George Zimmerman: Did the prosecution prove its case?

[nextJin]

Any bets on which city will have the first riot or which black leader will come out and condemn the verdict?

I'm thinking Sharpton will immediately cover it on his show, followed by Chicago or DC violence. Jackson has been lower key this case he probably is not as stupid as Sharpton.

 

[cubby1223]

Any bets on which city will have the first riot or which black leader will come out and condemn the verdict?

I'm thinking Sharpton will immediately cover it on his show, followed by Chicago or DC violence. Jackson has been lower key this case he probably is not as stupid as Sharpton.

Maybe Jesse learned something from the Duke LaCrosse case?

 

[Doppel]

Maybe Jesse learned something from the Duke LaCrosse case?

Nevar!

 

[nextJin]

Maybe Jesse learned something from the Duke LaCrosse case?

Maybe that's it, it was awhile ago and I don't keep up with him enough to keep know but he has been drastically more quiet this time around.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm actually surprised by the poll, well done Anandtech.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm actually surprised by the poll, well done Anandtech.

I'm actually shocked at the number of people here who followed all the details of this trial

 

[Zargon]

We know what Zimmerman is, was, is, still is, will forever be.
And why he went after the black kid.

yeah wasnt he mentoring underprivileged(mostly black) youths before this happened?

hard to beleive he was doing that and secretly hating them all

 

[xBiffx]

Any bets on which city will have the first riot or which black leader will come out and condemn the verdict?

I'm thinking Sharpton will immediately cover it on his show, followed by Chicago or DC violence. Jackson has been lower key this case he probably is not as stupid as Sharpton.

St. Louis

 

[xeemzor]

I can only imagine how delusional the people who voted yes are.

 

[xBiffx]

I can only imagine how delusional the people who voted yes are.

No need to imagine. There are pages and pages of proof over here.

 

[xeemzor]

No need to imagine. There are pages and pages of proof over here.

Can you pull out some highlights? I can't read through 2522 pages of stupid.

 

[xBiffx]

Can you pull out some highlights? I can't read through 2522 pages of stupid.

Keyword search: emperus and soundforbjt

Should keep you busy for a bit.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Keyword search: emperus and soundforbjt

Should keep you busy for a bit.

Don't forget airdata!!!

 

[diesbudt]

I'm actually shocked at the number of people here who followed all the details of this trial

Yea I know. And the Casey Anthony trial before that.

 

[xBiffx]

Don't forget airdata!!!

I try to everyday. Thanks a lot.

 

[diesbudt]

I can only imagine how delusional the people who voted yes are.

Right?

However remember, for a believer there will always be enough evidence for a skeptic there will never be enough evidence.

 

[Sinsear]

I can't believe people votes yes. There is no way you could be convinced beyond reasonable doubt to convict for murder 2.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm actually shocked at the number of people here who followed all the details of this trial

I'm not at all surprised. This case involves all sorts of other racial issues that go far beyond whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of murder. At least two of the issues are:

(1.) Will the black community accept that a black teen could have possibly committed a crime and that his shooting was justified? Or will the black community try to blame Whitey again? What does the black community's response to the case say about where it is headed?

(2.) Do you have a right to self-defense if someone is on top of you banging your head into concrete after breaking your nose?

(3.) Will prosecutors in America attempt to convict innocent people? Will a judge allow it? Is our legal process motivated by politics rather than justice?

 

[Jaskalas]

There could have been evidence...

• if Zimmerman didn't "lose" Martin...
• if Zimmerman had spoken first...
• if the fight didn't start at the T...
• if the ballistics weren't as clear or evident...
• if a witness saw Zimmerman approach / assault Martin...
• if a witness described anything at all damning or contradictory...

A new piece of evidence, to me, was that someone ran towards the T prior to the assault. Indicating, to me, evidence of Martin confronting Zimmerman.

Again, all circumstantial.

Perhaps if Martin had actually fought for control of the gun, instead of bashing Zimmerman's head in - then there would be less of a case for self defense. As it stands, Martin did all that himself. A "ground and pound" gives me no reason to find the defendant guilty. It shifts the burden of proof to a degree that was not met.

Was Martin shot and killed? Yes.
Did Zimmerman do it? Yes.
Are there grounds for justification? Yes.
Can his justification be disqualified? No.

Martin created the justification. The prosecution is trying to deny it but it just didn't show me that. I can see potential reasons if there had been evidence...

 

[bshole]

Do you have a right to self-defense if someone is on top of you banging your head into concrete after breaking your nose?

Thousands of people get their asses kicked every day in fist fights. If you are losing a fight, is it justifiable to shoot the guy who is winning? Tough question. If you see cops beating a man, is it justifiable to shoot the cops if you think they are killing the victim?

I would possibly convict this guy of manslaughter if they can prove he initiated the conflict. Haven't paid much attention however. I am more interested in the case in LA where 7 cops opened fire on 2 innocent women who were delivering papers. None of the cops got demoted and they paid off the women. It is weird that cops can attempt to murder innocent civillians and not be prosecuted for it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

(1.) Will the black community accept that a black teen could have possibly committed a crime and that his shooting was justified?

I would think there must be thousands of examples of that happening.
No?

 

[xBiffx]

Thousands of people get their asses kicked every day in fist fights. If you are losing a fight, is it justifiable to shoot the guy who is winning? Tough question. If you see cops beating a man, is it justifiable to shoot the cops if you think they are killing the victim?

I would possibly convict this guy of manslaughter if they can prove he initiated the conflict. Haven't paid much attention however. I am more interested in the case in LA where 7 cops opened fire on 2 innocent women who were delivering papers. None of the cops got demoted and they paid off the women. It is weird that cops can attempt to murder innocent civillians and not be prosecuted for it.

If you are getting your head bashed against the concrete sidewalk then yes, you have the right to shoot.

If you are stupid enough to shoot cops beating a man, have at it.

Nice off topic comment on the LA shooting. None of that applies to this situation, none.

You keep trying to push this narrative. You simply do not understand self defense and the laws surrounding it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Thousands of people get their asses kicked every day in fist fights. If you are losing a fight, is it justifiable to shoot the guy who is winning? Tough question. If you see cops beating a man, is it justifiable to shoot the cops if you think they are killing the victim?

It wasn't just a fistfight at that point, but rather a fist-and-concrete fight.

 

[bshole]

Well X,

I have seen guys get alot worse than a broken nose in fights at bar time.... a WHOLE lot worse. Zimmerman had very minor wounds.

Dr. Valerie Rao also said that based on the wounds, it was possible Zimmerman's head was only slammed into concrete once, rather than over and over as he has said, ABC News reports.

"If you look at the injuries, they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force, I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that." But under cross examination, Rao admitted that Zimmerman's head could also have hit the concrete multiple times, and that the abrasions on Martin's knuckles were consistent with him having punched someone

Basically is there any evidence about who initiated the confrontation? If Zimmerman initiated contact, then he is gulity of manslaughter, it is a no-brainer. If the other guy did, then Zimmerman is not. It is as simple as that. The 2nd degree murder charge is of course patently ridiculous.

PS. I fear law enforcement by an order of magnitude more than I fear black thugs. I consider law enforcement as the most vicious unprincipled evil corrupt gang in America. Every day they prey on innocent Americans and every day they trample over the constitution with impunity.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I would think there must be thousands of examples of that happening.
No?

Not in cases like this where it isn't blatantly obvious and where the black teen is the one that ended up dead.