George Zimmerman: Did the prosecution prove its case?

[lotus503]

Yet you're not worried about race riots if GZ is acquitted? Fucking hypocrite.

You haven't seen spideys posts on the subject.

"Justice for Zimmerman or else"
"Justice for Zimmerman or no peace"

There are absolutely white people who will unhinge if he's convicted.

We have CTH doxing one of the witnesses in the case. Etc.

So it's not just a threat of black people rioting.

Personally either way I don't think the story lasts a week beyond blogs and forums.

 

[BoberFett]

Tom and RabidMongoose have gone full retard.

 

[BUTCH1]

I like the way the media tried to take a young man that beat up women and smoked pot and was kicked out of school, into a sweet innocent little child.

That works both ways, GZ arrested for domestic violence?, restraining order? resisting arrest?, LEO wanna-be? was TM breaking into a house? a car?, NO.. only thing that matters is what happened that night and we only have one witness alive, how convenient. NOT A SINGLE PERSON on this forum can say if GZ tried to grab and detain TM before the cops got there, we don't know if the fight was unprovoked "as of course GZ claims" or it wasn't. 1,000,000 to 1 "Rambo" stays in his car if he has no gun, he couldn't fight his way through wet tissue paper.

 

[BUTCH1]

There is no evidence to support the idea GZ attacked him and thus stand your ground from TM's perspective is impossible. The evidence does not support that GZ attacked TM and so self-defense is also irrelevant.

The police gave GZ no instructions. This is one of the biggest myths of the case, and the 911 operator who told him "we don't need you to do that" repeated multiple times under oath that he did not, nor ever does give orders of such a nature to people on the phone.

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Those who claim that this never would have happened if GZ hadn't left his car are arbitrarily choosing a random moment in a sequence of events. If you get drunk and kill me in my car is it my fault because if I had never left the house I'd still be dead? No. Why? Because I did not act illegally or even negligently, and neither did GZ. The law is unequivocal and nobody is denying (including prosecution) that GZ acted legally when he left his car. This is precisely why the 911 operator never did, nor claims to have given instructions to GZ saying not to follow. What the 911 operator did and does as a matter of procedure is make it clear that the person calling is in no way at all expected to do anything to assist, is completely off the hook and there is no expectation of him to do anything. That is all.

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If I am driving "suspiciously" and a cop pulls me over and finds out that in fact I am not high, not speeding, not drunk, or whatever, but then for some stupid reason I grab a gun and shoot at him and he kills me, is he responsible for my death because he shouldn't have pulled me over to begin with? Clearly no. And it's irrelevant whether GZ is a cop or not because he never acted illegally when he followed Trayvon. Stalking is the wrong term because there is no evidence to support it.

Huh? they've only played the 911 call 1,000,000 times "we don't need for you to do that" is clear as a bell on every single replay, WTF are talking about?..

 

[LightPattern]

Murder 2 no, manslaughter has a good chance of sticking.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/07/11/the-manslaughter-option-in-zimmermans-trial-an-explainer/

Sounds like multiple law professors think including manslaughter as an option was a big mistake by the court.

 

[Zebo]

i have reasonable doubt. Sad kid was shot but you really dont know who started it or how bad peril was which is enough for me to give reasonable doubt.

 

[Agent11]

The thought of a white race riot makes me laugh.

 

[Patranus]

The thought of a white race riot makes me laugh.

Well, shouldn't the hispanics be the ones rioting if Zimmerman is unjustly convicted?

 

[Baasha]

This trial is a farce; there is little hope for the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of Murder-2. Most likely, Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter.

The fact is, he was/is not a cop. He should not have profiled Trayvon (despite the stereotypes) and should have let the Sanford PD come and handle the situation. It is sad that a 17 year old kid is dead for doing nothing wrong. If Zimmerman is acquitted, which I highly doubt, the aftermath will be... interesting.

 

[irishScott]

This trial is a farce; there is little hope for the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of Murder-2. Most likely, Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter.

The fact is, he was/is not a cop. He should not have profiled Trayvon (despite the stereotypes) and should have let the Sanford PD come and handle the situation. It is sad that a 17 year old kid is dead for doing nothing wrong. If Zimmerman is acquitted, which I highly doubt, the aftermath will be... interesting.

