Give me some arguments why homosexuality is wrong and should be declared illegal.

[Smoblikat]

Who said ANYTHING about Christianity? How about society? How about history?

How about Part A doesn't go with Part A? How about babies can't be made from there? The list goes on and on and on and on and on....

You did when you agreed with the quote about the bible. You know, that book about Christianity?

 

[Smoblikat]

It may not be "natural" for you, but it is for some.

Does Nature talk to you?

How do you Know it goes against Nature?

Yes, I have talked with nature. As a human being, I am part of what is considered "Nature", that is, I am a natural being. There is no subjective natural tendencies. Nature very explicitly stated that men pair up nicely with women, not with other men.

 

[JEDIYoda]

more trolling on the subject of homosexuality..........it truly is a sad day for ATOT!!

 

[sandorski]

Yes, I have talked with nature. As a human being, I am part of what is considered "Nature", that is, I am a natural being. There is no subjective natural tendencies. Nature very explicitly stated that men pair up nicely with women, not with other men.

Is your favourite colour Natures favourite colour?

 

[Abwx]

Not all people Marry for the sole purpose of having a Family. Some do it exclusively as an act of Love and desire for Companionship. My Mother for eg, who got remarried a year ago at the age of 66. Should she have been denied Marriage?

Companionship doesnt need a formal legal paper, if it was for love they wouldnt ask for rights that are normaly granted to families and that are actualy money related.

The case of your mother is vastly different, she s a woman and a there s woman that cant live alone, it s not because she s 66 that her feminine nature will change, to prove your love to a woman you ll often have to marry her, such is the feminine nature, and this has nothing to do with money.

 

[Smoblikat]

Is your favourite colour Natures favourite colour?

What does that even mean?

How did we go from talking about homosexuality to colors? I think you just dont have anything insightful to add, so you resort to good old fashioned distractions.

 

[SlowSpyder]

A likely discussion point avoiding religious "talk" is in relation to survival of the species. If we argue that specie survival is paramount, then anything that interferes with that process would be immoral and could possibly be legislated.

Dumb topic, none the less science says same sex people can't reproduce, prove science wrong and then marry away.

At what point does a population of species leveling off or even declining some become a benefit for the survival of a species and more population a potential negative for a species?

Also, there are a lot of straight couples who choose not to have kids or can't have kids due to biological problems or age. We allow them to date and marry despite not adding to the reproductive cycle.

I think being a homosexual is as foreign of an idea as the next straight person probably does. But I can't see a single reason that has any real merit in why gay people shouldn't enjoy the same rights as everyone else. Live and let live. The religious / conservatives / anti-gay don't own marriage.

 

[Smoblikat]

At what point does a population of species leveling off or even declining some become a benefit for the survival of a species and more population a potential negative for a species?

Also, there are a lot of straight couples who choose not to have kids or can't have kids due to biological problems or age. We allow them to date and marry despite not adding to the reproductive cycle.

I think being a homosexual is as foreign of an idea as the next straight person probably does. But I can't see a single reason that has any real merit in why gay people shouldn't enjoy the same rights as everyone else. Live and let live. The religious / conservatives / anti-gay don't own marriage.

Ya, I agree with that. I think being gay is weird and gross, but I dont have a problem with anyone who is gay. Its none of my concern what people do to themselves.

 

[Subyman]

Part of marriage IS sex though, if you get married and never have sex its like buying a new car and leaving it at the dealership.

Marriage is not about reproduction though. Marriage these days is a tax haven, provides additional government supports, and helps simplify finances. All those things shouldn't be taken from someone because they can't reproduce together. May as well ban infertile people from marriage as well.

 

[Smoblikat]

Marriage is not about reproduction though. Marriage these days is a tax haven, provides additional government supports, and helps simplify finances. All those things shouldn't be taken from someone because they can't reproduce together. May as well ban infertile people from marriage as well.

I think you missed my point, im not looking to ban gay marriage or discriminate in any way. I just think being gay is wrong, but I do not care at all what you do on your own, as long as it doesnt affect me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

ITT: conservative ignoramuses displaying their ignorance.

Must be a day that ends in "y."

 

[MrPickins]

Why is it wrong? Because it goes against everything nature intended, physically it shouldn't happen.

Should it be illegal? No, I dont care what you do on your own time. As long as your decisions dont affect me, I dont care about them. I just think being gay is stupid and would never want to be with someone of the same sex.

Nature doesn't "intend" anything. It just happens.

 

[schmuckley]

dogpoo
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FYI:Sodomy has been and is still illegal in several states;also the military.

http://www.salon.com/2013/12/15/sodomy_laws_still_exist/

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm125.htm

 

[Kadarin]

Nature very explicitly stated that men pair up nicely with women, not with other men.

Nature also explicitly states that seals should have sex with penguins:

(in other words, you are full of shit.)

 

[Smoblikat]

Nature also explicitly states that seals should have sex with penguins:

(in other words, you are full of shit.)

Actually thats wrong too, but you're too stupid to see why

 

[sandorski]

What does that even mean?

How did we go from talking about homosexuality to colors? I think you just dont have anything insightful to add, so you resort to good old fashioned distractions.

Not a distraction at all. It is an example of one's attraction to something. You don't find people of your Sex attractive, that's fine, but some people do. Your mistake is in assuming that what you find Attractive is what "Nature" deems to be normal/acceptable. So people who have a different favourite colour than you are not going against Nature.

