Gingrich PAC uses class warfare to attack Romney

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nageov3t

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this isn't Newt trying to win the GOP primaries, this is just Newt trying to damage Romney, party loyalty be damned.

at the same time, this could work out like all of Obama's Reverend Wright stuff, where it's such an old story that it's stale and forgotten by the time of the general election.
 

Aikouka

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Didn't Stewart touch on this exact topic during last night's Daily Show? I recall a few clips of Gingrich (and all of the other GOP candidates) talking about how class warfare is bad, and then they had clips of Gingrich talking bad about how essentially Romney "disregards the little guy" in his quest to make money.

I'd have to watch it again to get a better feel for exactly what was said though.
 

micrometers

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I love it, lol. And yes, Romney is my favorite on the GOP side, but this is a fair attack and Romney knows it. Let's see how he gets past it.
 

micrometers

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What is interesting is watching the highly ideological Gingrich respond to reality.

In theory Gingrich had no problem with super-PACs. There are interviews where he is pro-Citizens United.

And then he got hit with Super-PAC money and changed his tune.

Republican voters seem to be happy with the idea of cutting taxes and shit like that, because it sounds tough-minded and pro-growth.

but then they are confronted with the reality and that is Mitt Romney and they recoil.
 

woolfe9999

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Anyone notice the maligning of Romney's comment that "all money earned by corporations goes to the people." A pot shot at trickle down economics? Really Newt?
 

senseamp

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Anyone notice the maligning of Romney's comment that "all money earned by corporations goes to the people." A pot shot at trickle down economics? Really Newt?

Corporations are people as far as the trickle down crowd is concerned.
 

Fern

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I heard about this on the radio this morning, then found it on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M&feature=player_embedded

For those who can't get youtube, here is the summary:

Romney is attacked for being a "greedy" "corporate raider." For taking over companies and liquidating/downsizing them, firing employees. Former employees are interviewed, saying Romney isn't on the side of the little guy or the small business.

What strikes me as remarkable is not the content of the ad, but the fact that it comes from a GOP candidate. The ad is pure, unadulterated "class warfare," at least according to the definition of that phrase that is employed on the right.

Is "class warfare" OK when it comes from the right but not OK when it comes from the left?

- wolf

[Note: I have no audio so can't see for myself.]

I suppose you could say it's class warfare. I do think it fair to point out that in typical, or straight up unadulterated, class warfare you're pitting one 'class' against another 'class'. E.g., 99% v 1%.

Romney isn't a class per se. But to the extent this tries to portray Romney as a member of the despised uber rich banker- type, yeah it's playing on stereotypes developed and employed in typical class warfare.

But I think it also has another element particularly important in this cycle: Romney doesn't create jobs, he destroys them. While I would agree that at Bain Capital his priority wouldn't have been the "little guy", a euphemism for workers, to say he destroyed jobs is absurd. The companies acquired by Bain Capital would by necessity be those headed towards bankruptcy. Accordingly, in the absence of Bain Cap, or they're success in turning around, all jobs would have been lost. So, Bain Cap helped save jobs, and by putting these failing firms back into profitability helped them grow to eventually increase jobs.

And yes, I absolutely agree this is an odd and counter-productive (from the Repub party POV) line of attack one should not expect of Repubs. Will it back fire on Newt? I think it will to some extent, but the question is what extent?

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Aside from this ideological or partisan type stuff, I think the another important bit to be gleaned form this is either/ both that 1) Newt is a Kamikaze azzhole and/or 2) that the field is getting desperate and they're looking at their 'thermopylae'. Many analysts are saying if Romney wins in NH the race is all but over, particularly given the runners-up are bunched together. I.e., Romney, who is already leading in SC, will roll into that primary with the anti-Romney split among several candidates making a victory for him all but assured. It's desperation time.

I sometimes wonder if Newt is aiming for VP. Maybe he's going 'nuclear' to help someone else (Santorum) in hopes of the VP slot?

Edit: Forgot to mention another bit which further adds to irony of all this - Newt is able to do this because he just got $5 million for his PAC from a casino Billionaire.

Fern
 
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soundforbjt

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[Note: I have no audio so can't see for myself.]

I sometimes wonder if Newt is aiming for VP. Maybe he's going 'nuclear' to help someone else (Santorum) in hopes of the VP slot?

Fern

Could be. He'd be Darth Cheney Jr as VP. He'd be the perfect attack dog before the election and if they won, he'd be perfect to "school" people on why deficits don't matter when Santorum invades Iran.

Edit: Maybe Newton's helping John Perry, Goes perfect with the Cheney Jr, we also get Bush Jr as well !

What's up with alot of the gop candidates note using their real first names?
 
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woolfe9999

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[Note: I have no audio so can't see for myself.]

I suppose you could say it's class warfare. I do think it fair to point out that in typical, or straight up unadulterated, class warfare you're pitting one 'class' against another 'class'. E.g., 99% v 1%.

Romney isn't a class per se. But to the extent this tries to portray Romney as a member of the despised uber rich banker- type, yeah it's playing on stereotypes developed and employed in typical class warfare.

But I think it also has another element particularly important in this cycle: Romney doesn't create jobs, he destroys them. While I would agree that at Bain Capital his priority wouldn't have been the "little guy", a euphemism for workers, to say he destroyed jobs is absurd. The companies acquired by Bain Capital would by necessity be those headed towards bankruptcy. Accordingly, in the absence of Bain Cap, or they're success in turning around, all jobs would have been lost. So, Bain Cap helped save jobs, and by putting these failing firms back into profitability helped them grow to eventually increase jobs.

