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The Green Bean

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This is getting interesting: Davis may also face espionage charge

http://tribune.com.pk/story/116246/davis-may-also-face-espionage-charge/

This is more than murder. Davis is a spy with terrorist links. That is why the Americans want him back so bad.

NYtimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/world/asia/09pakistan.html?_r=1&hp

Mr. Davis spent 10 years in the American military, starting with basic training at Fort Benning, Ga., in 1993. He moved to special warfare training with the Third Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, N.C., in 1998, and left the Army in 2003. His only overseas posting, according to his Army service record, was a six-month stint as a member of a United Nations peacekeeping force in Macedonia in 1994.

After leaving the military, Mr. Davis apparently decided to take advantage of the boom in the military contracting business. He and his wife, Rebecca Davis, set up Hyperion Protective Services in 2006 in Nevada, a company that appears to have sought government contracts for security services, according to company filings in Nevada.

The company does not appear to have won big contracts, and may have been in the business of offering just Mr. Davis’s services, according to a former Special Forces officer who reviewed the company filings.

WTF?
 
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chucky2

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ROFL @ India having better standards of living. Their economy is only booming because of the super-rich. I've been to India and they have so much poverty, Pakistan feels like a good place to live. India is over-hyped. It has potential but it has so many hurdles to overcome. The corruption there is unparalleled. The Prime Minister's wife was involved in a $100 billion scan recently. They have 14 insurgencies going on at once. India only has good relations with USA because the USA feels having India on their side might help them to fight to imminent rise of China. It's a matter of time before China becomes the bully and America its dog. It economic terms at least.

I never said all of India had a better standard of living. The point is, countries who deal with the US prosper, those who don't, don't.

I salute Japan and Germany. I really wish we had leaders and people like theirs. But then again, American intentions in Japan and Germany were different than their intention in their Muslim world.

It doesn't matter what the American intention is/was. The Muslim world gets f*cktons of money from the US. So much money you all could, given how cheap labor and materials are to you, rebuild your entire countries new. You don't. Because you've got a totally corrupt society, which is enforced with your terrible fundi and undereducation problem. In short: You poeple believe your own BS. In this own thread you are a perfect example of that.

I've traveled half the world. I sincerely believe that the American media is unnecessary defaming Muslims. It's easy to see its effects here on these forum. America = Innocent Virgin. Everyone Else = Rapists. I'm not downplaying our problems but they are greatly exaggerated by the media. Do you ever hear about anything good happening in Iran? It's not because nothing happens, it's because your media is fucked up Israeli lobbyists.

You've traveled half the world, I salute you. Did you travel half of it brainwashed and mind F'd as you are in this thread, or as an open eyed traveler? Because, I'm really sure, basically anyone in the US would look at you like you just sh1t out 4 heads out your @ss if you started screaming you needed to bury a woman in the ground up to her head and throw large stones at her. In your region, people start having a stone party. Think how totally and completely F'd up as a region you are that that is even considered, much less acted upon.

We do hear about good things happening in Iran, if you get off the whore major media. We know the non-fundi's there are good folks (or as good of folks that that region could ever be expected to turn out at this time), but, like usual for that region, your corrupt and/or fundi Leadership makes Iran just another 'shake your head at it in fundi resignation' country.

Seriously: Progress. Faster. Without blaming the US when you stub your toe. Is that really too much to ask???

Chuck
 

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werepossum

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From the Times of India article:
Davis misunderstood the waving of guns at him by the two tails as a threat and shot his way out of the situation.
Assuming that the ISI thugs weren't waving guns at Davis over their shoulders, it would seem that he did NOT shoot them in the back - though I'm sure there are plenty of "official sources" who without being directly quoted will provide that story.

The moral of the story seems to be not to wave guns at armed men.
 

Jeffg010

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I learned one thing from this thread that I would never visit a shit hole like Pakistan.
 

IcePickFreak

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I don't think you read what I wrote. The AMERICANS are making threats not anybody else. And handing him over without trial will upset the judicial system, the opposition and the general population. Handing him over without a proper trial will be a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty. What ever happened, under international law Davis must be tried.

America is the extremist here. Fuck them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/01/us-pakistan-us-shooting-idUSTRE7101FK20110201

Hardline Islamic groups have warned authorities against releasing Davis.

I'm going to take a guess here and say that they weren't just threatening to call em bad names.
 

werepossum

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You are such a fucking tool.

