Give me some arguments why homosexuality is wrong and should be declared illegal.

[Smoblikat]

Simply not true. Some Males do not have this impulse, some Females also do not have this impulse. We call those people Homosexuals.

You are arguing from a pre-supposition of nonsensical positions assuming Nature as an Entity with Intent. No such thing exists except for in your mind.

Whether one is born with a Penis or a Vagina doesn't determine their Sexuality.

Youre right, we do call those people homosexuals. Whats your point? we arent arguing what being a homosexual is called, we are arguing if its right or not. I am saying that the only reason any of us are even here right now is because nature has hard wired just about every living creature on the planet to actively seek out, and mate with a member of the opposite sex. Nature is not an entity, and it has no intent, its just a term that easily describes the instinct and goal for all living creatures.

Homosexuality is biologically wrong, that is an absolutely factual statement.

 

[Retro Rob]

Murder happens in the animal kingdom?

I see hungry predators killing their prey, is that murder?

Do animals think about and plan to murder another animal or are you viewing an animals thinking process from your human perspective?

Do you think animals refer to themselves as "gay" or "homosexual", yet, we call that "homosexual" behavior? Do animals fight with homosexual feelings, deny them, then finally accept what they are later on in life?

Really, all I have to do is turn your fallacious reasoning back on to you to expose your faulty logic.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So, its not technically natural, but it is natrual when its time to win an argument..

That's...fine, I guess.

No, it's always natural. The "natural"ness of homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with whether gay marriage should be legalized. It's not an argument in favor of marriage, it's a refutation of the claim that homosexuality is unnatural. That's it. It's easier to dehumanize someone if you claim they're unnatural and it's easier to disenfranchise someone's rights if you've dehumanized them, so the unnatural argument often gets raised in gay marriage debates, but it's a side argument that doesn't enter into whether or not they should be allowed to marry.

 

[Atreus21]

What about straight marriages that fail to produce children? Should they be forced to divorce? Or should we mandate that couples have children before they're allowed to marry, just to take any chance of someone gaming the system off the table? If the point of the benefits of marriage is solely for reproduction and the raising of children, then surely those benefits should be off-limits to straight couples who do not raise children?

Just because straight marriages don't always produce children doesn't mean they aren't far and away the most likely to do so. Society doesn't need to expend money and effort to strictly enforce that childless couples don't marry. Some couples are infertile and don't know it. Others think they are but aren't. For society, the cost outweighs the benefit.

 

[Abwx]

Homosexuality is biologically wrong, that is an absolutely factual statement.

Tell people that a 30 year gay has the right to do sexual propositions to their 16 year old sons and that parents have no right to mess in his decision, then you ll hear that they didnt thought that they would have to be confronted to such a situation, heck, they thought that it would only fall on other people children..

Actualy all thoses laws are encouraged by sexual predators that are part of the ruling elite...

 

[Fern]

Murder happens in the animal kingdom?
-snip-

Yes. I have personally witnessed it in cats. I've also seen it in dogs, at least one example was fighting over a female in heat.

So, yes, murder happens in the animal kingdom and for various reasons.

Fern

 

[brycejones]

Tell people that a 30 year gay has the right to do sexual propositions to their 16 year old sons and that parents have no right to mess in his decision, then you ll hear that they didnt thought that they would have to be confronted to such a situation, heck, they thought that it would only fall on other people children..

Actualy all thoses laws are encouraged by sexual predators that are part of the ruling elite...

wut?

 

[sandorski]

Youre right, we do call those people homosexuals. Whats your point? we arent arguing what being a homosexual is called, we are arguing if its right or not. I am saying that the only reason any of us are even here right now is because nature has hard wired just about every living creature on the planet to actively seek out, and mate with a member of the opposite sex. Nature is not an entity, and it has no intent, its just a term that easily describes the instinct and goal for all living creatures.

Homosexuality is biologically wrong, that is an absolutely factual statement.

