Mine came with Starforce, thats why I uninstalled and deleted the demo. Got enough virus's to worry about without putting them on my system by choice.
Hmm thank god Ubi saw the light, I used to spend a ton of time in their arguging against Starforce on several of their games including Heros of Might and Magic 5, Splinter Cell Series, and more.
Woo Hoo Die Starforce Die. Still though, What the heck is it doing on some demos and not others? This bites.
Edit: Hmm maybe it did not install Starforce (Found another demo I had that could be the culprit) but it did use it once the demo launched as it made me close my cd burning program before I could launch the demo. So if its not supposed to be used, why in the heck would it call it?
i agree too. the demo only has medium textures, but even then they look like ass and the game still isnt what id call nippy at 1280x1024 with 7800GT's in SLI.
most people dont even own something like a 7800gt so i dunno how they are going to get along. things like this make the 360 and the PS3 look ever more tempting and hell if they release a keyboard and mouse for either of them i think ill be sold. turn this rig into a media center and just play console games.
if they done it right it should only show resolutions your monitor is capable of. i can do 1280x1024 max, i can pick 640x480 up to 1280x1024.
sadly, there will be no AA for this game
Due to the type of 'Deferred Lighting' method used by the developers, regardless of your Post Effects setting, Antialiasing is not possible in the game - even if you try to force it in your graphics card control panel. This is an unfortunate and contentious aspect of the game, since the gameplay relies a great deal on identifying small movements in your surroundings; something which the lack of antialiasing makes much harder due to jagged edges constantly moving and shimmering. However it is not resolveable as far as I know, so it's unlikely to ever be "fixed" by patching. Turn off any forced Antialiasing in your graphics card control panel, as it will not work and can only cause slowdowns and problems with GRAW.
from tweaktown's GRAW Tweak Guide
Due to the type of 'Deferred Lighting' method used by the developers, regardless of your Post Effects setting, Antialiasing is not possible in the game - even if you try to force it in your graphics card control panel. This is an unfortunate and contentious aspect of the game, since the gameplay relies a great deal on identifying small movements in your surroundings; something which the lack of antialiasing makes much harder due to jagged edges constantly moving and shimmering. However it is not resolveable as far as I know, so it's unlikely to ever be "fixed" by patching. Turn off any forced Antialiasing in your graphics card control panel, as it will not work and can only cause slowdowns and problems with GRAW.
from tweaktown's GRAW Tweak Guide
I was very impressed with the GR:AW demo. I don't care about AA and the graphical aspects of the game as nearly as much as I care about the type of gameplay and the tactics you have to deploy during a mission. That said, I LOVED the gameplay/tactics. It's an absolute pleasure to issue orders to your teammates and watch them carry them out, positioning them on the battlefield to take over a certain stronghold. Much fun.
My newly built PC, designed for the sole purpose of running GR:AW on highest settings, does exactly that:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
ATI Radeon X1800XT 512 MG GDDR3
EPoX NP9+Ultra Mobo
Forton BlueStorm 500 W PSU
Segate Barracude 7200.9 160 GB SATA II
Runs it smooth as silk!
Edit: Picking up my full retail version from EB games today!
My newly built PC, designed for the sole purpose of running GR:AW on highest settings, does exactly that:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
ATI Radeon X1800XT 512 MG GDDR3
EPoX NP9+Ultra Mobo
Forton BlueStorm 500 W PSU
Segate Barracude 7200.9 160 GB SATA II
Runs it smooth as silk!
Edit: Picking up my full retail version from EB games today!
Dkcode
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How the hell can you say the game runs "Smooth as silk"? You call 30fps smooth? What is wrong with you? I have a similar set up to yourself with the same video card and i get around 25 - 30 fps, and its far from great. Only @ 1024 x 768 i get a whopping 55fps. No thanks, and i have a friend with a X1900XT who gets similar results.
Im sick of reading posts by people claiming this game runs "smooth", tbh its really getting on my tits. It was the same with oblivion.
60fps is smooth, 30 is the minimum.
At least in future post your frame rates and not just your system specs!
