Give me YOUR reasons why I should buy Diablo 2

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gothamhunter

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- Despite receiving regular patches over a decade, it's still buggy as all hell
- Lots of dead-end skills and character builds. And I'm not talking about randomly assigning skills that don't complement each other, even if you try to max out all the skills in one tree you might still be useless in the late game unless you do everything perfectly
- Duped items are everywhere online. I actually enjoy offline (single player) more, which puts me in the minority.

This might turn him off, so I'm going to clarify a little bit:

First off, I don't really know what about the game is buggy AT ALL. If there are ANY bugs, they aren't the type of bugs that are in games nowadays i.e. graphical bugs or game-ending bugs. Honestly, I have never encountered a bug in this game.

Duped items exist, but don't worry so much about it; people usually have them for personal use or for trading, and you can usually tell that if someone is offering you UBERL33T end-game gear for near nothing then it's probably duped.

Most builds work through the entire normal game. A small percentage of builds do not work through nightmare mode. There are about 1/3 builds that are viable end-game in hell mode. With that said, after you get that far, you have a hang of the game and can be "rushed" into end-game hell if you want, which can take like...3 hours? lol

I suppose these are...negatives for this game, but I think this guy is grasping straws. Besides the low resolution, I have 0 complaints about this game.
 

AstroManLuca

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First off, I don't really know what about the game is buggy AT ALL. If there are ANY bugs, they aren't the type of bugs that are in games nowadays i.e. graphical bugs or game-ending bugs. Honestly, I have never encountered a bug in this game.

I guess I should clarify what I meant by bugs. Are there game-breaking bugs? Not really. It doesn't crash ever ten minutes if that's what I implied. It barely crashes at all, actually. However, there are bugs in that many things don't work how they're supposed to. The character info screen never shows correct values for anything. Many skills don't work the way they're supposed to either. Most of these are due to typos or oversights in the game's code. But they don't really detract from the overall game, and they don't cause crashes.

Duped items exist, but don't worry so much about it; people usually have them for personal use or for trading, and you can usually tell that if someone is offering you UBERL33T end-game gear for near nothing then it's probably duped.

Mostly true. The economy is shot, so finding a rare item or getting lots of gold doesn't really help you unless one of your characters can use it. But getting rare duped items from someone is a lot faster than doing a million Baal runs to get the same stuff legitimately. Then again, it also reduces the excitement when you do find a legit rare item on your own. But you could have played the game nonstop since release and never found a Zod rune. So duping is practically a necessity for some of the highest end items to exist at all.

Most builds work through the entire normal game. A small percentage of builds do not work through nightmare mode. There are about 1/3 builds that are viable end-game in hell mode. With that said, after you get that far, you have a hang of the game and can be "rushed" into end-game hell if you want, which can take like...3 hours? lol

I suppose these are...negatives for this game, but I think this guy is grasping straws. Besides the low resolution, I have 0 complaints about this game.

You can do okay in Hell for a little while, but completing it is going to be tough without very good equipment and a good build. Although probably any of the top-tier builds for each class can get all the way through Hell solo with decent cheap gear, no need to go nuts on +1 skill charms or Enigmas. With teammates to cover your weaknesses, you're probably fine.

I'm not grasping at straws, just stating my experiences. I'd say my time with D2 was more fun than not, but I've gotten past it. It's still worth buying.
 
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Dragonwell

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Oh wow, I got way more input than I really expected.

I would say that the biggest thing that bugged me in my demo playthroughs was the low resolution, but that was my only real gripe.

In addition to having a "hankering" for a game like this I've wanted one with solid, active multiplayer components. Based on what's said here I'm guessing D2's online community is still alive and well? Speaking of that, are there any serious gameplay differences between SP and MP in D2? Say, the worlds being bigger / more and tougher mobs / etc? I'm somehow being reminded of Freelancer here, and its small-scale server-based multiplayer was a lot of fun.

good thinking; it'll prevent him from playing anything else!

Could very well be that despite my building a brand new gaming rig as we speak I won't want to play anything else. :p

The game's officially on my purchase-in-the-near-future list. Is there a go-to place for D2 players other than perhaps any official Blizzard offerings?
 

Zenoth

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[...]Speaking of that, are there any serious gameplay differences between SP and MP in D2?

No. It's the exact same world size, number of maps, with randomization thrown in, such as the map's layout, placement of mobs, types of mobs, placement of interactives such as chests and shrines, etc, but the actual number of maps is the same, and some of them are never randomized in terms of layout, for instance the Sanctuary in Act IV, its layout is always the same, but inside it the enemies will be randomized. The quests are also the exact same. For all intent and purposes, it's the exact same game, with the difference being that if you happen to play Ladder (on-line you can play non-Ladder, or Ladder) then you'll have the possibility to access Ladder-exclusive items (unique items), Ladder-exclusive Runewords (via crafting) and Ladder-exclusive Horadric Cube recipes (still related to crafting). Those Ladder-exclusives are good, yes, but they are (mostly) very difficult to come by on your own, but since it's on-line you'll inevitably get some help, sometimes, if you're lucky (to get those items I mean, the Ladder-exclusives that is).

