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Zargon

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The US doesn't do that. Standard policy when dealing with government employees is to remove them from the problematic country ASAP. Once that person is safely back in the United States, the country in question can make it's decisions and the United States can decide what is best in regards to it's employee.

I'm very OK with that
 

The Green Bean

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As if we couldn't keep up the effort without Pakistan. :rolleyes:

Or what if we just bailed on Afghanistan? That'd be REAL good for Pakistan. Haha.

Actually we'd ally ourselves with the Taliban and that would be the end of our problem.
 

chucky2

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Actually we'd ally ourselves with the Taliban and that would be the end of our problem.

How F'd up do you possibly have to be to consider allying yourself with the Taliban over.....anything?

How could allying yourself with the Taliban be the end of your problems?!?!?

I think you really need to step back and look at the history of basically any country that enjoys good relations with the US, vs. the history of countries that shun the US. The Taliban....WTF....

Chuck
 

Nebor

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Actually we'd ally ourselves with the Taliban and that would be the end of our problem.

The Taliban no longer has the weapons, support or command structure to retake control of Afghanistan if we left. Afghanistan would devolve into warring provinces headed by regional warlords. This would have a destabilizing influence on Pakistan.
 

Schadenfroh

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Why run to the USA when the world's next superpower is a neighbour and friend?
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Most of our $$$ don't come from the USA anymore. They come from China.
While Pakistan has gotten the shaft at the hands of western powers for most of its history, I think you can ask the PRC's other neighbors about how friendly their government is when you are forced to do something that causes them to lose face (see Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia) or if you have something their leaders want.

Pakistan is likely safe and can be good friends with China as long as India is perceived as a rival or a threat to China and Pakistan can continue to provide rivalry / annoyances to India for the PRC by proxy. America is not much better than the PRC in this regard, as long as India was cozy with the Soviets, we tried to be cozy with their rival, Pakistan.

America used Pakistan just as China will use Pakistan.

The best way to free Pakistan is for its leaders to not accept any foreign aid that might cause foreign influence over domestic politics and vote to remove foreign military forces from its soil. Time for Pakistan's people to break the cycle and free Pakistan by stopping the sale its sovereignty for handouts, be it to China or NATO.
 

chucky2

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It won't matter, the culture over there is more corrupt than the one we have in Washington, D.C. The best thing to happen to that region would be a neutron bomb. Let people who don't think it's a good idea to throw stones into a womans face for having walked alone or some other such insanity re-settle the area.
 

Craig234

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Sure, if you don't consider living under Taliban rule a problem.

Yes, because the US would never consider anything but opposing the Taliban.

Oh, wait, except for our giving them tens of millions in aid in 2001, our telling them we had no problem with their remaining in power if they handed over bin Laden...

Our position on the Taliban had a lot more to do with their letting us build an oil pipeline than their repression of the Afghan people.

Afghanistan lost a more modern, secular democracy when the US helped kill it off in the 1970's, backing the Muslim extremists, for our own agenda trying to draw in Soviets.

The biggest enemy of the Afghan people getting better than the Taliban was us. After the 'victory' driving out the bad occupation by the Soviets, what was left as a force?

The Soviets had executed the left-wing leader of the country who invited them in - but the extremist Muslims had some weapons and organization...
 

JS80

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While Pakistan has gotten the shaft at the hands of western powers for most of its history, I think you can ask the PRC's other neighbors about how friendly their government is when you are forced to do something that causes them to lose face (see Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia) or if you have something their leaders want.

Pakistan is likely safe and can be good friends with China as long as India is perceived as a rival or a threat to China and Pakistan can continue to provide rivalry / annoyances to India for the PRC by proxy. America is not much better than the PRC in this regard, as long as India was cozy with the Soviets, we tried to be cozy with their rival, Pakistan.

America used Pakistan just as China will use Pakistan.

The best way to free Pakistan is for its leaders to not accept any foreign aid that might cause foreign influence over domestic politics and vote to remove foreign military forces from its soil. Time for Pakistan's people to break the cycle and free Pakistan by stopping the sale its sovereignty for handouts, be it to China or NATO.

And let the jihadists take control?
 

xj0hnx

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Actually we'd ally ourselves with the Taliban and that would be the end of our problem.

LOL, that would be just the beginning of your problems. As far as us keeping our money, and you keeping your "supply" lines (would those be the ones that copious amounts of Afghan heroin flows through?), as Darwin said, deal.
 

The Green Bean

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The best way to free Pakistan is for its leaders to not accept any foreign aid that might cause foreign influence over domestic politics and vote to remove foreign military forces from its soil. Time for Pakistan's people to break the cycle and free Pakistan by stopping the sale its sovereignty for handouts, be it to China or NATO.

I agree. Pakistan is estimated to have $100 trillion worth of natural resources. Corruption and insurgencies are making in difficult to mine them. In Sindh close to 13$ trillion of coal reserves are estimated. The retarded government has made a deal with American companies. Everyone knows how corrupt these companies are (ENRON? Bank of America?).

Then there is Balochistan which is regarded as the richest yet poorest of all provinces. The problem is the exploitation of the masses by its elite. Any sort of real democracy there would mean the elite would lose out and thus they are brainwashing the masses with help from India to stage an insurgency.

