Get the word out if you know this jerk.

[Babbles]

Wow, even the 4chan threads were more diplomatic than what this turned it.

That, in of itself, is nothing less than sheer amazement.

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Could you two bitches stop derailing the thread? Personally, I would like to know the series of events behind finding the poopswoosh responsible. How did they figure it out?

I am guessing then searched based on his YouTube ID, and came up with matches against his FaceBook and MySpace, and went from there.

yeah. /b/tards from 4chan are claiming credit which seems possible given their love of cats and freakish ability to stalk random people

Yeah, it started on 4chan sometime Sunday morning. I was following the few threads as it was going down and it was pretty crazy seeing all of the info come together.

 

[mmallern2000]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good riddens.

Chances are if he's the type who films himself abusing animals, he'd probably be beating/murdering your daughters in a decade. Escalation, y'know?

Maybe he'll be rehabilitated after this. Maybe not. Luckily he will be on everyone's radar for a good long time.

It's spelled "riddance" .

Also, it's an absurd stretch to think that just because a kid made a video of him scaring a cat that he's going to be murdering people.

Actually it is not absurd. A lot of serial killer activity begins with scarring/hurting small animals and escalation. I've taken homicide courses with Denver Police, and this past behavior is commonly noted in murder suspects.

 

[mmallern2000]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused

Not to mention the cat is obviously psychologically scarred from regular abuse. A normal cat would fight back and hiss like crazy. Only an abused cat would cower and not try to defend itself.

Either that OR they aren't really hitting it hard enough to cause it to care too much. If you notice when they turn the water on it acts like cats always do when you try to give them a bath. If this beating was real and this cat was psychologically scarred enough to ignore a beating you'd think that it would ignore the water, too.

I am not defending what this punk ass kid did, I'm just trying to analyze this situation rationally. Most people on this forum are too young and/or too emotional to think logically, and you simply hear an outpouring of emotion from them instead of rational thought.

Chances are this kid will have no charges stick to him since there is no proof of actual abuse. After the kid denies striking the cat they'll probably have a vet examine it to see if there are any injuries. If they find none this kid will get off.

There is no law against riling people up on message boards by releasing videos of simulated acts of violence.

Absurd must be your favorite word. Thus far you have used it in every post.... Thesaurus is your friend.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Absurd must be your favorite word. Thus far you have used it in every post....

Your accusation is absurd.

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Thesaurus is your friend.

I don't like dinosaurs.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: alkemyst
like I said call the lawton county DA if you don't believe the story, or the Lawton animal shelter BEFORE you start defending someone blindly.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you understand what that means? It means this guy is INNOCENT, until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

You're confusing a Court of Law with the court of Public Opinion. In this society, both are valid.
For proof, just reference OJ Simpson. Found "Not Guilty" in a Court of Law, then convicted in the court of Public Opinion.

Try to remember this in the future.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Allegedly abused. A JURY still has to decide if there was actual abuse.

The jury will not be the ones to necessarily determine whether abuse took place you realize, right? Depends on how the DA has the kids plea.

I don't think you know much about cases on abuse of animals and must be just trying to troll.

Trying to figure out if you are stupid, emo, or both.
So far there is no conviction OR guilty plea.

so what part of the videos did YOU find not abusive to the cat?

It's like saying Al Capone was innocent of being a mobster and the only thing he did wrong was not pay his taxes.

I think you have a problem understanding what a verdict of guilty is versus someone being acquitted versus someone being innocent versus someone doing something wrong.

The presumption of innocence is something really for the courts and those that do not have knowledge of the crime. If I am on a street and I see someone face to face and they shoot me. I know for a fact they are guilty. Others that saw them know for a fact they are guilty. In the eyes of the court they are not until they stand trial. To someone that didn't see what happened they should be innocent too.

We saw what this kid did. Regardless of whether his blows were light or strong, there is no denying it was the mistreatment of an animal - abuse. There is no debate. This was not special effects, Lucas Studios, etc. It was two kids doing bad things to a pet.

Michael Vick was stripped of his shit long before he was found truly guilty of dog fighting, were you defending him too?

