Gingrich PAC uses class warfare to attack Romney

[woolfe9999]

I heard about this on the radio this morning, then found it on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M&feature=player_embedded

For those who can't get youtube, here is the summary:

Romney is attacked for being a "greedy" "corporate raider." For taking over companies and liquidating/downsizing them, firing employees. Former employees are interviewed, saying Romney isn't on the side of the little guy or the small business.

What strikes me as remarkable is not the content of the ad, but the fact that it comes from a GOP candidate. The ad is pure, unadulterated "class warfare," at least according to the definition of that phrase that is employed on the right.

Is "class warfare" OK when it comes from the right but not OK when it comes from the left?

- wolf

 

[HomerJS]

because the one thing we know about Foxbots and dittoheads, they are consistent

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is our system. It thrives on shit and rejoices in it. It's wrong, but we as a whole accept it, no expect it. Consequently we get the government we deserve.

 

[cubby1223]

Wow

This forum still finds new ways to amaze me with the sheer stupidity that shows up here

Learn what class-warfare really is

Then come back and make your commentary

Hint: one person does not make a class

 

[woolfe9999]

This is our system. It thrives on shit and rejoices in it. It's wrong, but we as a whole accept it, no expect it. Consequently we get the government we deserve.

I don't think addressing this in general terms provides an adequate explanation, because this sort of thing strikes me as unusual. It would be like if Hilary Clinton attacked Obama for being a socialist in the 2008 primary.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Damn Democrats and their attacks on Republicans :whiste:


I only say this because it seems that some want to blame all the attacks in the primaries on the other party when it is truly Republican eating Republican. The same happened when Obama and Hillary faced off only it was Dem on Dem.

 

[Ausm]

Wow

This forum still finds new ways to amaze me with the sheer stupidity that shows up here

Learn what class-warfare really is

Then come back and make your commentary

Hint: one person does not make a class

Trickle down Economics?

Do I win a prize!

 

[dank69]

This is our system. It thrives on shit and rejoices in it. It's wrong, but we as a whole accept it, no expect it. Consequently we get the government we deserve.

I'd rather see truthful negative campaigns than dishonest positive campaigns, if I had the choice.

 

[woolfe9999]

Wow

This forum still finds new ways to amaze me with the sheer stupidity that shows up here

Learn what class-warfare really is

Then come back and make your commentary

Hint: one person does not make a class

This ad could very well have come from a democrat. There is no way to tell from looking at the ad except that we know the context is the GOP primary and we can look up the PAC that produced the ad. The ad bashes Wall Street, corporate greed, and the excesses of capitalism. It says capitalism is great, except when taken to these kinds of extremes, when it becomes a nightmare for the little guy. Had this ad been produced by a dem, the righties here would be screaming "class warfare" from the rafters.

This ad doesn't accuse Romney of breaking any laws or rules. It criticizes him on pure principle of putting profits before people. That isn't a class warfare style argument?

And you're trying to argue, what, because the ad is focused on Romney in particular that it isn't using class warfare as a club? Bullshit. I sense the definition of "class warfare" is suddenly narrowing...

- wolf

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't think addressing this in general terms provides an adequate explanation, because this sort of thing strikes me as unusual. It would be like if Hilary Clinton attacked Obama for being a socialist in the 2008 primary.

Romney is by comparison a moderate and Newt wants to attempt to discourage that notion by making him seem heartless by comparison. Never mind that Congress tried to make raiding of pensions illegal and that Reagan personally vetoed legislation to make sure it continued. Newt is a political shark and sharks do not need principle to succeed, neither do they need to put things in proper context.

 

[woolfe9999]

A priceless quote from the ad:

"And that hurt so bad to leave my home, because of one man that's got 15 homes."

Nope, no class warfare to see here.

- wolf

 

[woolfe9999]

Romney is by comparison a moderate and Newt wants to attempt to discourage that notion by making him seem heartless by comparison. Never mind that Congress tried to make raiding of pensions illegal and that Reagan personally vetoed legislation to make sure it continued. Newt is a political shark and sharks do not need principle to succeed, neither do they need to put things in proper context.

Yeah, but isn't the degree of accuracy/truthfulness of the ad the least interesting issue here? Political attack ads are almost always half-truths at best. What's truly interesting is that Gingrich is employing an argument that you'd ordinarily expect from the left. If Romney wins this primary, Obama could use this very ad in the general election and no one would think it out of character.

