Ghost in the Shell (2017) Movie

[Anubis]

meh.. the trailers gave away the plot.
the govt turned on her, which is wayyy diff from the manga./animated movied

yea its an orig story

101% chance it will suck

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm really looking forward to this. I loved the anime and I'm impressed by how well the trailers seem to reflect the original story.

Huh. Apart from the character line-up, prosthetic bodies, and a couple of refences, the similarity ended there from what I've seen.

 

[JEDI]

Huh. Apart from the character line-up, prosthetic bodies, and a couple of refences, the similarity ended there from what I've seen.

yup, was hoping for the Laughing Man.
Maybe in the sequel?

 

[Ancalagon44]

meh.. the trailers gave away the plot.
the govt turned on her, which is wayyy diff from the manga./animated movied

I'm going to watch this movie anyway, but yeah, that is my feeling.

They changed perhaps the most important thing about the story - Kusanagi's role in it. In the originals, Kusanagi was the main character but the plot was never about her (barring one or two episodes which revealed her backstory). The plot was about the Laughing Man, or the Dejima Refugee Crisis. Kusanagi played her role in defusing the various crises and bringing the parties responsible to justice.

In this movie, it looks like it is all about her, which I suppose is in keeping with Western notions of identity and self determination. We talk a lot about "doing your own thing", "being your own boss" etc, and that is what this movie will be about. Kusanagi will be shown that she cannot trust the authority figures who created her and control her.

So, in other words, they Westernized a lot more than just the actress used for the main character.

A sidenote - if this movie ends up portraying Aramaki as the villain who betrays the Major, I will be pissed. Aramaki is one of my favourite characters.

 

[Eug]

First reviews are out. I guess the embargo has been lifted.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_in_the_shell_2017/reviews/

To my surprise, they so far are moderately positive. Still, after seeing that extended trailer, I'm probably not going to see this in the theatres. I don't get to the theatre often these days with two young kids around, and for a recent movie, I'd rather go see Logan, or perhaps John Wick: Chapter 2 since the Blu-ray isn't coming out until June.

 

[sdifox]

lulz there is already a pron parody, girth in her shell :awe:

 

[kage69]

Totally forgot about this thread my bad

Yes. Name one that is known well enough to be the star of an American movie and that the 25-40 male population would recognize, let alone want to see a movie with. I'll wait.

Thing is I accept this movie isn't going to much more than a niche flick, and start off the debate without the need to involve someone famous. Plenty of actors have break outs in award winning films, ever see Amistad? Regardless, and even with the manga effect I mentioned, I just feel someone who looked like a Kusanagi. With Japan being probably the most ethnically homogeneous populations there is I don't feel this is an outrageous expectation.

I'm sure I'd feel different were I personally invested in the production of the said film though. Take advantage of 24-40 guys just wanting to see Scarlett prance about and make a relatively quick buck? Sure.

And, just to be that guy, everyone saying someone can't portray a fictional character in a work taking liberties with the source material because of their race as fuck. You sound very similar to the people saying a black girl can't play Harry Potter's friend or that Idris Elba can't be James Bond because they are black.

Well I prefer it when you're not that guy, because that guy's an asshole. I'm happy to say I don't know a single person who has ever endorsed either of those examples, nor have I myself. Happy?

 

[kage69]

'Ghost in the Shell' Trailer Exceeds Japanese Fans' Expectations

This was in doubt?

 

[smackababy]

Totally forgot about this thread my bad



Thing is I accept this movie isn't going to much more than a niche flick, and start off the debate without the need to involve someone famous. Plenty of actors have break outs in award winning films, ever see Amistad? Regardless, and even with the manga effect I mentioned, I just feel someone who looked like a Kusanagi. With Japan being probably the most ethnically homogeneous populations there is I don't feel this is an outrageous expectation.

I'm sure I'd feel different were I personally invested in the production of the said film though. Take advantage of 24-40 guys just wanting to see Scarlett prance about and make a relatively quick buck? Sure.