Then there are problems of America's war in Afghanistan. Democracy in Pakistan = American rule.
 

The Green Bean

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And yet when Pakistan had a flooding problem, you were in this forum begging for money from Americans.

:hmm:

There are many great things about America but freedom, justice and foreign policy are not among them.

Freedom: Wikileaks?
Justice: Guantanamo?
 

chucky2

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Freedom: A woman can walk wherever she wants and not get killed because she didn't have 45 brothers escorting her. EDIT: Haha, heck the woman would probably get killed because she'd have 45 'brothers' 'escorting' her... :D Couldn't resist... :D :D

Justice: We even let murderers go free here, look at O.J.!

Foreign policy: We just ask that people not attack us, civilians for civilians sake, or brutalize their people. Well heck, we even turn a blind eye towards you all brutalizing yoruselves, because, well, your internal policy's are so much better than our evil foreign policies, that you - well, it's more like your corrupt political and religous Leaders - need to get all hyped up that we ask your ISI to stop aiding the people we're trying to keep from tearing up Afghanistan.

Gosh....America...we're just so....evil....

But, hey...don't pay attention to Japan, Germany, Italy, Vietnam, India, etc....all who instead of trump up BS via their fundi religion, enjoy vastly better relations with us and hence, vastly increased standards of living. F'ing evil America...god, how dare we increase their standard of living!!!
 
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Nebor

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There are many great things about America but freedom, justice and foreign policy are not among them.

Freedom: Wikileaks?
Justice: Guantanamo?

I'm not sure what Wikileaks has to do with freedom. And Guantanamo Bay isn't even IN America, silly.
 

JS80

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I agree. Pakistan is estimated to have $100 trillion worth of natural resources. Corruption and insurgencies are making in difficult to mine them. In Sindh close to 13$ trillion of coal reserves are estimated. The retarded government has made a deal with American companies. Everyone knows how corrupt these companies are (ENRON? Bank of America?).

Then there is Balochistan which is regarded as the richest yet poorest of all provinces. The problem is the exploitation of the masses by its elite. Any sort of real democracy there would mean the elite would lose out and thus they are brainwashing the masses with help from India to stage an insurgency.

Then there are problems of America's war in Afghanistan. Democracy in Pakistan = American rule.

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The Green Bean

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But, hey...don't pay attention to Japan, Germany, Italy, Vietnam, India, etc....all who instead of trump up BS via their fundi religion, enjoy vastly better relations with us and hence, vastly increased standards of living. F'ing evil America...god, how dare we increase their standard of living!!!

ROFL @ India having better standards of living. Their economy is only booming because of the super-rich. I've been to India and they have so much poverty, Pakistan feels like a good place to live. India is over-hyped. It has potential but it has so many hurdles to overcome. The corruption there is unparalleled. The Prime Minister's wife was involved in a $100 billion scan recently. They have 14 insurgencies going on at once. India only has good relations with USA because the USA feels having India on their side might help them to fight to imminent rise of China. It's a matter of time before China becomes the bully and America its dog. It economic terms at least.

I salute Japan and Germany. I really wish we had leaders and people like theirs. But then again, American intentions in Japan and Germany were different than their intention in their Muslim world.

I've traveled half the world. I sincerely believe that the American media is unnecessary defaming Muslims. It's easy to see its effects here on these forum. America = Innocent Virgin. Everyone Else = Rapists. I'm not downplaying our problems but they are greatly exaggerated by the media. Do you ever hear about anything good happening in Iran? It's not because nothing happens, it's because your media is fucked up Israeli lobbyists.
 
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Zebo

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ROFL @ India having better standards of living. Their economy is only booming because of the super-rich. I've been to India and they have so much poverty, Pakistan feels like a good place to live. India is over-hyped. It has potential but it has so many hurdles to overcome. The corruption there is unparalleled. The Prime Minister's wife was involved in a $100 billion scan recently. They have 14 insurgencies going on at once. India only has good relations with USA because the USA feels having India on their side might help them to fight to imminent rise of China. It's a matter of time before China becomes the bully and America its dog. It economic terms at least.

I salute Japan and Germany. I really wish we had leaders and people like theirs. But then again, American intentions in Japan and Germany were different than their intention in their Muslim world.

I've traveled half the world. I sincerely believe that the American media is unnecessary defaming Muslims. It's easy to see its effects here on these forum. America = Innocent Virgin. Everyone Else = Rapists. I'm not downplaying our problems but they are greatly exaggerated by the media. Do you ever hear about anything good happening in Iran? It's not because nothing happens, it's because your media is fucked up Israeli lobbyists.

There is nothing to defame. I can post a news story every day about Pakistan alone how either some Hindus is getting chopped up by a Muslim mob, or 40,000 rioters calling for jihad and nuking India, or "honor killing" etc if you act like animals expect people to call you on it when they start looking into motivations and you got a Koran in hand while acting despicably of course you get called out.
 

The Green Bean

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There is nothing to defame. I can post a news story every day about Pakistan alone how either some Hindus is getting chopped up by a Muslim mob, or 40,000 rioters calling for jihad and nuking India, or "honor killing" etc if you act like animals expect people to call you on it when they start looking into motivations and you got a Koran in hand while acting despicably of course you get called out.

Let's see you try.