Im sick of reading posts by people claiming this game runs "smooth", tbh its really getting on my tits. It was the same with oblivion.
60fps is smooth, 30 is the minimum.
At least in future post your frame rates and not just your system specs!
I played the demo this morning for about 10 minutes. I didn't notice any framerate loss at max settings, 1680x1050. Also - what is the command to display FPS? I'd like to mess with it a bit more when I get home! From what I played it was awesome 
And damn. Chill out, Dkcode -- no reason to get all angry.
And damn. Chill out, Dkcode -- no reason to get all angry.
I had mine at 1680x1050 at full everything and ive got a 7800GTX and only a 3500+ and it ran at about 20 to 25fps...
And when i lower the res to 1280x1024 it runs fine at about 35 to 40.
Dkcode, relax man. Why get "frustrated" with reading "bullshit?" As I said in my post I am more concerned with gameplay then I am with technical/graphical/frames per second aspects. I really don't care how many FPS I am getting - I don't have the energy or desire to know. I'd rather spend my time enjoying my new PC and new game.
And, yes, the game does run "smooth as silk" on my PC. My eyes do not detect ANY lag or ANY stuttering at ANY time in the game. So yes, I don't care what FPS I have, my eyes detect perfectly smooth gameplay - that's what matters to me.
If you care that much to allow my perceptions of the game to frustrate you, find something better to do with your time.
PS - Picked up my retail version today!
And, yes, the game does run "smooth as silk" on my PC. My eyes do not detect ANY lag or ANY stuttering at ANY time in the game. So yes, I don't care what FPS I have, my eyes detect perfectly smooth gameplay - that's what matters to me.
If you care that much to allow my perceptions of the game to frustrate you, find something better to do with your time.
PS - Picked up my retail version today!
It's always funny to read when people say "smooth and fine at 30-40 fps" - and at trhe same time they claim all they care about is gameplay...
it'd be more than interesting to see these people gaming: how TF can be FPS gameplay (including tactical ones) called "fine" under 50-60 fps? (There are exceptions like handicapped people and folks with serious eye problems, of course.
)PS: Chill down Dk, no need to be pissed.
moonboy403
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i wouldn't call anything smooth unless it's above at least 45fps
even in oblivion...i don't know why people would call 30 fps "smooth" in that game either
it's just so choppy
even in oblivion...i don't know why people would call 30 fps "smooth" in that game either
it's just so choppy
It's 100% smooth on my Opty 144 @ 2.4, 2GB, X1900XT setup..... but then again, I can live with 20 FPS even in a FPS and I find 30 FPS good enough, so I guess dont rely on what I judge "smooth"......
Dkcode
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I mean no one any offense, & if i offended you honda, i applogise. Anyway im annoyed at pc developers of late. Optimistion seems to be the last thing on their minds other than getting the game to the most people and cashing in. While this is good for buisness its serves no benifit to us gamers. I spend over £2000 on a machine that cant play the latest games 8 months after purchases at the resolution (1600 x 1200) at the settings i want & besides this the worst thing with GRAW is it looks terrible to boot. PC gaming has always been expensive, but these days especially the comercial side of gaming its at its worse in this sector. Indie gaming FTW.
Anyway as for the outburst of rage,
I know its a matter of perception, but please in future people post your frame rates instead of what you percive as "smooth" and "jerky". This way we can make up our own minds and save us the hassle of buying something we wont enjoy.
Edit: Hondaf17, can you please tell me if the game seems more optimised than the demo in terms of performence? Also if you can would you be able to tell me your avarage frame rates?
Anyway as for the outburst of rage,
I know its a matter of perception, but please in future people post your frame rates instead of what you percive as "smooth" and "jerky". This way we can make up our own minds and save us the hassle of buying something we wont enjoy.
Edit: Hondaf17, can you please tell me if the game seems more optimised than the demo in terms of performence? Also if you can would you be able to tell me your avarage frame rates?
im another person that needs 45+ frames to be smooth but this game isnt that fast paced so my 30-35-40 frames if good for me. and im only x850 xt
Playing the GRAW full version... and well even tho it says i cant i used the XML config files and pretty much put all the textures up to high... is there an Ultra high???