Well I prefer it when you're not that guy, because that guy's an asshole. I'm happy to say I don't know a single person who has ever endorsed either of those examples, nor have I myself. Happy?

The problem is "looking like Kusanagi" is pretty ambiguous. Not to mention, she was an android created and not someone with an ethnicity. And, if we are being extremely "stick to the source material", Major had very Caucasian features.


And, I will admit I made that statement a good while ago. I am far more jaded with idiotic SJWs running around bitching about movies. Especially, with what happened with the Great Wall. Every SJW who boycotted Great Wall hurt Asian actors and movies being brought into the west. You are actively taking away opportunities for huge Hong Kong actors and movies to prove their star power in the United States. Thanks.

 

[Aikouka]

The problem is "looking like Kusanagi" is pretty ambiguous. Not to mention, she was an android created and not someone with an ethnicity. And, if we are being extremely "stick to the source material", Major had very Caucasian features.

To be fair, most anime characters don't look Japanese. I'm not sure if any of them look much like anything. The only stand-out is probably blonde hair used for foreign characters.

 

[smackababy]

To be fair, most anime characters don't look Japanese. I'm not sure if any of them look much like anything. The only stand-out is probably blonde hair used for foreign characters.

But that is the point. People complain ScarJo doesn't look like the character are assigning an ethnicity to robot. Nobody was upset Chappie was voiced by a white character, despite being made in Africa.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

But that is the point. People complain ScarJo doesn't look like the character are assigning an ethnicity to robot. Nobody was upset Chappie was voiced by a white character, despite being made in Africa.

Ironically, assigning ethnicity to a character that in no way, shape, or form, looked Japanese. Neither did any of the other characters in fact. You could maybe give a pass for Saito, but aside from the fact that half of them are friggin cyborgs, the whole point is that it's taking place in the future where the world is much more multinational/melting pot, and Section 9 itself is a 'best of the best' organization, which doesn't really care about what your nationality (or humanity, for that matter) is.

I'm confident that 99% of the people complaining about 'whitewashing' in this situation, has never actually seen the anime.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Welp, Ars Technica gave a pretty (fairly) brutal review of the movie, and what should be no surprise to anyone, it's pretty much an average american action movie now. As per the usual, the audience is treated as drooling idiots (so all semblance of subtlety from the original is gone), the plot and characters are changed (some bizarrely, such as including a character from SAC), and we've been left with a serviceable, if disappointing and unmemorable action flick.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...m-might-be-the-worst-live-action-reboot-ever/

 

[Eug]

But that is the point. People complain ScarJo doesn't look like the character are assigning an ethnicity to robot. Nobody was upset Chappie was voiced by a white character, despite being made in Africa.

No, they were too busy being upset that Chappie just royally sucked as a movie. Or at least in my case, the first 45 minutes royally sucked. I didn't make it past that.

 

[kage69]

But that is the point. People complain ScarJo doesn't look like the character are assigning an ethnicity to robot. Nobody was upset Chappie was voiced by a white character, despite being made in Africa.

The fact there are white South Africans probably has something to do with this, no? Again, you seem to be interpreting comments based in culture as those based in race, in addition to chucking some context out the window. Which I find odd given your comments on the SJW.

FWIW, I do recall hearing a number of black folks complain about The Lion King when it came out. 'Simba, 'King of the Jungle' who sounds like a white boy from Venice Beach,' was the gist IIRC.

 

[kage69]

Especially, with what happened with the Great Wall. Every SJW who boycotted Great Wall hurt Asian actors and movies being brought into the west. You are actively taking away opportunities for huge Hong Kong actors and movies to prove their star power in the United States. Thanks.

This is probably the most anemic jab you could make out of this. I am disappoint. Really makes your comments about SJWs and a dearth of Asian acting talent even more bizarre.

As a person who doesn't care for the heavy hand of Beijing in movies, nor it's bullying of neighbors and aggressive expansionism, I'm not sure it's possible for me to care less about Chinese prospects in film making.

Whatever. I've officially invested too much time on a movie that's getting the reviews it has.