Doing nothing wrong? From all the evidence presented, if Trayvon hadn't attacked him everyone would have lived.

Someone following you, even asking questions, does not give you the right to turn around and start beating the shit out of them. You could say Zimmerman provoked the situation, but from all appearances Trayvon escalated it to violence. At the end of the day, the guy who starts the fight is the one responsible.

This is what happens when a wannabe-gangsta meats up with a wannabe-cop, and in this instance the wannabe-cop, while certainly not someone worthy of respect IMO, isn't guilty of jack shit.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yet you're not worried about race riots if GZ is acquitted? Fucking hypocrite.

Lately it's the de-assimilated white men who have been leaking government secrets to other countries, committing acts of mass violence, etc. It's become a very serious problem ever since white men have lost their complete political power over the country since Obama broke it.

 

[xj0hnx]

Huh? they've only played the 911 call 1,000,000 times "we don't need for you to do that" is clear as a bell on every single replay, WTF are talking about?..

"Don't need for you to do that" isn't an order not to, and since he was already out of his car your point is pretty much completely moot.

 

[Patranus]

This trial is a farce; there is little hope for the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of Murder-2. Most likely, Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter.

The fact is, he was/is not a cop. He should not have profiled Trayvon (despite the stereotypes) and should have let the Sanford PD come and handle the situation. It is sad that a 17 year old kid is dead for doing nothing wrong. If Zimmerman is acquitted, which I highly doubt, the aftermath will be... interesting.

None of that is illegal.
You cannot convict him just because someone is dead.

 

[FerrelGeek]

State asks for M3 via child abuse at 7:30am this morning...

What case was this again?

The case to convict GZ of something to avoid unrest.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well, shouldn't the hispanics be the ones rioting if Zimmerman is unjustly convicted?

Don't you mean a "white" hispanic race riot? :biggrin:

 

[Doppel]

Huh? they've only played the 911 call 1,000,000 times "we don't need for you to do that" is clear as a bell on every single replay, WTF are talking about?..

As you said it is clear as a bell. We don't need you to do that is carefully chosen wording to mean exactly what it says and nothing more: the police are not requesting you do anything else at all.

It is not a command. This is in the operator's own words. He did not tell GZ to not follow. The wording is important and specific.

 

[Incorruptible]

Lately it's the de-assimilated white men who have been leaking government secrets to other countries, committing acts of mass violence, etc. It's become a very serious problem ever since white men have lost their complete political power over the country since Obama broke it.

STFU you scumbag

 

[CrackRabbit]

STFU you scumbag

Sad, another terrorist supporting post.

 

[Incorruptible]

I don't understand how the prosecution was so horrible. The defense was able to counter most of their arguments.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't understand how the prosecution was so horrible. The defense was able to counter most of their arguments.

The "Special" prosecution never had a case from day one. This is why the original DA didn't charge GZ, he had no evidence to refute his claim of self defense.

Per Florida law unless the state has probable cause they can't detain, arrest, charge, or prosecute someone that has used justifiable force in self defense.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1)  A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorneys fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

To think all this time you claim to support the US Constitution and State's laws.

 

[Doppel]

I don't understand how the prosecution was so horrible. The defense was able to counter most of their arguments.

Because just as Brian never had his car the state never had their case. They have done what they could with what they had. I can't really see how they could have done better because they had nothing.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I don't understand how the prosecution was so horrible. The defense was able to counter most of their arguments.

Almost missed calling you out for your terrorism support here.

 

[Incorruptible]

The "Special" prosecution never had a case from day one. This is why the original DA didn't charge GZ, he had no evidence to refute his claim of self defense.

Per Florida law unless the state has probable cause they can't detain, arrest, charge, or prosecute someone that has used justifiable force in self defense.

To think all this time you claim to support the US Constitution and State's laws.

So do you think it was racially and politically motivated then?

 

[CrackRabbit]

So do you think it was racially and politically motivated then?

Continued support for terrorism I see. Truly sad.

 

[chihlidog]

I don't understand how the prosecution was so horrible. The defense was able to counter most of their arguments.

The prosecution was horrible because the CASE is horrible. The evidence all supports that GZ was acting in self defense. The prosecution, especially in its closing, did a good job of making an emotional appeal. I'd actually suggest they did as well as anyone could, because there is simply no CASE.