What does that even mean? If one's Sexuality they are born with is Homosexuality, how can that not be "Natural". Is it because they are a small Minority?

Your argument is incoherent at this point, especially considering that you are apparently conceding this: "...nature has hard wired just about every living creature on the planet to actively seek out, and mate with a member of the opposite sex..."

I could be misunderstand your point there, but it seems like you realize that some Humans are not hardwired this way.

That said, perhaps you meant that certain species do not have Sexes. To that I would say that clearly and unequivocally Homosexuals are not. What you state is demonstrably False and non-Factual.

 

[Abwx]

No, it's always natural. The "natural"ness of homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with whether gay marriage should be legalized.

The "naturalness" of homosexuality is based on pederasty, that is, sexual relation between an adult and a teen, this is the most sought sexual relation by adults homosexuals, this is not obvious because such relations were forbidden for a long time but just ask a gay if he prefer a 16 year old or a 30 year old as sexual partner and you ll get the real picture, these people are sexual predators and deviants.

wut?

Yes, age of legal consent extend to all kind of lawfull sexual relation, a 16 year old teen has no permission to ask to his parents if a 30 year gay is seeking sexual relations with him.

In Spain it s 13 years old, 14 in Germany, 15 in France, at this age they are a prey more than anything else.

 

[sandorski]

Tell people that a 30 year gay has the right to do sexual propositions to their 16 year old sons and that parents have no right to mess in his decision, then you ll hear that they didnt thought that they would have to be confronted to such a situation, heck, they thought that it would only fall on other people children..

Actualy all thoses laws are encouraged by sexual predators that are part of the ruling elite...

So a 30 year old dude wanting to bang someones 16 year old daughter will be gleefully accepted?

 

[sandorski]

The "naturalness" of homosexuality is based on pederasty, that is, sexual relation between an adult and a teen, this is the most sought sexual relation by adults homosexuals, this is not obvious because such relations were forbidden for a long time but just ask a gay if he prefer a 16 year old or a 30 year old as sexual partner and you ll get the real picture, these people are sexual predators and deviants.

You are worse than they are. This thread is not about Pederasty. It is about consenting Adults and would comprise the Majority of the Homosexual community. You are also conflating Age of Consent issues to where they don't belong.

 

[Retro Rob]

No, it's always natural. The "natural"ness of homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with whether gay marriage should be legalized. It's not an argument in favor of marriage, it's a refutation of the claim that homosexuality is unnatural. That's it. It's easier to dehumanize someone if you claim they're unnatural and it's easier to disenfranchise someone's rights if you've dehumanized them, so the unnatural argument often gets raised in gay marriage debates, but it's a side argument that doesn't enter into whether or not they should be allowed to marry.

I largely agree with the reason why that arguement is put forth, but you guys are simply cherry-picking when nature should apply to a particular subject.

You guys would jump at the opportunity to call a convicted mass-murderer a "monster", yet, he's really just doing what natrue dictates.

Have you ever seen a Hornet raze a beehive? That's some of the most outstanding displays of home invasion, and mass, wanton genocide.

It happens in nature as well, but we don't want to go there when it doesn't suit our purpose...

 

[soulcougher73]

Homosexuality shouldn't be illegal. Gay marriages should be illegal on grounds that they cannot produce children, which is fundamentally why society regulates marriage in the first place.

That is the farthest thing from the truth of why society has laws and regulations on marriage LOL. It is so far away id bet its not actually part of the federal law on marriage at all.

 

[Victorian Gray]

nm

 

[alzan]

Yes. I have personally witnessed it in cats. I've also seen it in dogs, at least one example was fighting over a female in heat.

So, yes, murder happens in the animal kingdom and for various reasons.

Fern

So what you're saying is that you're viewing animal behavior from a human perspective and substituting human words and experiences.

 

[soulcougher73]

Why are we talking about what nature says?

If we listen to what nature says, then I should be able to freely fuck little boys, little girls, a raccoon, my dog, a transexual, and penguins - are all of those socially acceptable? Can I get married to those, too?


