allah. Btw, providing the Iraqi's don't go all Muslim on themselves again, and (again) kill each other by the madrassah load (yes, I just made that phrase up), in 10 years they'll be light years ahead of Pakistan. I know that must hurt, that realization that yet again, another country The Evil West straightened out will succeed and be better off (that is, unless they don't F it up themselves), but it's just the way things are.

You believe the Russians...buwhahahaha....oh man, this thread is really starting to deliver!!!! :D:D:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Chuck
 

The Green Bean

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Dude, after 9/11, the average person over here didn't give a sh1t about WMD's, they wanted that entire region turned to glass with a straw poked through it for the oil. You all should be throwing a 6th prayer in each day to your hated Bush for not letting a few fly and granting you all a very expedited en masse meeting with Allah. Btw, providing the Iraqi's don't go all Muslim on themselves again, and (again) kill each other by the madrassah load (yes, I just made that phrase up), in 10 years they'll be light years ahead of Pakistan. I know that must hurt, that realization that yet again, another country The Evil West straightened out will succeed and be better off (that is, unless they don't F it up themselves), but it's just the way things are.

You believe the Russians...buwhahahaha....oh man, this thread is really starting to deliver!!!! :D:D:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Chuck

People like you are the reason we need to build up our nuclear arsenal as fast as possible.
 

The Green Bean

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God is your sustainer and provider? Don't tell us....you're a "Bible Thumper", or, I gues over there, "Qur'an Thumper"?!?!?! Come clean TGB, what's your general occupation??? I'll go first, I'm in "management" in IT at a really big telecomm here in the US. And you?

Chuck

I run a family business--in primary/secondary education.

35. Behold! a woman of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."

36. When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

37. Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From Allah. for Allah Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."
 

Nebor

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I run a family business--in primary/secondary education.

So from the madrassah you came and now you're running one? Radicalizing the youth of Pakistan?

You still didn't explain how you can afford a computer that costs more than the average Pakistani citizen makes in a year.
 

The Green Bean

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So from the madrassah you came and now you're running one? Radicalizing the youth of Pakistan?

You still didn't explain how you can afford a computer that costs more than the average Pakistani citizen makes in a year.

Don't jump to conclusions. I don't run the "madrassah" where I studied. I run a primary/secondary school which has a British/secular cirriculum. The "madrassahs" are for higher education... In your media they portray madrassahs where children only learn to read and memorize the Quran because it sells. The actual madrassahs are those institutions where significant research is done; they are regarded as a parallel system to secular Universities. One of the largest such "madrassah" is the International Islamic University, Islamabad. But your media has hijacked the term madrassah and it is almost always a derogatory term in Western circles.

FYI: My computer cost $1000. The average Pakistani makes much more than that. There were about 18.5 million internet users in Pakistan in 2008. The numbers probably much higher today. I'm pretty sure more than half of those are broadband users. So yea...
 
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The Green Bean

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Same Cover, Same Lies

By ROBERT ANDERSON

The story of Raymond Allen Davis is one familiar to me and I wish our government would quit doing these things - they cost us credibility.

Davis is the American being held as a spy working under diplomatic cover out of our embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. You can understand why foreign countries no longer trust us and people are rising up across the Middle East against the Great Satan.

In the Vietnam War the country of Laos held a geo-strategic position, as does Pakistan does to Afghanistan today. As in Pakistan, in Laos our country conducted covert military operations against a sovereign people, using the CIA.

I was a demolitions technician with the Air Force who was reassigned to work with the CIA’s Air America operation in Laos. We turned in our military IDs cards and uniforms and were issued a State Department ID card and dressed in blue jeans. We were told if captured we were to ask for diplomatic immunity, if alive. We carried out military missions on a daily basis all across the countries of Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam.

We also knew that if killed or captured that we would probably not be searched for and our families back home in the U.S. would be told we had been killed in an auto accident of some kind back in Thailand and our bodies not recovered.

Our team knew when the UN inspectors and international media were scheduled to arrive - we controlled the airfields. We would disappear to our safe houses so we could not be asked questions. It was all a very well planned operation, 60 years ago, involving the military and diplomats out of the US Embassy. It had been going on a long time when I was there during the 1968 Tet Offensive. This continued for a long time, until we were routed and had to abandon the whole war as a failure.