Motion to ban your poison from this forum.
What, you don't see the moral equivalency between imprisoning an 11 year old double murderer to protect society and beating to death an 11 year old rape victim to "restore the family honor"? I bet you don't see the justice in sentencing a woman to be gang raped because her brother had consensual sex with the men's adult sister either.

Somebody's not reading his Koran and gets an "F" in multiculturalism. No Sharia soup for you!
 

The Green Bean

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What, you don't see the moral equivalency between imprisoning an 11 year old double murderer to protect society and beating to death an 11 year old rape victim to "restore the family honor"? I bet you don't see the justice in sentencing a woman to be gang raped because her brother had consensual sex with the men's adult sister either.

Somebody's not reading his Koran and gets an "F" in multiculturalism. No Sharia soup for you!

Obviously you are an idiot. You are so ignorant than you post about Islam and yet you know nothing of it. It's like saying all you fucking white people are fascist Nazis. They way you are acting you might as well may be.
 

The Green Bean

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The UK's telegraph says that Davis had links to terror groups operating inside Pakistan:

"His phone records clearly show he was in contact with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, for what reason we can only speculate," said a police officer, referring to a terrorist group with close links to the Pakistani Taliban.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ephone-contact-with-Islamic-terror-group.html



The Lahore Police are saying that this was murder:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/117419/investigation-finds-raymond-davis-guilty-of-murder/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ephone-contact-with-Islamic-terror-group.html

Now this underlines why the USA want him released. This will expose them that the are supporting terror groups inside Pakistan who are killing hundreds of innocent people.
On the other hand the U.S media is reporting the USA is threatening to cut off diplomatic ties with Pakistan. Furthermore, they are going sent back the Pakistani ambassador to the USA back if Davis is not released today.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...y-would-be-kicked-out/articleshow/7475170.cms

These developments can have severe regional implications. The American influence on Pakistani life is very apparent to the masses and they don't like it. When you have American Humvees being transported openly on the highways...

Personally, I don't know if this a good thing or bad. In the short term we will suffer, but I think that in the long term, "denouncing" America will pay off. Cut off the aid and we will learn to survive on our own. I also don't trust America. I'm more afraid of American bombs than the Taliban and India combined.
 
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The UK's telegraph says that Davis had links to terror groups operating inside Pakistan:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ephone-contact-with-Islamic-terror-group.html



The Lahore Police are saying that this was murder:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/117419/investigation-finds-raymond-davis-guilty-of-murder/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ephone-contact-with-Islamic-terror-group.html

Now this underlines why the USA want him released. This will expose them that the are supporting terror groups inside Pakistan who are killing hundreds of innocent people.
On the other hand the U.S media is reporting the USA is threatening to cut off diplomatic ties with Pakistan. Furthermore, they are going sent back the Pakistani ambassador to the USA back if Davis is not released today.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...y-would-be-kicked-out/articleshow/7475170.cms

These developments can have severe regional implications. The American influence on Pakistani life is very apparent to the masses and they don't like it. When you have American Humvees being transported openly on the highways...

Personally, I don't know if this a good thing or bad. In the short term we will suffer, but I think that in the long term, "denouncing" America will pay off. Cut off the aid and we will learn to survive on our own. I also don't trust America. I'm more afraid of American bombs than the Taliban and India combined.

Why don't we wait for more info, as your quote says 'we can only speculate'.

Phone calls can be anything from collaboration to undercover activity.
 

The Green Bean

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Why don't we wait for more info, as your quote says 'we can only speculate'.

Phone calls can be anything from collaboration to undercover activity.

That's what I'm saying. We should wait. We can't hand him over to the USA after these revelations, can we?

If this was a Pakistani in the USA I have no doubts that your torture squads would have waterboarded him and made him insane.
 

chucky2

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That's what I'm saying. We should wait. We can't hand him over to the USA after these revelations, can we?

If this was a Pakistani in the USA I have no doubts that your torture squads would have waterboarded him and made him insane.

Quoted for direct proof of that regions mental brainwashing. Yikes...hopefully at least Iraq will pull itself out, maybe with Iran....in 200 years or so. Pakistan/Afghanistan....not much hope it sounds like...

Chuck
 

The Green Bean

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Quoted for direct proof of that regions mental brainwashing. Yikes...hopefully at least Iraq will pull itself out, maybe with Iran....in 200 years or so. Pakistan/Afghanistan....not much hope it sounds like...

Chuck

I'm stating facts. You are just attacking me for stating them. How is this proof of brainwashing? Do you deny America tortures? Do you want me to post the list of crimes they have committed? There may be torture in Pakistan, but unlike America it is not condoned by the government itself.