Your nature argument is invalid unless you agree to everything I just said.

Consenting adults mean anything to you? Of your list you could marry the transexual (assuming they are of legal age), but the rest are off limits for a legal contract. Sorry..you can still fuck them though if you want.

 

[CitizenKain]

The "naturalness" of homosexuality is based on pederasty, that is, sexual relation between an adult and a teen, this is the most sought sexual relation by adults homosexuals, this is not obvious because such relations were forbidden for a long time but just ask a gay if he prefer a 16 year old or a 30 year old as sexual partner and you ll get the real picture, these people are sexual predators and deviants.



Yes, age of legal consent extend to all kind of lawfull sexual relation, a 16 year old teen has no permission to ask to his parents if a 30 year gay is seeking sexual relations with him.

In Spain it s 13 years old, 14 in Germany, 15 in France, at this age they are a prey more than anything else.

You might want to learn how to string a sentence together before you try to handle anymore more difficult.
Where are your facts? You seem to be posting a lot of dumb shit, and I'd love to see where you are getting them from so I can laugh at you more.

 

[Abwx]

So a 30 year old dude wanting to bang someones 16 year old daughter will be gleefully accepted?

Did i say that it was ok.??

It should be forbidden as well, a 30 year old man attraccted by a 16 year old girls is just sexually attracted, that s nature at work, for sure it s not for the girls sweet eyes but only the attractiveness that about every man feel for about any woman.

You are worse than they are. This thread is not about Pederasty. It is about consenting Adults and would comprise the Majority of the Homosexual community. You are also conflating Age of Consent issues to where they don't belong.

Ok that it s not about pederasty but then i dont understand why a 16 year old is considered as sexualy mature but not political rights mature, there s a discretanpcy there, if he s not aged enough to make responsible political choice how would he be mature enough to do sexual decisions.??.

So at 16 years one is considered a child politicaly speaking but an adult sexualy speaking...

As to age of consent it has everything to do with this thread, a 30 year old gay can marry with a 16 year old teen or simply have sexual relations with him the most lawfully possible, before voting rights that one should study all the consequences, it s not an adult/adult affair only actualy...

 

[soulcougher73]

Should gay marrigae be illegal?

Probably not.

Am I free to see gay marriage as wrong? You betcha!

I would venture to say that as long as I'm not being forced to accept it, and can live my life free from being forced to somehow incorporate gay marriage into my own life and lifesyle, then I would have no problem with it being legal as both parties are free to continue their lives free of interruption with this.

However, if I am somehow e being forced to accept it, then you'll have a fight on your hands.

Other than that, we can all get along fine.

How would you be forced to accept something you think should be legal anyways? Why would anyone force a gay marriage/lifestyle into your life? That makes no sense.

 

[Retro Rob]

So what you're saying is that you're viewing animal behavior from a human perspective and substituting human words and experiences.

Do animals call themselves "gay" or "homosexual"?

Please, answer the question.

 

[MrPickins]

So, its not technically natural, but it is natrual when its time to win an argument..

That's...fine, I guess.

/facepalm

Do you even think before you post?

The point is that it is natural, not that being natural makes it right.

 

[Retro Rob]

How would you be forced to accept something you think should be legal anyways? Why would anyone force a gay marriage/lifestyle into your life? That makes no sense.

I don't think I would, but I included that as a reason why I'd oppose SSM, but as long as that doesn't happen, I have no valid reason to oppose it.

That's the point.

 

[Atreus21]

That is the farthest thing from the truth of why society has laws and regulations on marriage LOL. It is so far away id bet its not actually part of the federal law on marriage at all.

So what's your rebuttal?

 

[sandorski]

Do animals call themselves "gay" or "homosexual"?

Please, answer the question.

Do animals have a Language?

 

[Retro Rob]

Do animals have a Language?

So why refer to animal behavior as "homosexual"? We're just sticking our human experience on them the same way I am with saying they "murder".

I think you understand why I asked Alzan that question.