GF100 Fermi card at GTC a fake / mock-up

[Zstream]

Who the heck cares, just buy an AMD card and be happy.... I was thoroughly disappointed in the initial release of the R600, remember AMD made the 3/4/5xxx series from R600 architecture. Nvidia could be doing the same, in addition people will buy Nvidia regardless.

In two years, Nvidia could be sitting in a good position.

 

[lopri]

I'd think NV's stock holders, or those who are sympathetic with them would care? (not me, just for the record)

 

[Red Storm]

Just saw this on Anand's Twitter:

http://www.semiaccurate.com/20...akes-fermi-boards-gtc/

His response: "oh dear"

 

[HurleyBird]

Obvious fake card is obvious. Obvious troll "Nvidia pull out of games market!" is also obvious.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Red Storm
Just saw this on Anand's Twitter:

http://www.semiaccurate.com/20...akes-fermi-boards-gtc/

His response: "oh dear"

I guess Charlie didn't take to well to being referred to as AMD's competitive analysis team:

Here is a free tip to Nvidia PR, when you go after people who are right to try and undermine their credibility, at least be correct, or close to it. You were neither this time. Another tip, coach your messengers better, or at least have them read the article you are attacking. Poor showing guys. Did Intel hire away your best attack dogs along with your engineers?

Links in quote are linked in the original, note the link for "your messengers" goes straight to fudzilla...more rumor-site on rumor-site action!

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
I need to have reason to correct that person when they say "this is being run on GF100" when in fact it isn't? I can leave this topic alone from now on, but this is exactly the reason i started it - so you don't have guys like him saying,
"Well they showed GTX380 back in September and ran all those demos on it. It's now almost January 2010, and I still haven't seen a review on it, jeez what's wrong, I dont understand?"

Does that sound like something important for AT readers to know? Or should they just think they saw what we think it is. I was trying to provide some facts, so that everyone doesn't think a GF100 is already ray-tracing a Veyron.
I'll leave it alone though.

:disgust:

I apologize, i misunderstood then.

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: KakkoiiThe fact of the matter is, they have working silicon to run those demo's and then show the clips to the people. Doesn't matter if they had a working card there or not. They have working silicon, that's what matters most.

Butthurt fanboys in denial are also obvious. If the card was faked then the demos were almost definitely faked as well.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol nvidia melt down. Now I actually feel bad for them. They really are going to get beat up over the next couple of years.

ouch just saw this on the forums over there

"nvidia, the way you're meant to be played"

its hard for companies to recover from shit like this when your competitor is doing well.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
lol nvidia melt down. Now I actually feel bad for them. They really are going to get beat up over the next couple of years.

ouch just saw this on the forums over there

"nvidia, the way you're meant to be played"

its hard for companies to recover from shit like this when your competitor is doing well.

Hard to recover?
Tell that to ATI. Or NV.
The GPU market is swings and roundabouts. NV were on top, then ATI, then NV, then ATI etc.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird

Originally posted by: KakkoiiThe fact of the matter is, they have working silicon to run those demo's and then show the clips to the people. Doesn't matter if they had a working card there or not. They have working silicon, that's what matters most.

Butthurt fanboys in denial are also obvious. If the card was faked then the demos were almost definitely faked as well.

Quite a hypocritical statement there.

 

[alyarb]

fakepost need != troll. surely someone of hurleybird's trollish stature would be familiar with the concept.

fake or not, demo or not, nvidia has no choice but to make noise.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: alyarb
fakepost need != troll. surely someone of hurleybird's trollish stature would be familiar with the concept.

fake or not, demo or not, nvidia has no choice but to make noise.

wot?

 

[dflynchimp]

I don't see why people are making such a big deal about this. Big companies routinely do this at their conference/presentations, because it's not like the hardware that the presenter is holding is going to be installed into a system and demonstrated on the spot. This isn't the home cooking channel folks. It's the IT industry, so get over it.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Originally posted by: Red Storm
Just saw this on Anand's Twitter:

http://www.semiaccurate.com/20...akes-fermi-boards-gtc/

His response: "oh dear"

I read everything that he wrote, really need to stop that, but what exactly was he trying to claim? Jen Hsun stated it was a chip freshly made, so Charlie takes the time to explain that he was telling the truth. He then somehow makes the leap that this proves everything he said was correct because it is an A1 stepping? Perhaps IDC can correct me if I am wrong, but is not A0 normally the first stepping of a chip? A1 would be the second stepping unless nVidia changed numbering methods AFAIK, just to prove Charlie right of course.

