GF100 Fermi card at GTC a fake / mock-up

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
they also say FERMI will launch... that could very well mean the tesla version and not the video card version...
Or maybe just naked GPUs shipped to that company that said they will be building a super computer based on it; which can then be integrated into their own custom circuit boards to create the supercomputer.

For some reason that reminded me of Barcelona's launch...wasn't it fubared too but the marketing speak was it had launched and was shipping for revenue albeit to sole end-user site that was constructing one of those DOE supercomputers?

Regardless, that was probably a pointless tangent on my part, but regardless my point is just that these guys intentionally use there rather specific words to say one thing while hoping/intending the audience to mistakenly walk away with another impression of what they have been told.

When someone says "it won't be available till Q1 2010" of course they mean with respect to broad availability and are not trying to say "not a single sample will be sitting around for reviewers to be seeded and a deactivated out-of-stock sku to be created a newegg". Clearly when Kyle and Anand say don't hold your breath till Feb they really mean to say that unlucky 90-95% of the purchasing channel won't get their hands on them (at any price) until that timeframe.

So when marketing counters such statements with "well they are wrong, it will launch by the end of the year"...uhm, not exactly telling us anything that we should actually interpret to imply Anand/Kyle are wrong.

And that begs the question...if NV marketing is going to take the time to talk about launch/availability of Fermi then what better time is there to be perfectly clear about what you mean and what you don't mean? Unless you want to be intentionally vague and use words with hopes of sowing confusion?

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

And that begs the question...if NV marketing is going to take the time to talk about launch/availability of Fermi then what better time is there to be perfectly clear about what you mean and what you don't mean? Unless you want to be intentionally vague and use words with hopes of sowing confusion?

Isn't that the marketing folks job?

Whatever the performance of the Fermi might be, someone (except the extreme enthusiasts, which probably make a good part of the market these cards have) that buys now a 5850 or a 5870 won't probably buy a GTX 360 or 380 (or whatever their name) in 3-4 months.

Sincerely I hope AMD/ATI can snag some marketshare from nVidia, not because I've any financial or other interest on any of the companies, but because I like teams of engineers working hard to beat the opposing team of engineers and giving us, the consumers, the best possible product at the lowest possible price.

If only AMD could do that in the cpu front so we could have top of the line quads at under $100...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter

Originally posted by: Idontcare

And that begs the question...if NV marketing is going to take the time to talk about launch/availability of Fermi then what better time is there to be perfectly clear about what you mean and what you don't mean? Unless you want to be intentionally vague and use words with hopes of sowing confusion?

Isn't that the marketing folks job?

I'm not saying I'm confused by why they do or that I am baffled as to why they do, I am saying it is one of those things that really grinds my gears...much as the parading around mocked-up products grinds on the OP's gears.

I am also saying its one of those very specific kinds of marketing statements that IMO does them more harm than good. Until they opened their mouths I was 50/50 that we'd see Fermi-based GPU products before Win7 release...now they've opened their mouths and IMO removed all doubt as to whether or not Anand/Kyle were/are right. That was one of those rumors that was best to vanquish by simply releasing product, not vague launch-by statements.

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter

Originally posted by: Idontcare

And that begs the question...if NV marketing is going to take the time to talk about launch/availability of Fermi then what better time is there to be perfectly clear about what you mean and what you don't mean? Unless you want to be intentionally vague and use words with hopes of sowing confusion?

Isn't that the marketing folks job?

Whatever the performance of the Fermi might be, someone (except the extreme enthusiasts, which probably make a good part of the market these cards have) that buys now a 5850 or a 5870 won't probably buy a GTX 360 or 380 (or whatever their name) in 3-4 months.

Sincerely I hope AMD/ATI can snag some marketshare from nVidia, not because I've any financial or other interest on any of the companies, but because I like teams of engineers working hard to beat the opposing team of engineers and giving us, the consumers, the best possible product at the lowest possible price.