Well, first you say whether abuse took place depends on how the DA and the kids plea. Then you are saying there is no denying there is abuse. So which one is it.
I leaning towards you being both emo and stupid, as I suspected.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good riddens.

Chances are if he's the type who films himself abusing animals, he'd probably be beating/murdering your daughters in a decade. Escalation, y'know?

Maybe he'll be rehabilitated after this. Maybe not. Luckily he will be on everyone's radar for a good long time.

It's spelled "riddance" .

Also, it's an absurd stretch to think that just because a kid made a video of him scaring a cat that he's going to be murdering people.

Actually it is not absurd. A lot of serial killer activity begins with scarring/hurting small animals and escalation. I've taken homicide courses with Denver Police, and this past behavior is commonly noted in murder suspects.

While most serial killers may have often tortured animals as a kid, that is NOT to say that most kids who torture animals turn into serial killers.

The other poster said he'll "probably" be beating/murdering your daughters. I said it's a stretch to think that. I'm right.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: chusteczka
It amazes me how well this thread has followed Godwin's Law once Amused compared this event to the Holocaust.

He didn't compare this event to the Holocaust. But you just did.
He was illustrating other instances of people denying what is common knowledge.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: alkemyst
like I said call the lawton county DA if you don't believe the story, or the Lawton animal shelter BEFORE you start defending someone blindly.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you understand what that means? It means this guy is INNOCENT, until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

You're confusing a Court of Law with the court of Public Opinion. In this society, both are valid.
For proof, just reference OJ Simpson. Found "Not Guilty" in a Court of Law, then convicted in the court of Public Opinion.

Try to remember this in the future.

Opinions are like @ssholes, everyone got one and they all stink. Court of public opinion is just general consensus, it does not establish facts.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Absurd must be your favorite word. Thus far you have used it in every post....

Your accusation is absurd.

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Thesaurus is your friend.

I don't like dinosaurs.

The feeling is mutual.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: alkemyst
like I said call the lawton county DA if you don't believe the story, or the Lawton animal shelter BEFORE you start defending someone blindly.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you understand what that means? It means this guy is INNOCENT, until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

You're confusing a Court of Law with the court of Public Opinion. In this society, both are valid.
For proof, just reference OJ Simpson. Found "Not Guilty" in a Court of Law, then convicted in the court of Public Opinion.

Try to remember this in the future.

Opinions are like @ssholes, everyone got one and they all stink. Court of public opinion is just general consensus, it does not establish facts.

So WHAT? It is still relevant. You cannot un-ring that bell.
This is why venues can be challenged and jury pools tainted.

 

[mmallern2000]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mmallern2000

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good riddens.

Chances are if he's the type who films himself abusing animals, he'd probably be beating/murdering your daughters in a decade. Escalation, y'know?

Maybe he'll be rehabilitated after this. Maybe not. Luckily he will be on everyone's radar for a good long time.

It's spelled "riddance" .

Also, it's an absurd stretch to think that just because a kid made a video of him scaring a cat that he's going to be murdering people.

Actually it is not absurd. A lot of serial killer activity begins with scarring/hurting small animals and escalation. I've taken homicide courses with Denver Police, and this past behavior is commonly noted in murder suspects.

While most serial killers may have often tortured animals as a kid, that is NOT to say that most kids who torture animals turn into serial killers.

The other poster said he'll "probably" be beating/murdering your daughters. I said it's a stretch to think that. I'm right.

It is not a stretch, as abuse patterns almost always continue. Probably is not the same as will be, and the assumption is that the cycle may easily (probably) continue if rehabilitation isn't pursued. Granted, not all offenders that are rehabilitated are cured of their behavior.

As for your ridiculous assumptions based upon Alkemyst having been in prison, they prove just how much of an imbicile you are.

FYI, thesaurus is not a dinosaur. It is a very handy resource tool to help you achieve a larger vocabulary than that of a fourth grader. kthxbye

Who would have thought I would be defending Alkemyst????

 

[Lummex]

This is 100x worse guys. Think of the emotional scars they must have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Te7QAsH6w

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: alkemyst

I think in an attempt to be an eBadAss, the point went way over 91TTZ's head. You never said the holocaust didn't happen or it was a lesser event.

