Girl Kicked Off Plane After Tantrum

[animalia]

they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

Yes, 3 kids.

We go on vacation at a minimum twice a year and its an 8 hour drive one way. We've done it pretty much every year, starting with 1 kid...Moving on to 2...Moving on to 3.

Have I spanked my kids? Damn welll better belief it. Did I spank them all the time? Of course not. As you say, every situation is different and indeed so is every child. My oldest, she just needed that ass worked over every so often. Thats how she was. My middle, he's pretty quite and I could probably count the times I've spanked him on one hand. My youngest must have no feelings in her backside. But time out drives her up a wall. She cant stand it.
Oldest got spanked, middle got talked to (Which worked very welll, through all ages) and youngest gets time out alot.

And many people say we have pretty well behaved kids. They arent the best in the world, but their good enough we can take them out wherever we may want to go.



Now, the whole point it, we parented. We didnt just fvck and "Oops gee, kids" then let them run the yard and sit in front of the tv playing games all day. We parented. They have a set time to play games, aand only then once their homework is done. They can usuallly play outside whenever they want, but have bounds which they cant go beyond without asking and have to be back inside by a set time. We parent, we dont just fvck.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

I started traveling by plane with my daughter from when she was 8 months old. I can state... hand on heart... that she never, ever, not once pulled a tantrum while traveling. Or at any other time when we were in public. she knew from a VERY early age what was expected of her and I, as a parent, knew what was expected of me.

It was MY responsibility as a parent to ensure my child was entertained, mentally occupied and NOT being a menace to society with tantrums. I see so many parents who expect their kids to sit quietly while they DON'T pay attention to them. I never went out without books, crayons, toys..etc. and I paid attention to her. Additionally, the first sign of acting up... if it was not illness or hunger, or something else that I needed to rectify... we were off to the nearest ladies room for an ass smacking.

Funny thing about kids... they almost ALWAYS live up to your expectations of them.

🙂

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm with you on that. Sounds like the parents has absolutely no control over their kid. Wait until that kid is 14.

at 3 it is very hard to get control of a child. they really don't have 100% control anyway. so when they get intoa tantrum they totaly lose it.

but saying that they did the right thing. they should have kicked them off.

they should just give their kid a sedative or something if they are prone to going into tantrums while flying. A little bit of dramamine, and the kid would be out like a rock.

Only to have your kid taken away by protectice services....

Why would Protective services take away your child for giving them a small dose of Benadryl, Dramamine (or similar) that would make them sleepy? 😕

Unfortuately due to idiots that can't differentiate between a spanking & physical child abuse, these parents had few options when faced with a disobediant child & putting them off the plane was the only option the flight crew had.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

Break the law FTL.

Reading comprehension FTW

"AirTran officials say they were only following Federal Aviation Administration rules that children age 2 and above must have their own seat and be wearing a seatbelt upon takeoff. "

And what about all the other paying passengers? Just say "Well, we'll wait"......

 

[PClark99]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

Yes, 3 kids.

We go on vacation at a minimum twice a year and its an 8 hour drive one way. We've done it pretty much every year, starting with 1 kid...Moving on to 2...Moving on to 3.

Have I spanked my kids? Damn welll better belief it. Did I spank them all the time? Of course not. As you say, every situation is different and indeed so is every child. My oldest, she just needed that ass worked over every so often. Thats how she was. My middle, he's pretty quite and I could probably count the times I've spanked him on one hand. My youngest must have no feelings in her backside. But time out drives her up a wall. She cant stand it.
Oldest got spanked, middle got talked to (Which worked very welll, through all ages) and youngest gets time out alot.

And many people say we have pretty well behaved kids. They arent the best in the world, but their good enough we can take them out wherever we may want to go.



Now, the whole point it, we parented. We didnt just fvck and "Oops gee, kids" then let them run the yard and sit in front of the tv playing games all day. We parented. They have a set time to play games, aand only then once their homework is done. They can usuallly play outside whenever they want, but have bounds which they cant go beyond without asking and have to be back inside by a set time. We parent, we dont just fvck.

Sounds like you have it down to a fine art and science. 🙂

Right now we are into the terrible twos. Its not so bad, I have reserves of calm and patience I never thought I had. My wife on the other hand.....not so much.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

why should any of the other 120+ people on the plane have to listen to a screaming 3 yr old? if you can't get them under control then get off the plane.

 

[Crucial]

It's pretty obvious none of you have any 3 year olds. It's not as simple as "controling" them.

 

[PClark99]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

why should any of the other 120+ people on the plane have to listen to a screaming 3 yr old? if you can't get them under control then get off the plane.

what if they start screaming at 15,000 ft?

at least my little guy was good at takeoff. He did not like the ear popping thing and it went downhill quickly from there.