 

[darXoul]

Wow, Charlie is really amusing with his fierce determination in explaining and investigating all this crap.

To be honest, his article was boring and IMHO, pretty much pointless.

I don't really care whether the Fermi card shown was the real thing or Riva TNT2 Ultra screwed to an ironing board with a hairdryer fan attached to it as long as nVidia can finally release a truly new, innovative, progressive card that performs at the level I expect, i.e. around 20-30% faster than HD 5870. I'm not in a hurry, my card runs almost all games in eye candy modes pretty smoothly, with obvious but mostly irrelevant exceptions, the 5870 cannot really revolutionize my gaming experience (and is vaporware atm anyway) so another X months of "waiting time" is fine with me, even if X turns out to be 5 or 6.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: darXoul
Wow, Charlie is really amusing with his fierce determination in explaining and investigating all this crap.

To be honest, his article was boring and IMHO, pretty much pointless.

I don't really care whether the Fermi card shown was the real thing or Riva TNT2 Ultra screwed to an ironing board with a hairdryer fan attached to it as long as nVidia can finally release a truly new, innovative, progressive card that performs at the level I expect, i.e. around 20-30% faster than HD 5870. I'm not in a hurry, my card runs almost all games in eye candy modes pretty smoothly, with obvious but mostly irrelevant exceptions, the 5870 cannot really revolutionize my gaming experience (and is vaporware atm anyway) so another X months of "waiting time" is fine with me, even if X turns out to be 5 or 6.

Vaporware?? Actually you can buy a HD 5870 at newegg for $379 USD. So your claim is invalid unless if you are talking about the HD 5850.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: darXoul
Wow, Charlie is really amusing with his fierce determination in explaining and investigating all this crap.

To be honest, his article was boring and IMHO, pretty much pointless.

Yes, you are totally right. :roll:

That's exactly why once that was posted, the usuals are not out in full force in this thread.

Originally posted by: darXoul
I don't really care whether the Fermi card shown was the real thing or Riva TNT2 Ultra screwed to an ironing board with a hairdryer fan attached to it as long as nVidia can finally release a truly new, innovative, progressive card that performs at the level I expect

This statement can go without any words from me. Any logical person can see how a statement like that can be perceived.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
but is not A0 normally the first stepping of a chip? A1 would be the second stepping unless nVidia changed numbering methods AFAIK, just to prove Charlie right of course.

Not much gets by you any other day of the week, I'm not surprised you picked up on this little discrepancy in the presented chronology of events either.

Yes, this being A1 silicon means it is not first silicon. First silicon is/was most definitely A0, and while we can formulate rational estimates on the minimum time that NV could have gone from A0 tapeout to A1 silicon in hand that doesn't do anything to speak to just how long ago A0 might have taped out or how long ago A0 silicon was in hand.

(because we can't put an upper limit on how long NV took to complete their A1 respin, we can guess but we can't state with confidence)

So...yeah, just because Nvidia got A1 stepping silicon "days ago" we can't say anything about A0 not having taped out this spring or anything against the possibility that A0 silicon was inhouse this past spring. We can only say things regarding how long ago A0 silicon was probably inhouse at a minimum. (i.e. it probably was in house no later than July as any later than that would have prevented A1 tapeout in August as needed to have A1 samples back in hand no later than end of Sept)

For all we know Nvidia has been playing around with A0 silicon for 6 months, tweaking the design in silico as well as physically on the A0 chips before committing to an A1 respin tapeout.

What I find intriguing about the conversations that seem to center around NV's tapeout timelines is not the cerebral discussions on what we know, what we don't, what we can assume, and what we agree we can't assume, but rather it is the rhetoric and vitriol that permeates these "examples of journalistic integrity at its finest" that really bemuses me.

So much effort to make hay over the smallest things in the most hateful and angry way possible. Its sad really, seriously in a mental-disorder sort of way. The demons these folks feel they need to fight, their world just doesn't seem like a happy place to live for them.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
So much effort to make hay over the smallest things in the most hateful and angry way possible. Its sad really, seriously in a mental-disorder sort of way. The demons these folks feel they need to fight, their world just doesn't seem like a happy place to live for them.

Sig worthy :thumbsup:

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Quite a hypocritical statement there.

Please elaborate...

Originally posted by: alyarb
fakepost need != troll. surely someone of hurleybird's trollish stature would be familiar with the concept.

No, I'm not familiar with the concept. No one here knows what "fakepost need != troll" means. In any case, I'm not a troll, just laughing at fanboys who can't accept the obvious. If the situation were reversed and it was ATI lying about having working samples (and failing at it) I would do the same thing. I've actually bought 4 times as many Nvidia cards as ATI, if that makes any difference...