In Laos the program I was attached to carried out a systematic assassination of people who were identified as not loyal to U.S. goals. It was called the Phoenix program and eliminated an estimated 60,000 people across Indochina. We did an amazing amount of damage to the civilian infrastructure of the country, and still lost the war. I saw one team of mercenaries I was training show us a bag of ears of dead civilians they had killed. This was how they verified their kills for us. The Green Berets that day were telling them to just take photos of the dead, leave the ears.

Mel Gibson made a movie about all this, called Air America. It included in the background the illegal drug operation the CIA ran to pay for their operations. Congress had not authorized funds for what we were doing. I saw the drug operation first hand too. This was all detailed in The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred McCoy. I did not connect all this until the Iran-Contra hearings when Oliver North was testifying about it. Oliver North was a leader of the Laos operation I was assigned to work with.

Our country has a long history of these type programs going back to World War Two. We copied this from of warfare from the Nazis in WWII it seems. We justified it as necessary for the Cold War. One of the first operations was T.P. Ajax run by Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953to take over their oil fields.

In that coup the CIA and the State Department under the Dulles Brothers first perfected these covert, illegal and immoral actions. Historians have suggested that Operation T.P. Ajax was the single event that set in motion the political force of Islamic fundamentalism we are still dealing with today.

Chalmers Johnson also a former CIA employee wrote a series of books too on these blowbacks that happen when the truth is held from the American public.

If we had taken a different approach to our problems in those days an approach that did not rely on lying to our own and the people of other countries and killing them indiscriminately our country would not be in the disaster it is abroad today..

I was young and foolish in those days of the Vietnam War, coveting my Top Secret security clearance, a big thing for an uneducated hillbilly from Appalachia. We saw ourselves much like James Bond characters, but now I am much wiser. These kinds of actions have immense and long reaching consequences and should be shut down.

But I see from the Ray Davis fiasco in Pakistan that our government is still up to its old way of denying to the people of the world what everyone knows is true.

When will this official hypocrisy end, when will our political
class speak out about this and quit going along with the lies and tricks? How many more of our people and others will die in these foolish programs?

Davis is in a bad situation now because most of the people of the world, as we see across the Middle East, are now aware of the lies and not going to turn their head anymore.

I say “most” everyone knows, because our own public, the ones suppose to be in control of the military and CIA, is constantly lied to. It is so sad to see President Obama repeating the big lie.

Robert Anderson lives in Albuquerque, N.M. He can be reached at citizen@comcast.net

http://www.counterpunch.org/anderson02282011.html
 

DesiPower

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If you don't like the discussion, get the fuck out of this thread.

As long as words keep falling from you keyboard like shit from ass, I reserve the right to keep shitting myslef on this thread and blasting all terrorist sympathizers whenever I please, in any way I please.
 

werepossum

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Anyone think it's funny that TGB knows English fairly well, has constant internet access and just built a computer (check the GH forum) that costs more than the average Pakistani makes in a year? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's living off American foreign aid.

SNIP

FYI: My computer cost $1000. The average Pakistani makes much more than that. There were about 18.5 million internet users in Pakistan in 2008. The numbers probably much higher today. I'm pretty sure more than half of those are broadband users. So yea...

In other news, another politician killed in the name of blasphemy... I am not sure why this discussion is still going on, a country like Pak is forgone conclusion...

Average per capita income in Pakistan as of 2010 is $2,400, making it the 181st richest country of 229. Figure into that US aid of roughly a billion a year or about $5.50 per head; however 2/3 of that is military. Compare that to India, whose average income is $3,400 with roughly the same resources and population base, for what it's worth.

Historically Pakistan has been an American ally as a check on Soviet-leaning India, which is obviously a combination of two obsolete factors. Now of course Pakistan is a nominal partner in the war on terror. But as everyone knows that Pakistan, first nation to recognize the Taliban, is at least as strongly behind the terrorist team as behind ours, Pakistan's only real value to us is as a sea port to supply Afghanistan. We should expedite our departure from the one shithole and stop funding the other shithole.