LOL

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

No one's disputing the difficulty of coping with a child of that age. OTOH, quite a few of us have experienced flights where a child or children were loud and obnoxious the entire way. As long as the kid is in the seat and buckled down, the airline's not going to do jack. Why couldn't they just buckle the kid in and let her have her fit in flight?

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

So, what should have they have done?

Allow the kid to kick and scream and continue her tantrum?

Throw out all the rules and regs on flight safety and allow the kid to NOT be seated and strapped in? (If that is the case and something goes wrong, should the parents be allowed to sue)

Make the plane just sit and wait until the 35 pound, 3year old... who has total control over the plane-..., decides that she is ready to sit and behave?

The parents needed to either take immediate control of their kid, or immediately get off the plane. They should not have been ass kissed, they should not have been refunded.

If they had any class whatsoever, they would have been ashamed that their parenting skills were so lacking, they needed to be asked to get off the plane. They were owed nothing. They owed the airline and every other passenger on board and apology.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: PClark99

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

Yes, 3 kids.

We go on vacation at a minimum twice a year and its an 8 hour drive one way. We've done it pretty much every year, starting with 1 kid...Moving on to 2...Moving on to 3.

Have I spanked my kids? Damn welll better belief it. Did I spank them all the time? Of course not. As you say, every situation is different and indeed so is every child. My oldest, she just needed that ass worked over every so often. Thats how she was. My middle, he's pretty quite and I could probably count the times I've spanked him on one hand. My youngest must have no feelings in her backside. But time out drives her up a wall. She cant stand it.
Oldest got spanked, middle got talked to (Which worked very welll, through all ages) and youngest gets time out alot.

And many people say we have pretty well behaved kids. They arent the best in the world, but their good enough we can take them out wherever we may want to go.



Now, the whole point it, we parented. We didnt just fvck and "Oops gee, kids" then let them run the yard and sit in front of the tv playing games all day. We parented. They have a set time to play games, aand only then once their homework is done. They can usuallly play outside whenever they want, but have bounds which they cant go beyond without asking and have to be back inside by a set time. We parent, we dont just fvck.

Sounds like you have it down to a fine art and science.

I wont even begin to pretend to be the best parent, in fact for my first child I feel I didnt do so well. But none the less, I've tried to be invovled and do the best I can.

And hell, after 3 kids you get a good feel for it. 😉

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PClark99

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

why should any of the other 120+ people on the plane have to listen to a screaming 3 yr old? if you can't get them under control then get off the plane.

what if they start screaming at 15,000 ft?

thats a diffrent situation now ain't it?

they were on the ground. the child refusing to get into a seat. yeah i have NO problem with them kicking them off the plane.

Originally posted by: Crucial
It's pretty obvious none of you have any 3 year olds. It's not as simple as "controling" them.

nope i have a 4 yr old. you are right. you can't controle them. hell they really are not in control of themselves and when they go into "tantrum" mode all hell breaks loose!

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

No one's disputing the difficulty of coping with a child of that age. OTOH, quite a few of us have experienced flights where a child or children were loud and obnoxious the entire way. As long as the kid is in the seat and buckled down, the airline's not going to do jack. Why couldn't they just buckle the kid in and let her have her fit in flight?

Good question ... thats exactly what I would have done when either of my daughters was 3!

 

[PClark99]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

No one's disputing the difficulty of coping with a child of that age. OTOH, quite a few of us have experienced flights where a child or children were loud and obnoxious the entire way. As long as the kid is in the seat and buckled down, the airline's not going to do jack. Why couldn't they just buckle the kid in and let her have her fit in flight?

I don't disagree with what you are saying.

We were not there so how can anyone judge.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

So, what should have they have done?

Allow the kid to kick and scream and continue her tantrum?

Throw out all the rules and regs on flight safety and allow the kid to NOT be seated and strapped in? (If that is the case and something goes wrong, should the parents be allowed to sue)

Make the plane just sit and wait until the 35 pound, 3year old... who has total control over the plane-..., decides that she is ready to sit and behave?

The parents needed to either take immediate control of their kid, or immediately get off the plane. They should not have been ass kissed, they should not have been refunded.

If they had any class whatsoever, they would have been ashamed that their parenting skills were so lacking, they needed to be asked to get off the plane. They were owed nothing. They owed the airline and every other passenger on board and apology.

i agree with almost everything except saying the parents lacked parenting skills.


When a child is in "tantrum" mode it is not easy to get them under control. NOT in the few minutes they were given and not in a situation where everyone is yelling at them to get in a seat.

 

[JC86]

my brothers and i used to get spanked all the time for unruly behavior . . . nowadays, you spank a kid and social services is knocking on your door . . . I feel for the family, but at the same time, AirTran didn't do anything wrong.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: PClark99
Just wondering do any of you experts have children or ever flown with a child under the age of 3?

Up until around age 4 kids are pretty prone to meltdowns due to any number of causes. Though it is possible to somewhat minimize the duration if you are patient and understanding.