Wow, you completely didn't comprehend what I said to him. Leave the arguing up to the intellectuals, ok?

BTW, aren't you the idiot who admitted doing jail time before?

I see that you are a fan of ad hominem arguments. Next time that you are trying oh-so-hard to make a "rational" argument, perhaps you should leave the logical fallacies at the door? It is hard to think of you as an intellectual otherwise.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mmallern2000


FYI, thesaurus is not a dinosaur. It is a very handy resource tool to help you achieve a larger vocabulary than that of a fourth grader. kthxbye

I can't believe you fell for that.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mmallern2000
It is not a stretch, as abuse patterns almost always continue. Probably is not the same as will be, and the assumption is that the cycle may easily (probably) continue if rehabilitation isn't pursued. Granted, not all offenders that are rehabilitated are cured of their behavior.

As for your ridiculous assumptions based upon Alkemyst having been in prison, they prove just how much of an imbicile you are.

FYI, thesaurus is not a dinosaur. It is a very handy resource tool to help you achieve a larger vocabulary than that of a fourth grader. kthxbye

Who would have thought I would be defending Alkemyst????

Thanks...I am also sure 91TTZ has no knowledge of anything, but a layman's account of child psychology. I wonder what case studies he is using for proof (since he is an intellectual and all). While he is probably right on not most would become serial killers; he is ignoring the much larger arena of children that abuse animals vs future abuse of spouses and children.

I feel sorry that with only a high school diploma and surrounded here by those of a much higher cranial capacity as well as much more accolades he is so defensive. It's sad really.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: alkemyst

I think in an attempt to be an eBadAss, the point went way over 91TTZ's head. You never said the holocaust didn't happen or it was a lesser event.

Wow, you completely didn't comprehend what I said to him. Leave the arguing up to the intellectuals, ok?

BTW, aren't you the idiot who admitted doing jail time before?

I see that you are a fan of ad hominem arguments. Next time that you are trying oh-so-hard to make a "rational" argument, perhaps you should leave the logical fallacies at the door? It is hard to think of you as an intellectual otherwise.

Stop crying. You fools are getting all emotional over a cat getting teased. This isn't a video of a nice little grandma getting beat to death while making oatmeal cookies, we're talking about a video of a cat getting teased.

And to think that some people cried looking at this video. They'd have to be an emotional trainwreck to get that upset about this.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, first you say whether abuse took place depends on how the DA and the kids plea. Then you are saying there is no denying there is abuse. So which one is it.
I leaning towards you being both emo and stupid, as I suspected.

You aren't understanding the difference of a crime being commited and even admitted too and what a verdict rendering/sentence equates too.

Again Al Capone is a great example.

With things like OJ and the like, no one saw what happened directly. All direct witnesses were dead. In this case, we as the people see exactly what happened. However; more than likely people like you that just cannot believe that this sequence was anything more than some cute kid and special effects with his vidcam will more than likely get him off with a much more minor charge and these records set to be purged at his 18th birthday.

I am not sure you think about your actions and their affects as much as you think "MAN I CAN CALL THIS GUY AN EMO!".

think about it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Would you also call this torture?

Cat Washer

It also involves water and a scared cat. In fact, the cat in this video looks more scared in the "torture" video.

Yeah much like a child's expression on a scary ride vs getting beaten by their parents.

There is a difference as well in the delivery of that water. It's not being forced directly over the face of the cat.

That video was in bad taste and an animal like that can be bathed in a longer and more relaxed way until they get used to it. It's rare though that a cat requires bathing.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Could you two bitches stop derailing the thread? Personally, I would like to know the series of events behind finding the poopswoosh responsible. How did they figure it out?

I am guessing then searched based on his YouTube ID, and came up with matches against his FaceBook and MySpace, and went from there.

yeah. /b/tards from 4chan are claiming credit which seems possible given their love of cats and freakish ability to stalk random people

Early sunday on /b/ (and then through being digg'd and i-reported) these videos turned up. I think the discovery was entirely random from YouTube.