If only AMD could do that in the cpu front so we could have top of the line quads at under $100...

I agree with everything except for that last part.

Having "top-of-the-line" parts at sub-$100 is pretty much an oxymoron. AMD already has a few Athlon X4's at $100 that perform quite nicely, but you're kidding yourself if you think either AMD or Intel is going to price any cpu within striking range of their top-end offerings at $100 or less. At best, you can have performance near the high end of the previous generation of cpus, but the truth is $100 and below for cpus is reserved for budget builds.

 

[imported_Shaq]

The OP gets a cookie. Demo was actually run on Fermi though. Maybe you only get half a cookie.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...Track_for_Q4_2009.html

It says first commercial Fermi products will be released in Q4. Not sure what that means though. Is that the Quadro part the GPGPU part or the desktop part? If it is right before Xmas I would think the desktop part to boost sales.

Edit: I read through it again but I don't see anything about Elvis in there.

 

[BFG10K]

Apoppin is there currently for ABT, and this is what he said in response to the subject:

of course, i was rude .. and i asked

the official word is, it is a "production mock-up" .. they do have working Fermi silicon

(the closest anyone could get from any Nvidia official - as far as i can ascertain - for a firm Firmi GTX "number" comparison, was 1.6-1.8 times faster than the current GT 285 GTX; that is not confirmed, however)

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

I'm not saying I'm confused by why they do or that I am baffled as to why they do

Wasn't implying you were.

Originally posted by: dflynchimp

I agree with everything except for that last part.

Having "top-of-the-line" parts at sub-$100 is pretty much an oxymoron. AMD already has a few Athlon X4's at $100 that perform quite nicely, but you're kidding yourself if you think either AMD or Intel is going to price any cpu within striking range of their top-end offerings at $100 or less. At best, you can have performance near the high end of the previous generation of cpus, but the truth is $100 and below for cpus is reserved for budget builds.

People would have said the same about 4850 performance being reserved to the $200-250 range or the Q9x5x when Intel was using the Q6600 to keep AMD price at bay.

Its a question of competition and less imbalanced marketshares.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Topic Title: GF100 Fermi card at GTC a fake / mock-up

You've obviously never been in engineering or design.

When I was at Hayes Modems I had a design that when it first rolled off the line the power supply ran so hot I was able to keep my coffee mug on it.

Would you want that shipped to you?

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Topic Title: GF100 Fermi card at GTC a fake / mock-up

You've obviously never been in engineering or design.

When I was at Hayes Modems I had a design that when it first rolled off the line the power supply ran so hot I was able to keep my coffee mug on it.

Would you want that shipped to you?

And in what way does that invalidate that the card shown is a fake one?

I don't understand - people say it is no problem if it is a fake for marketing purposes and I agree. But then they bash people for saying that card is fake and I think nVidia confirmed it is so.

I think the only thing to retain of the card being fake vs real working one that was final retail design or close to it, is trying to guess when the actual product will be available.

If it was a close to final design we could think the product would be out soon. This way, it seems the rumors about the release being in late december early 2010 seems to be more accurate.

 

[Corporate Thug]

NV admitted it was a fake.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/F...howthread.php?t=235870

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You've obviously never been in engineering or design.

When I was at Hayes Modems I had a design that when it first rolled off the line the power supply ran so hot I was able to keep my coffee mug on it.

Would you want that shipped to you?

And in what way does that invalidate that the card shown is a fake one?

I don't understand - people say it is no problem if it is a fake for marketing purposes and I agree. But then they bash people for saying that card is fake and I think nVidia confirmed it is so.

Agreed. What OP suggested was the card NV CEO was waving at the conference looked like a fake - which turned out to be true. Of course there were folks who got worked up to their own prejudices and silliness as usual, but I don't think that was what OP aimed when he created this thread. We need to look ourselves in the mirror first before turning red.