 

[Abwx]

Nature also explicitly states that seals should have sex with penguins:

(in other words, you are full of shit.)

Nature says that a lot of animals do not know what is their own sexuality before learning from their siblings, particularly it has been proved that young penguins have no knowledge of how to perform reproduction and that they are trying all possible things including homosexuality, but that last only the time needed for learning, so in a way their homosexuality has it source in ignorance but certainly not in a deliberate preference.

 

[sandorski]

Companionship doesnt need a formal legal paper, if it was for love they wouldnt ask for rights that are normaly granted to families and that are actualy money related.

The case of your mother is vastly different, she s a woman and a there s woman that cant live alone, it s not because she s 66 that her feminine nature will change, to prove your love to a woman you ll often have to marry her, such is the feminine nature, and this has nothing to do with money.

The fact that she is 66 does mean she can't have any kids in that Marriage though. So you would in fact oppose her Marriage because of that?

 

[Atreus21]

Okay so based on what I know about homosexuality, I do not consider it a wrong thing. I feel that same-sex marriages should be allowed.

However I realize that there are many people who think differently. I respect the fact that people have differing opinions, and see it as a good thing. I would like to invite such people to present their views and change mine, if possible.

Here's a catch, however. The arguments made against homosexuality and same sex marriage must be scientific and non-religious in nature. Therefore, please do not make arguments like "The bible considers it a sin".

Start.

Homosexuality shouldn't be illegal. Gay marriages should be illegal on grounds that they cannot produce children, which is fundamentally why society regulates marriage in the first place.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Actually thats wrong too, but you're too stupid to see why

You don't get to use the "nature intends it" argument unless you're willing to accept every single thing that happens in nature as intentional. "Nature sometimes intends it but other times nature is just deluding itself" doesn't really work as an argument, because it comes right back to you defining nature as you see fit.

 

[Kadarin]

You don't get to use the "nature intends it" argument unless you're willing to accept every single thing that happens in nature as intentional. "Nature sometimes intends it but other times nature is just deluding itself" doesn't really work as an argument, because it comes right back to you defining nature as you see fit.

Exactly. But... you do realize he's too stupid to see why.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Homosexuality shouldn't be illegal. Gay marriages should be illegal on grounds that they cannot produce children, which is fundamentally why society regulates marriage in the first place.

What about gay people with children? I was raised by lesbian mothers. So was my brother and one was his biological mother. Why shouldn't our parents have been allowed to get married? Isn't the whole point of encouraging stable relationships as it pertains to children to give couples a stable environment for raising the child, not just conceiving it? Gay couples can raise children too.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Right. Can we actually conclude these animals are homosexual? Just taking penguin as an example, its said you can't even tell physically a difference between the males and females. So was the male-male penguin interaction based on them seeking out another male or they just didn't know any better? Do these "gay" animals exclusively seek out members of same sex, or would they also try to mate with the opposite sex?

They say dogs are smart, but I've seen dogs try to get it on with a stuffed animal.

Why do I even need to type this? And you call me doubling down on stupid.

You're right, I should have said you were quadrupling down on stupid. Homosexual behavior is normal in nature, therefore your claim that science proves that to be false is moronic, and unquestionably wrong.

That better?

 

[Abwx]

Not a distraction at all. It is an example of one's attraction to something. You don't find people of your Sex attractive, that's fine, but some people do.

This should be discussed in a thread.

Said attractiveness is mainly toward teens, now thoses teens that are supposed too young to be granted voting rights are estimated as being adults when it comes to sexual relations, that s just an aknwoledgment that the society is walking on its head.

According to thoses stupid laws a 13 years youngster in Spain, 14 in Germany and 15 in France, is considered as an adult since he can have sexual relations legally, wich is not a problem, but now the sexual majority extend to everything and those 13,14,15 years old teens are considererd reponsible enough as to have the right to accept sexual proposition from gays that are, voting rights wise, adults..

That is, pedophilia in pederastic relations is officialy allowed in Europe with stupid laws that decide that at a given age one is sexualy adults, but if they were really adults why not grant them voting rights..?.

The fact that she is 66 does mean she can't have any kids in that Marriage though.

This has nothing to do with the capacity to have children but with her psychological being, even if too aged she s still a woman with a woman psychism.

 

[Smoblikat]

Not a distraction at all. It is an example of one's attraction to something. You don't find people of your Sex attractive, that's fine, but some people do. Your mistake is in assuming that what you find Attractive is what "Nature" deems to be normal/acceptable. So people who have a different favourite colour than you are not going against Nature.

I think your problem is you think favorite colors and sexual orientation can be compared directly. The natural order of things is to have males attracted to females (and the other way around too) to reproduce, that is the natural order of things. Lets assume everyone on the planet was suddenly attracted to their own sex, what would happen in 100 years? Thats right............the human race would be over, all because we denied our instincts.

You don't get to use the "nature intends it" argument unless you're willing to accept every single thing that happens in nature as intentional. "Nature sometimes intends it but other times nature is just deluding itself" doesn't really work as an argument, because it comes right back to you defining nature as you see fit.

Not true at all. Im not talking about specific examples, nature has literally determined that the most effective thing to do is have males attracted to females, your argument is about cross species, which is irrelevant because a male seal is still being attracted to a female penguin. Cross species isnt the issue here, its same sex. Which does happen in the natural world (though probobly not intentionally) but its still wrong in nature when it happens.