In the beginning there was a hodge-podge of mostly those saying WTF and a minority of others like some here that thought it was 'cool' or 'ok'.

Well people started looking for clues in the video, email addys, names, locations, etc. I think it was location that lead them to a myspace account that had pics with the same colors in the background and then those musical instruments. After that high school, parents and the like fell into place.

By this time many of us were on the phone with Lawton Police, ASPCA, and PETA. Many were also using this time to falsely accuse others which is typical for these types of people who think such things are 'cool'.

Within practically minutes actions were under way and the videos were pulled, police had arrived and animal control took possession of the cat.

It was a pretty insane ride for those that were on /b/ at the time watching the play by play. I am sort of glad I was up early waiting for RTV to finish curing so I could test drive my car.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: mmallern2000
It is not a stretch, as abuse patterns almost always continue. Probably is not the same as will be, and the assumption is that the cycle may easily (probably) continue if rehabilitation isn't pursued. Granted, not all offenders that are rehabilitated are cured of their behavior.

As for your ridiculous assumptions based upon Alkemyst having been in prison, they prove just how much of an imbicile you are.

FYI, thesaurus is not a dinosaur. It is a very handy resource tool to help you achieve a larger vocabulary than that of a fourth grader. kthxbye

Who would have thought I would be defending Alkemyst????

While he is probably right on not most would become serial killers; he is ignoring the much larger arena of children that abuse animals vs future abuse of spouses and children..

Actually I'm not making claims to anything other than what I said. Other posters said that kids who torture animals probably will become serial killers. I said that it's a stretch to say that. If you were to take a look at the number of kids busted for torturing animals and compare that number to the number of serial killers, you'd see that the the numbers aren't even close.

I am not saying that these aren't signs of deranged people, and I'm not saying that they wouldn't have a higher incidence of spousal abuse vs. people who didn't torture animals.

Stick to what I said. Don't try to claim that I said otherwise in an attempt to construct a convenient straw man argument.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: alkemyst

I think in an attempt to be an eBadAss, the point went way over 91TTZ's head. You never said the holocaust didn't happen or it was a lesser event.

Wow, you completely didn't comprehend what I said to him. Leave the arguing up to the intellectuals, ok?

BTW, aren't you the idiot who admitted doing jail time before?

I see that you are a fan of ad hominem arguments. Next time that you are trying oh-so-hard to make a "rational" argument, perhaps you should leave the logical fallacies at the door? It is hard to think of you as an intellectual otherwise.

Stop crying. You fools are getting all emotional over a cat getting teased. This isn't a video of a nice little grandma getting beat to death while making oatmeal cookies, we're talking about a video of a cat getting teased.

And to think that some people cried looking at this video. They'd have to be an emotional trainwreck to get that upset about this.

Can I come over and tease you like that?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Could you two bitches stop derailing the thread? Personally, I would like to know the series of events behind finding the poopswoosh responsible. How did they figure it out?

I am guessing then searched based on his YouTube ID, and came up with matches against his FaceBook and MySpace, and went from there.

Yes, but how does youtube connect to facebook?
Only an idiot would use the same account or a variation of either.

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: jinduy
i wonder how much tax money is involved in nailing this kid

Way too much as usual on dumb shit like this,it's a fucking cat people..

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: alkemyst

I think in an attempt to be an eBadAss, the point went way over 91TTZ's head. You never said the holocaust didn't happen or it was a lesser event.

Wow, you completely didn't comprehend what I said to him. Leave the arguing up to the intellectuals, ok?

BTW, aren't you the idiot who admitted doing jail time before?

I see that you are a fan of ad hominem arguments. Next time that you are trying oh-so-hard to make a "rational" argument, perhaps you should leave the logical fallacies at the door? It is hard to think of you as an intellectual otherwise.

Stop crying. You fools are getting all emotional over a cat getting teased. This isn't a video of a nice little grandma getting beat to death while making oatmeal cookies, we're talking about a video of a cat getting teased.

And to think that some people cried looking at this video. They'd have to be an emotional trainwreck to get that upset about this.

Can I come over and tease you like that?

I couldn't help but laugh a little.