Additionally, the on-line economy from within the game itself is basically non-existent, and by that I mean that the "currency" are the Runes, and not any Runes, you must have at the very least some wanted mid-level Runes and of course idealy high-level Runes to trade for almost anything. I say "almost" because there are some exceptions, of course, and some players can be tolerant and accept other "valuables" such as item-to-item trading, for instance trading some item you found, which happens not to be a Rune, say... a mid-level unique item, for a similarly valuable item, so in the end no Runes were traded for anything. If not for non-Rune items (such as uniques or set items for example) then you can sometimes (I.E very rarely) manage to get some "cheap" (in terms of value) items with Gems (usually Perfect Gems, which fortunately aren't hard to come by starting from the Nightmare difficulty).

Truth be told, playing Diablo II on-line can be (and usually is) harsh, the items rarity system is very good, but the items drops are available to everyone, which means that it is a first-arrived-first-served system. If you play with "friends", or strangers (which will most likely be the case) there WILL be a "race" to get to the items first. A player who is familiar with the principle will always play around with the items highlight key at the ready, constantly on guard and ready to run at and loot the dropped items as you'd play with him/her/them. I for one played the game for years, many years... BUT... THAT very specific part of the game has always been my personal complaint. It IS contradictory to pretend that the game can be played in co-operation when in fact the only co-operation that occurs if it does is that sometimes players will target the same mob(s) as you do, and the co-operation stops right there. The game is NOT "friendly" when it comes to looting IF you play with other players on a regular basis, you WILL lose items simply by not having the time or the reflex to loot the items first and you WILL be frustrated by that even if you play it for years, the bad taste of seeing "your" items getting leeched or "stolen" always sticks.

In Diablo III, as often stated by Blizzard, the loot table is player-specific, which means that in a game in which four players play together they actually do play "together", completely, not just partially, simply because if you kill a mob, or many mobs, and one or more items drop, then YOU and ONLY you will see and be able to pick up those specific items, other players won't even SEE them, at all, and the same applies to you, you won't see "their" items, and THAT part of Diablo III is the ONLY reason why I do want to buy it and play that one over Diablo II, because otherwise I'm pretty sure that Diablo II would have remained the king in comparison (although that is still just speculation on my part).

So, "co-operation" in Diablo III will be existent in all senses of the word, in Diablo II however it really depends on the player(s) themselves with whom you happen to be playing. If you play with someone who really doesn't care that much about loot or because that player already "has it all" (which basically doesn't exist in Diablo II) then perhaps, yes, such a player could possibly just "ignore" the items as they drop, as he/she helps you around and let you pick them up, but don't expect such a player to actually TELL you what he/she found on "his/her own" as you both quested around together. There IS hypocrisy in Diablo II but there ARE "mature" and nice players around, they DO play the game and I have met some of them, not many I must say but that's a given, Diablo II is the type of game with a loot system that forces the most greedy natures of players out in the open and you'll realize that soon enough. You may even be one of them without being aware of it or without being able to admit it, as I've been myself during the first years... then I calmed down as I aged, I guess, until I actually quit the game, three quitting attempts later, roughly eight years after I started playing it.

So anyway, you've been warned. It IS a fabulous game, the game-play mechanics themselves work wonders, to me and despite some of its drawbacks the game is almost perfect, almost, since of course no games are actually perfect (not in my book anyway), but Diablo II is on my top three list of the very best video games that I myself have played in my whole life so far, it's just that good. Even though I haven't played it for even ten minutes since the past two years or so, or a bit less than that but I haven't touched it in a long time and I do not plan on going back at it. I'm waiting for Diablo III right now, and in the meantime I occasionally play Torchlight.

EDIT: Also, I highly recommend you to check out there basics of the game before plunging blindly in its world, check out the Arreat Summit, a well known and beloved database about everything you need to know: http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/
 
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TidusZ

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I've put about as many hours into D2 as I have into wow (like 300 days /played) and its basically the best game of its kind. If you can get past the horribly dated 800x600 graphics then you will have fun with it for a long time. If you somehow get bored of it before Diablo 3 you can download Median XL (a D2 mod with high production value) and play on private servers or w/e.
 

gothamhunter

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If you're going to play it, remember it's a 10+ year old game now ....

And SNES games are older than that, but still have an amazing following. As long as the game is actually good, it won't matter how old it is.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Crystalis.
 

ViviTheMage

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And SNES games are older than that, but still have an amazing following. As long as the game is actually good, it won't matter how old it is.

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Crystalis.

You don't need to sell me, I love old games ... but some people go back and say they look like shit, and are the worst games because of it.

Plus, the community is not like what it was 10 years ago ... man that was fun/insane.