 

[piasabird]

We are all jealous of your wealth, so we will attack you and demand communism to make everyone equal, because no one will vote for us???

 

[soundforbjt]

Well , Newt is probably running this ad because he doesn't feel he's rich.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, but isn't the degree of accuracy/truthfulness of the ad the least interesting issue here? Political attack ads are almost always half-truths at best. What's truly interesting is that Gingrich is employing an argument that you'd ordinarily expect from the left. If Romney wins this primary, Obama could use this very ad in the general election and no one would think it out of character.

It is interesting because it clearly is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My opinion is that this is "shotgunning" which I'll define as attacking every and any quality that Romney may have that voters might go for. I think it's a stupid attempt to demonize Romney any way possible. Tomorrow it will be his socks. I suspect that it's one of the many "pellets" in the fired charge in an attempt to bring Romney down and not a main emphasis in itself. Fling enough crap and hope something stick no matter how ridiculous. My question is whether this is an indication of how desperate Newt is. I don't know that one.

 

[woolfe9999]

Well , Newt is probably running this ad because he doesn't feel he's rich.

Yeah, Newt Gingrich, champion of the little guy. Class warrior extraordinaire. Pinko. Things just get curiouser and curiouser every day in this primary.

 

[dank69]

It is interesting because it clearly is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My opinion is that this is "shotgunning" which I'll define as attacking every and any quality that Romney may have that voters might go for. I think it's a stupid attempt to demonize Romney any way possible. Tomorrow it will be his socks. I suspect that it's one of the many "pellets" in the fired charge in an attempt to bring Romney down and not a main emphasis in itself. Fling enough crap and hope something stick no matter how ridiculous. My question is whether this is an indication of how desperate Newt is. I don't know that one.

Of course he is desperate. He has vowed to take Romney down. I think he is just butthurt that Romney ran a negative campaign against him in Iowa.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yeah, Newt Gingrich, champion of the little guy. Class warrior extraordinaire. Pinko. Things just get curiouser and curiouser every day in this primary.

Didn't Newt just the other day say he wasn't or didn't think he was rich?

 

[woolfe9999]

It is interesting because it clearly is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My opinion is that this is "shotgunning" which I'll define as attacking every and any quality that Romney may have that voters might go for. I think it's a stupid attempt to demonize Romney any way possible. Tomorrow it will be his socks. I suspect that it's one of the many "pellets" in the fired charge in an attempt to bring Romney down and not a main emphasis in itself. Fling enough crap and hope something stick no matter how ridiculous. My question is whether this is an indication of how desperate Newt is. I don't know that one.

Yes, without a doubt it's hypocritical. This is the same guy who said that OWS protesters need a bath, yet this ad is right up OWS' alley. These protesters would cheer. It's full of class envy and attacks on greedy capitalists.

Aren't we told that an owner of a business is obligated to maximize the return to the shareholders, that laying people off is unfortunate but necessary, that this is how the free market works?

Incredible.

 

[theeedude]

It's not a Gingrich PAC, PACs aren't allowed to coordinate with candidates
Sounds like the middle class is fighting back, hard.

 

[etrigan420]

Wouldn't it be sweet if stuff like this were the exception rather than the rule?

Nothing that Newt does surprises me. I think that he would probably eat a baby if it gained him a vote.

 

[woolfe9999]

It's not a Gingrich PAC, PACs aren't allowed to coordinate with candidates
Sounds like the middle class is fighting back, hard.

Yeah, that's what Romney said when Gingrich whined about the Romney PAC's attack ads against him, right?

 

[soundforbjt]

All you have to do is pay Newt and he'll do whatever you want. Ideals, pricinples, he has none, except the almighty buck, a true modern day republican.

 

[woolfe9999]

Yes, Gingirch is an unprincipled ass, but how does this play to a conservative voting bloc? Shouldn't this backfire on Gingrich, even boost Romney's credibility? If conservatives believe what they claim to believe, it very well should. Or are conservatives receptive to this sort of message, so long as it comes from a GOP candidate?

- wolf

 

[theeedude]

The 'greed is good' crowd should have no problem with this movie, and should see it as an endorsement of Romney. If you support what Romney has done in the private sector, you should have no problem with this movie showing the fruits of his work.