You are mentally brainwashed living in your fantasy world. America will die out much sooner than 200 years. It is a corrupt society where corporations are involved in multi-billion dollar scams, the government is involved in torture and breaking the laws of the state... yet the media succeeds in making the masses believe that America stands for freedom and liberty.

I respect Canada, Japan, and the UK to an extent. They are far more liberal and if Pakistan were to follow a model, I would want to follow the European model of government; not the American version.

I don't understand that when the USA has the world's best universities whose research about the region is greatly beneficial, why the general populace like the ones posting on these forums are so retarded. The power of the media? Hate sells in America. It's sad really.
 

chucky2

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I'm stating facts. You are just attacking me for stating them. How is this proof of brainwashing? Do you deny America tortures? Do you want me to post the list of crimes they have committed? There may be torture in Pakistan, but unlike America it is not condoned by the government itself.

Do I deny America tortures? Nope. But you didn't say, "America tortures.", you said, "If this was a Pakistani in the USA I have no doubts that your torture squads would have waterboarded him and made him insane." That's an absurd comment if a Pakistani was to have found having done what this American is accused of doing. The Pakistani would be held, absolutely, and he'd have his Pakistani representation right along with him. No torture, no waterboarding, etc. And that's my point: You're so brainwashed you actually believe he'd be tortured and waterboarded. It's an insane comment by you, a brainwashed individual.

As far as torturing in Pakistan and not condoned by the gov itself, you're F'ing delusional. You don't think the ISI tortures? You don't think your government knows about those it orders tortured? Unreal.

You are mentally brainwashed living in your fantasy world. America will die out much sooner than 200 years. It is a corrupt society where corporations are involved in multi-billion dollar scams, the government is involved in torture and breaking the laws of the state... yet the media succeeds in making the masses believe that America stands for freedom and liberty.

America likely will die out sooner than 200 years, I agree...at least as she exists In Totality now. The government torturing enemy combatants (or those turned into us by their countrymen as enemy combatants) really has no bearing on whether America will last the next 200 or not. America won't last because we're letting millions of illegals into our country to do jobs our blue collar workers used to do, but can't afford to do at 3rd world rates...and we pay these blue collar workers something called Unemployment for the privalege of being invaded by these illegals. We also have this entity called Wall Street that steals Trillions, and essentially creates nothing in return for hundreds of billions in siphoned profits. The 3rd strike if you will is our Politicians, who while not nearly as corrupt and dishonest as your own (I cannot believe I just said that btw), are approaching just as bad...if not in corruption, in total ineffectiveness as a political body that exists to handle the issues they're caring not to handle (the illegal immigration issue, rediculous control of US by Wall Street, Health Care, etc).

So, while you do touch on some things that America does wrong, they're not really what will bring us down. Still, America in 200 years will be about 800 years ahead of Pakistan. Ask any person on Earth, who isn't a total fundi, which country they'd rather be stuck in for the rest of their life, Pakistan or US...heck, lets go with any ME/East Asia country or US, and who will they pick? US. That's how "bad" we are...

I respect Canada, Japan, and the UK to an extent. They are far more liberal and if Pakistan were to follow a model, I would want to follow the European model of government; not the American version.

Outstanding! No one from the US, no one, is saying They must follow our model or we'll dr0p th3 b0mbz!!!....we're just wanting you all over there to progress forward about 600 years in social development, so hopefully, you'll get past your fundi problem.

I don't understand that when the USA has the world's best universities whose research about the region is greatly beneficial, why the general populace like the ones posting on these forums are so retarded. The power of the media? Hate sells in America. It's sad really.

It's not that I hate any of you Pakistani's, it's that your region breeds brainwashed people, and more importantly, brainwashed fundi's who take their violence, happily I might add, to others. 9/11 was a wakeup call that letting you all progress for your average countryperson as you have been (that's: not really much), is not going to work in this era of easy global transportation. We know our media is biased (to the left or right, pick a source) and reports only what will get them ratings, not the complete and unbiased picture, we already know that.

The point is that you obviously don't, else you'd not be talking rediculous sh1t like torture squads, waterboarding someone actually caught in the US, why you think America is going to "die out", that you think your own government doesn't torture (haha, unreal), etc. You've departed from Reality and into exactly why your region needs a push from The Eb1l West. Next you'll be telling us that if you don't pray to the Sky God, fire and ice will reign down from the ski's and strike us down...

Again: Progress. Faster.

P.S. Stop blaming The West for all your issues. Stop being ruled and majorly influenced by fundi's and maybe you won't have the issues you're having...
 
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