 

[Raizinman]

Just saw it last night. It's basically a female Robocop. On a scale of 1 to 5 with 5 being the best, I gave it a 1.5. It only got the extra 0.5 due to female nudity. Very poor movie. It won't last long in the theater.

 

[smackababy]

This is probably the most anemic jab you could make out of this. I am disappoint. Really makes your comments about SJWs and a dearth of Asian acting talent even more bizarre.

As a person who doesn't care for the heavy hand of Beijing in movies, nor it's bullying of neighbors and aggressive expansionism, I'm not sure it's possible for me to care less about Chinese prospects in film making.

Whatever. I've officially invested too much time on a movie that's getting the reviews it has.

Having issues with movies coming from China and their business practices is fine. Having issues with Hollywood either not casting Asian actors as leads in big movies or white washing AND then boycotting a movie that is going to help Asian actors become known in the west, possibly giving credence to the star power of someone other than the white stars in Hollywood because you have an ignorant, ill informed opinion of what the movie represents or is about is just fucking stupid. And, the same people bitching that Simba isn't "black enough" or that Iron first was whitewashing is just beyond fucking stupid.

 

[SKORPI0]

I'm not sure now if it's even worth watching in the theater. Maybe wait for the Blu-ray release/Redbox.
Lots of predictions that it would suck, and it did. Don't count on a sequel being made.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/movies/ghost-in-the-shell-review-scarlett-johansson.html?_r=0
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/ghost-in-the-shell-looks-great-but-rings-hollow/
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/ghost-in-the-shell-2017

 

[Eug]

First reviews are out. I guess the embargo has been lifted.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_in_the_shell_2017/reviews/

To my surprise, they so far are moderately positive. Still, after seeing that extended trailer, I'm probably not going to see this in the theatres. I don't get to the theatre often these days with two young kids around, and for a recent movie, I'd rather go see Logan, or perhaps John Wick: Chapter 2 since the Blu-ray isn't coming out until June.

Ah. More reviews are in and they mostly say it sucks, as I expected from that extended trailer.

Just saw it last night. It's basically a female Robocop. On a scale of 1 to 5 with 5 being the best, I gave it a 1.5. It only got the extra 0.5 due to female nudity. Very poor movie. It won't last long in the theater.

Robocop was awesome. Unless you're talking about the remake.

 

[Spydermag68]

I love the GitS universe and have all of the movies, TV show and the manga.

I think they did a good job bringing that universe to live action. They focused on the Major and her backstory. They gave heavy nod to GitS (1995), some to innocents and some to the TV anime. It was not a "Marvel" movie but it did deliver in creating a backdrop to build on in a second movie. 8/10.

 

[Eug]

Oh wow.

Ghost in the Shell debuted at an estimated $19 million domestic on opening weekend, which is dismal. It is way, way below even the most recent projections, which were already terrible. If you can believe it, it actually lost by a huge margin ($30 million) to The Boss Baby, which got $49 million despite also getting bad reviews (and which had a trailer that looked utterly stupid). (Boss Baby was expected to get about $30 million, and Ghost in the Shell was expected to get around the mid to high 20s.) Beauty and the Beast also beat it by a huge margin, meaning Ghost in the Shell debuted in distant third.

At this rate I would be shocked if Ghost in the Shell hits $100 million domestic. In fact, it'd be lucky to hit $75 million. It is quite possible it'd fizzle out as low as $55 million, which is half the production budget.

Luckily for them, it seems to be doing better overseas.

 

[Cappuccino]

shitter movie.

 

[mikeymikec]

I think GitS is yet another example of a franchise that should go into cold storage until someone with an inspired vision and some decent plot ideas comes along to revive it, because Western film tropes + chesticles + CSI Cyber really isn't going to cut it, except maybe amongst the teen fappy hormone crowd.

 

[HumblePie]

Oh look, a remake of Lucy!

That was my initial thoughts, and it has panned out to be true. Shitty action movie with gratuitous scenes of SJ in scintillating action poses. Get enough of that from the Avenger movies which actually are good action movies.