But anyway, with my 3500+ and 7800GTX it runs it totally fine with no stuttering and hic cups of any kind on 1280x1024.
And well the intro to the game is pretty outstanding. SPOILER!!! You get to jump out of plane and parachute down to the city, meaning you can in fact see the whole damn city and then land on a freeway (probably scripted) Now that is pretty damn impressive.
Graphics are, well pretty damn good i would say with the view distances. And its damn fun to play. I dont care if that graphics dont look AS cool as Far Cry, because well it isnt supposed to be looking so cool, but more gritty and dull. Anyway, dont give a rats arse about the graphics (well i do a bit!) The gameplay is mighty good.
But anyway, with my 3500+ and 7800GTX it runs it totally fine with no stuttering and hic cups of any kind on 1280x1024.
And well the intro to the game is pretty outstanding. SPOILER!!! You get to jump out of plane and parachute down to the city, meaning you can in fact see the whole damn city and then land on a freeway (probably scripted) Now that is pretty damn impressive.
Graphics are, well pretty damn good i would say with the view distances. And its damn fun to play. I dont care if that graphics dont look AS cool as Far Cry, because well it isnt supposed to be looking so cool, but more gritty and dull. Anyway, dont give a rats arse about the graphics (well i do a bit!) The gameplay is mighty good.
1440X900 16XHQAF ALL SETTINGS MAX
incl. 1 firefight.. blowing up gas staation drops the fps a little heh
Min Max Avg
23 41 36.4
incl. 1 firefight.. blowing up gas staation drops the fps a little heh
Min Max Avg
23 41 36.4
evolucion8
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I played the demo with 1024x768 and everything on high except textures on medium (I was able only to select medium or high, may be is a demo limitation) and 16x Aniso and it runs between 38 a 56fps, but the anti aliasing doesn't work and the jaggies on the game looks like poo and the amount of polygons and texture quality are unimpressive.
No worries.
Yes, the game does seem more optimized than the demo. I would surmise that it's a new build or whatnot, but I cannot confirm that. Again, I'd say it seems more optimized to me (larger maps, more tangos, got to call in airstrikes and blow stuff up - still smooth) but I don't have FPS comparisions or any data to confirm that.
I can direct you to this Link. It's a technical analysis of the demo and lists FPS for current rigs/video cards.
I saw you talking about resolution - I run mine at 1024 x 768 - I ran it higher and didn't notice a difference in performance or graphics, so I run it at 1024 x 768 b/c it's what I'm used to.
I'm willing to post my FPS if someone can give me a quick tutuorial on how the hell to record them.
PS - THE GAME IS FLIPPING TOUGH!!!!!
i am just pissed at the lack of AA. even at 1280x1028 and a 15 inch monitor i still see so many jaggies did i mention i hate jaggies. why is there no AA. (i know why....................but WHY) i could have lived wth anything else (low res low tectures no shawdows... don't care) but i juat hate the jaggies.
Dkcode
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Sure, if you use ATI Tray tools instead of the catalyst control centre there is a option > Right click on the Tray tools icon> Tools & Options> OnScreen Display... Make sure the OnScreen display is enabled and choose what corner of the screen you would like it to be.
If you dont use Tray tools download and install fraps (www.fraps.com). Ive not used it myself but from the screens it looks simple enough, just keep it running in the background while you play with the fps counter enabled.
If you can do this it would be appriciated. Also do you use a CRT monitor? or a LCD? Maybe i should have stuck with CRT becuase it looks like i will be doing alot of resolution switching.
Wow, just got the Demo. That is sooooooooooooooooooooo stupid how you can't utilize AA. A feature that has been around for how many games now?
I hope a lot of people don't buy this peice of trash marketing from Ubisoft.
I hope a lot of people don't buy this peice of trash marketing from Ubisoft.
AT review of physx is up using only GRAW.
I couldnt be less happy with the results, or the conclusions they drew from a 360 port with hardware physics basically "tacked on".
I couldnt be less happy with the results, or the conclusions they drew from a 360 port with hardware physics basically "tacked on".
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