We did a trip to FLA and back last year with my then 16 month old son. It was about 2 and a half hours from hell each way.

That being said if it was my son delaying the flight from taking off, even for 5 minutes I would talk to the attendant and offer to disembark and grab a later flight if necessary.

No one's disputing the difficulty of coping with a child of that age. OTOH, quite a few of us have experienced flights where a child or children were loud and obnoxious the entire way. As long as the kid is in the seat and buckled down, the airline's not going to do jack. Why couldn't they just buckle the kid in and let her have her fit in flight?

This is what I don't get. Both parents should have been able to get the kid strapped in the seat in 15 freakin minutes. One holds the arms, one holds the legs and puts the belt on. 😕

That said, I'm sure everyone was thrilled to see them go.

 

[animalia]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

So, what should have they have done?

Allow the kid to kick and scream and continue her tantrum?

Throw out all the rules and regs on flight safety and allow the kid to NOT be seated and strapped in? (If that is the case and something goes wrong, should the parents be allowed to sue)

Make the plane just sit and wait until the 35 pound, 3year old... who has total control over the plane-..., decides that she is ready to sit and behave?

The parents needed to either take immediate control of their kid, or immediately get off the plane. They should not have been ass kissed, they should not have been refunded.

If they had any class whatsoever, they would have been ashamed that their parenting skills were so lacking, they needed to be asked to get off the plane. They were owed nothing. They owed the airline and every other passenger on board and apology.

well, sorry you all are so impatient. I have been in this situation before and found no problem with waiting for fussy children to calm down, as they always calmed down or tired themselves out. "oh no loud noises. loud noises, we don't like loud noises" even though the pilot can't even hear it.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Unless you have kids you cannot comment, hence why I am not giving my opinion. It IS totally different.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: animalia
they shouldnt have kicked them off. oh noes...theres loud noises and a 35 pound human being isn't sitting where they are supposed to. let's make it harder for ourselves and kick them off and then refund their money for no reason, making everything more difficult.

So, what should have they have done?

Allow the kid to kick and scream and continue her tantrum?

Throw out all the rules and regs on flight safety and allow the kid to NOT be seated and strapped in? (If that is the case and something goes wrong, should the parents be allowed to sue)

Make the plane just sit and wait until the 35 pound, 3year old... who has total control over the plane-..., decides that she is ready to sit and behave?

The parents needed to either take immediate control of their kid, or immediately get off the plane. They should not have been ass kissed, they should not have been refunded.

If they had any class whatsoever, they would have been ashamed that their parenting skills were so lacking, they needed to be asked to get off the plane. They were owed nothing. They owed the airline and every other passenger on board and apology.

i agree with almost everything except saying the parents lacked parenting skills.


When a child is in "tantrum" mode it is not easy to get them under control. NOT in the few minutes they were given and not in a situation where everyone is yelling at them to get in a seat.

It is bad parenting when ppl think the whole world is gonna stop while their kids goes off on a tantrum. It is bad parenting when when ppl think it is ok for them to go on as normal while their kid misbehaves. It was bad parenting in this case when the plane was delayed for 15 minutes (and they still could not control their kid) and they had the nerve to get mad at the airline.

Kids dont come with on/off switches. I am a parent and have been around kids all my life. But there are levels of responsibilities that come with parenting. If you cannot get control of your kid, then get them out of the spotlight and do not let them be cause of trouble disruption for everyone else.

Part of parenting is recognizing when your little darlings' behavour is not right and getting them away from everyone else as soon as possible.

🙂

 

[paulney]

We started flying with our daughter since she was 5 months old. The first flight was to San Diego and back. On the return flight, the plane got delayed by an hour, the kid got agitated by all the commotion at the security checks, then the waiting area, etc, and by the time we loaded the plane and started taxing, she had enough of it, and started crying uncontrollably. Not because she was being a bad kid, but because she was really really tired. She refused to take the breast, and the only way to calm her was to rock the baby-seat in the air. So we asked permission from Southwest attendants to take her into the back - and although they violated the FAA rules, they let me do it, and I'm very grateful to them for doing it.

I stood in the back swinging the baby-seat back and forth all during takeoff, and the kid went to sleep in a matter of several minutes.

I have to say, the passengers were very understanding (and us - we were on the verge of asking the attendants to just drop us off and fly without us), and I'm thankful to them for that, too.

I don't know the story with this kid - what led to the tantrum, and I can't judge the parents too harsh: sometimes there's not much you can do.

 

[Rachael]

From reading the tiltle of the post, I was hoping you meant she was really kicked off the plane. Like, after it had taken off...

 

[Tiamat]

Airtran gave too much. They shouldnt have refunded anything. There are rules which must be followed. If the occupants of the plane cannot follow the rules, they cannot fly. Why should someone (or a company) be expected to refund/pay for people to Break their rules? Thats just messed up.

 

[theGlove]

why didnt the girl sit with one of the parents while the other parent sit in the solo seat?