Windforce for $1,000 anyone? Shit is unidentified!! No dupe :).

I used to ebay so much of that stuff, haha.
 

skace

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Why would I try to sell someone on D2? If you haven't played it yet then you missed the bus. While you could certainly play it, I don't believe it will have the magic it had at first release right now and you certainly only have a shadow of the original community to compare with. It might be an enjoyable experience for you, but it could also ruin your opinion of an amazing series by playing it so late and right before D3 comes out.

Play whatever you want to play, Blizzard doesn't really need anyone else playing D2 thus I don't feel like being their mouthpiece.
 

Jeeebus

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I've managed to successfully stay away from D2 for about two years now. The game is e-crack, especially if you play online. I probably still have 5,000 or so JSP gold, but I'm too afraid to sign onto the website in fear that it will inspire me to reinstall the damn game.

There are no ex-D2 players, just recovering junkies.
 

Skott

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I liked Both Diablo 2 and Torchlight. I think D2 was better though. I just enjoyed the whole system and how it was implemented more. I avoid MP games so I never tried D2 other than single player. If the OP liked Torchlight then he will enjoy D2. Like others have mentioned though its an older game so graphics are not 2011 quality. It is fun however and that makes up for a lot. Just my two coppers about the subject.
 

ShadowVVL

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issue with online play is 90% of the players you run into on a daily basis are usually assholes,people who dont speak english or people who have consumed more drugs then you though was humanly possible making then not much fun to be around.

but playing with friends over ip is a whole different story and loads of fun.
 

Dragonwell

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So I caved and bought it.

Played barbarian to level 8 or 9, and then switched to necro.

Necro > barbarian.

Holy shit this game is addictive.
 

Josh123

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So I caved and bought it.

Played barbarian to level 8 or 9, and then switched to necro.

Necro > barbarian.

Holy shit this game is addictive.

Necro was my very first toon I made through single player when I first picked up the game. I got him to the 3rd act and couldn't get through it. I gave up on him and started playing online and it was all down hill after that. My favorite toon was my glass cannon Bowazon that destroyed mobs.
 

Dragonwell

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I figured the stupidly stupid effectiveness of my skelly swarm would drop off at some point, though I expected it to be sooner than Act III. That's assuming you went the same route. I've got all but two points in the Summon Skeleton skill as of level 11.
 

gothamhunter

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I figured the stupidly stupid effectiveness of my skelly swarm would drop off at some point, though I expected it to be sooner than Act III. That's assuming you went the same route. I've got all but two points in the Summon Skeleton skill as of level 11.

Skelly toon can actually get you all the way through normal mode, and I think through nightmare if you're smart. Make sure you put at least 1 point into bone armor though - it's worth it, and if you're willing to spare a few points, get Decrepify from the curses tree (I think it's decrepify). You won't believe how much it will help.

In Hell your toon will be all but worthless (they just don't do enough damage to Hell mobs), but it's still fun nonetheless and it will give you a good idea on the game.

Barbs are, imo, the worst class because they don't give you a good idea of the game at all. Personally:

Best classes:
Necro, Sorc, Druid, Paladin

Not best but still awesome:
Sin, Amazon

Why do you exist:
Barb

HAVE FUN! :)
 
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Josh123

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I figured the stupidly stupid effectiveness of my skelly swarm would drop off at some point, though I expected it to be sooner than Act III. That's assuming you went the same route. I've got all but two points in the Summon Skeleton skill as of level 11.

Ya, I think I maxed out Bone Spear and that was my main source of damage when I made him. He got butchered by all the pigmi guys if I remember correctly lol.
 

AstroManLuca

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Skelly toon can actually get you all the way through normal mode, and I think through nightmare if you're smart. Make sure you put at least 1 point into bone armor though - it's worth it, and if you're willing to spare a few points, get Decrepify from the curses tree (I think it's decrepify). You won't believe how much it will help.

In Hell your toon will be all but worthless (they just don't do enough damage to Hell mobs), but it's still fun nonetheless and it will give you a good idea on the game.

Barbs are, imo, the worst class because they don't give you a good idea of the game at all. Personally:

Best classes:
Necro, Sorc, Druid, Paladin

Not best but still awesome:
Sin, Amazon

Why do you exist:
Barb

HAVE FUN! :)

Heh, skelliemancer was always my go-to build when I started playing again and I didn't have any gear. Not gear dependent at all really.

I actually got all the way through hell with it although it was not easy for a few reasons. Hardest part is that Baal will wipe our your skellies and you don't have any corpses you can use to get more. Still, outside of the last boss fight, it's a very effective build.

Amp Damage is the curse of choice for normal enemies; one point in Decrepify is a must for bosses. Oh and corpse explosion! If all you do is max skeletons, mastery, and corpse explosion, with a point in amp damage, decrep, and clay golem, you're in good shape.

Barbs are tough because they are very gear-dependent.
 

BudAshes

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if they could make it look good on a big screen I would totally go back and play it again.