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
lol nvidia melt down. Now I actually feel bad for them. They really are going to get beat up over the next couple of years.

ouch just saw this on the forums over there

"nvidia, the way you're meant to be played"

its hard for companies to recover from shit like this when your competitor is doing well.

I saw a better one...

THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE RENAMED

lol!!!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
I might sound "ridiculous" to you alyarb, but keep your eyes on the poll.

This is primarily an ATI fan site. Most of the NVIDIA fans have been banned or at the very least chased off. Look at they eyefininty poll. LOL.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Tempered81
I might sound "ridiculous" to you alyarb, but keep your eyes on the poll.

This is primarily an ATI fan site. Most of the NVIDIA fans have been banned or at the very least chased off. Look at they eyefininty poll. LOL.

there's a good balance here at anandtech, you guys sure are well divided starting with you on for the green side.

on the subject - this is not thread worth. Nvidia did not offend anyone IMO, the card will eventually be here sometime, let's just relax.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Originally posted by: Red Storm
Just saw this on Anand's Twitter:

http://www.semiaccurate.com/20...akes-fermi-boards-gtc/

His response: "oh dear"

I read everything that he wrote, really need to stop that, but what exactly was he trying to claim? Jen Hsun stated it was a chip freshly made, so Charlie takes the time to explain that he was telling the truth. He then somehow makes the leap that this proves everything he said was correct because it is an A1 stepping? Perhaps IDC can correct me if I am wrong, but is not A0 normally the first stepping of a chip? A1 would be the second stepping unless nVidia changed numbering methods AFAIK, just to prove Charlie right of course.

Charlie could be right about the yields though. Kyle confirmed that as well. The fake board fits here as well.
If NV has limited number of chips it means that not enough people can work on it in parallel.
Engineers for tuning, developers for drivers, ...
It slows them down. I hope they won't miss Q1.

 

[alyarb]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Quite a hypocritical statement there.

Please elaborate...

Originally posted by: alyarb
fakepost need != troll. surely someone of hurleybird's trollish stature would be familiar with the concept.

No, I'm not familiar with the concept. No one here knows what "fakepost need != troll" means. In any case, I'm not a troll, just laughing at fanboys who can't accept the obvious. If the situation were reversed and it was ATI lying about having working samples (and failing at it) I would do the same thing. I've actually bought 4 times as many Nvidia cards as ATI, if that makes any difference...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fakepost%3F&l=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_equal

i've never exhibited fanboyism for any manufacturer. i've got an 8-series card in my machine now. i'm not a big gamer; i'm primarily interested in GPGPU, so you can (or perhaps you can't) see how the different design philosophies employed by AMD and nVIDIA are of interest to me. I did not enter this thread to claim the card is real or fake. I didn't vote in the poll. I just like to ridicule the morons who think that 3D rendering is playing second fiddle to GPGPU at nvidia, or whether waving around a card without hooking it up is or isn't a sign of weakness from which we can determine nothing or something. as others have pointed out, it doesn't prove anything other than nVIDIA is going to show more and more skin in order to cultivate interest without sabotaging sales in the meantime.

The points you people choose to speculate on most are pathetic, and this is mainly what i've come to observe. On a forum with over 200,000 people, only 12-15 know what they're talking about while the rest of you inadvertently continue to confess your cluelessness. Of course, you must realize that in the act of calling someone out or claiming that they are a troll, by the definition you make one of yourself. Calling someone out as a fanboy is even worse because it's as unsubstantiated as McCarthyism and just as humiliating for everyone involved that it must boil down to such accusation. You can't prove whether you are or not, and no one else can either. Then the message board itself is indicted for being "too green" or "too red" from one discussion to the next. And then people try to say "no no, hang on, i own all these cards, see! and i like this and that." All it does is make the accuser look like a total asshole because he's either run out of points in his argument or he himself is a troll seeking to stir up tension, and then the speculation migrates from a design appointment to forum politics. No one really needs to step in and ruin threads. It happens on its own. Except only this time Gikaseixas was able to sum everything up very neatly, the thread was ruined from the beginning by its very nature, and you guys are calling someone who hasn't owned a Radeon in 5 years a fanboy (is that your most-ready defense? a childlike offense?) because your egos, thin-shelled and M&M like, just got defibrillated by a satirical post. I guess each thread here is as beautiful and unique as a snowflake, fluttering downward without grace to its destiny; usually a volcano or the steamy carcass of a forest animal.