And yes, I absolutely agree this is an odd and counter-productive (from the Repub party POV) line of attack one should not expect of Repubs. Will it back fire on Newt? I think it will to some extent, but the question is what extent?

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Aside from this ideological or partisan type stuff, I think the another important bit to be gleaned form this is either/ both that 1) Newt is a Kamikaze azzhole and/or 2) that the field is getting desperate and they're looking at their 'thermopylae'. Many analysts are saying if Romney wins in NH the race is all but over, particularly given the runners-up are bunched together. I.e., Romney, who is already leading in SC, will roll into that primary with the anti-Romney split among several candidates making a victory for him all but assured. It's desperation time.

I sometimes wonder if Newt is aiming for VP. Maybe he's going 'nuclear' to help someone else (Santorum) in hopes of the VP slot?

Edit: Forgot to mention another bit which further adds to irony of all this - Newt is able to do this because he just got $5 million for his PAC from a casino Billionaire.

Fern

If you get around to it, listen to the audio when available. It leads in by talking about "greedy wall street bankers" profiting billions, and how Mitt Romney is one of them. So yes, it places Romney's behavior in that context: he is part of a class of greedy capitalists. Essentially the intro is drawing a distinction between "good" capitalists and "bad" capitalists. The ad uses the words "greed" and "greedy" a minimum of 5 times.

Second point: there is clear class envy in the interviews. Read the snippet I quoted on page one. And that is followed up with a news clip talking about how Romney is "tearing down his 3000 square foot home to build a 10000 square foot home."

Third: the ad is not criticizing him for breaking rules or laws, but for laying off people to maximize profits. The notion that it is unethical to do this is not exactly a conservative argument, is it? Sounds a hell of a lot like class warfare to me.

- wolf
 

Craig234

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This is what you get when the mafia runs for office, with the different crime families trying to run on anti-corruption, anti-violence, anti-crime plaforms to get votes.

What's sad is when only the mafia candidates have a chance to win because only they can advertise much etc. So do you prefer this crime family or that one?

They all have the same 'shift wealth to the rich more' agenda, so it doesn't matter to the rich which one wins. Enjoy picking!
 

Thump553

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This "class-warfare" crap (yet another Fox News invention, along with the War on Christmas (TM)) is getting pretty old. Do diehard GOPers really feel that they must protect corporate raiders and Wall Street hooligans at the risk of being called anti-capitalist?

I think this is one of the rare times when Newt got it exactly right-being in favor of small business and entrepeneurs and capitalism doesn't mean you also support the bloodsuckers and bankruptcy/asset stripping mills.
 

woolfe9999

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This "class-warfare" crap (yet another Fox News invention, along with the War on Christmas (TM)) is getting pretty old. Do diehard GOPers really feel that they must protect corporate raiders and Wall Street hooligans at the risk of being called anti-capitalist?

I think this is one of the rare times when Newt got it exactly right-being in favor of small business and entrepeneurs and capitalism doesn't mean you also support the bloodsuckers and bankruptcy/asset stripping mills.

He may well have "gotten it right" if he wasn't such a damn hypocrite. Every viewpoint underlying this production is something that he has maligned at one time or another.
 

Fern

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In thinking about this last night I'm beginning to think Newt's attack (from what little I've actually seen of it so far anyway) sounds more like an attack on capitalism than class warfare. That's equally as odd.

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Now Perry I've actually seen. He seems to be trying to portray Romney as some kind of malicious predatory capitalist. To date, I haven't been able to find any evidence of that. It certainly does exist, but due to our court system is more difficult to do that here than in some foreign countries.

Fern
 

woolfe9999

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Stupendous display of class warfare. It's pure gold.

"We don't have a middle class any more. Just rich and poor."

"The rich just keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer."

"He's a money man, and he's going to look out for the money people. He won't look out for us little peons."

And so much more.

- wolf
 
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Fern

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Stupendous display of class warfare. It's pure gold.

"We don't have a middle class any more. Just rich and poor."

"The rich just keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer."

"He's a money man, and he's going to look out for the money people. He won't look out for us little peons."

And so much more.

- wolf

If that's from Gingrich I'd have to agree that class warfare.

Hopefully, this will on the news so I can see for myself what he's been saying. Sounds like he's in crash-n-burn mode. He must be pissing off a bunch of Repubs.

Fern
 
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woolfe9999

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If that's from Gingrich I'd have to agree that class warfare.

Hopefully, this will on the news so I can see for myself what he's been saying. Sounds like he's in crash-n-burn mode. He must be pissing of a bunch of Repubs.

Fern

I didn't even scratch the surface with those quotes. There's even a clip in there with him giving a speech and being shouted down by people saying "Wall Street greed!" over and over again. Probably OWS people.

This is a pro-Gingrich PAC. It's every bit as connected to Gingrich as Romney's PAC is to him. Gingrich said as much when the Romney PAC trashed him in Iowa. And he warned that he would take the gloves off and start attacking Romney.

- wolf
 

senseamp

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Republicans dismiss it as "class warfare" at their peril. This is going to resonate, not because Romney made himself rich, but because he destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of people to get there. This plays to the fundamental anxiety that the middle class, what's still left of it, has, and that is that someone like Romney will come in and destroy their way of life to make a quick buck. Gingrich may be a scumbag, but he's giving Republicans a very clear preview of what's coming this fall if Romney is the nominee.
 

Bitek

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This ad could very well have come from a democrat. ..

- wolf

No it couldn't have. Dems never but anything together this tough or clever. The DNC should watch this an take notes.

I'm sure Gingrich would gladly take a job as an "advisor and historian" to show them how its done. The man does have skillz.