George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

[etech]

Even if I said Thyssin steel was the largest, but turns out to maybe be the 2nd largest, actually means jack sh*t. They still produced around 50% of Iron, steel, copper, and so fourth. Therefore, unless there was only 1 more company (which you have named numerous) that mined and created these, it would still be the largest too.

A country at peace needs iron, steel, copper and so forth. You have produced a link between a Bush forebear and a Germany company, that is all.

 

[KAMAZON]

Problem is, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 for funding Thyssin Steel, during the height of World War 2, months after American GIs were being slaughtered by Nazi soldiers using those materials. THat is why FDR closed down the bank under the 'trading with the enemy pact'

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Problem is, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 for funding Thyssin Steel, during the height of World War 2, months after American GIs were being slaughtered by Nazi soldiers using those materials. THat is why FDR closed down the bank under the 'trading with the enemy pact'

Ok....first of it wasn't Prescott Bush's bank....it was Union bank which Bush owned a share....a single solitary share of.....Secondly Thyssin was seized by the Nazis in 39.....when did Prescott Bush leave the board of said bank? 1931

 

[KAMAZON]

Ok....first of it wasn't Prescott Bush's bank....it was Union bank which Bush owned a share....a single solitary share of.....Secondly Thyssin was seized by the Nazis in 39.....when did Prescott Bush leave the board of said bank? 1931

Bush was a partner with one of the Harriman brothers in the bank. he wasn't just a 'stock shareholder'. Prescott Bush only left the bank after the bank was shut down in 1942 under the trading with the enemy pact well after the US entered WW2. This is also AFTER the NAZI party siezed Thyssin Steel, so the bank wasn't funding Fritz Thyssin, but the Nazi party directly.

 

[burnedout]

Even if I said Thyssin steel was the largest, but turns out to maybe be the 2nd largest, actually means jack sh*t. They still produced around 50% of Iron, steel, copper, and so fourth. Therefore, unless there was only 1 more company (which you have named numerous) that mined and created these, it would still be the largest too.

Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact', not 1939 before the war started, which would have still been bad. The executive order to shut them down is available in the library of congress where I have seen a copy of it myself. The fact that the bank was shut down AFTER 1939 for 'trading with the enemy pact' which was when the Nazi party had taken it over, is damning enough as it is. So far, the only refutement you have given me is that "some website says larouche is a nut". Woop de doo. I'll make a website saying you are a nut. Does that mean I'm right?

Let's see now:

-Qualified, academic opinion by a noted Princeton University PhD faculty member is presented doubting the book's assertion that: Private armies of 300,000 to 400,000 terrorists aided the Nazis' rise to power.

-Literal proof that Fritz Thyssen was out of the loop from 1939 to 1942. His publication "I Paid Hitler" was written by a ghostwriter. Nevermind that the "book" (hahahaha) conveniently fails to mention this.

-Qualified, academic opinion by a university professor on how the NSDAP was financed. And linked, no less. But nevermind the statement in the "book" to the effect of President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany

-The author can not prove in any way, shape or form that UBC financed the Thyssen concern after 1939.

-Known evidence that Hjalmar Schacht quit the NSDAP in 1939. He is thrown in a concentration camp in 1944. But nevermind the fact that the "book" conveniently fails to mention this.

-Excerpts from a reknown German historian attesting to the rise and financing of the NSDAP.

-Annotations in the footnotes indicating materials production for 1938 while the author tries to sell it as war production.

Yup. That thar "book" got some big problems. Is LaRouche a nut? Judge for yourself.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Ok....first of it wasn't Prescott Bush's bank....it was Union bank which Bush owned a share....a single solitary share of.....Secondly Thyssin was seized by the Nazis in 39.....when did Prescott Bush leave the board of said bank? 1931

Bush was a partner with one of the Harriman brothers in the bank. he wasn't just a 'stock shareholder'. Prescott Bush only left the bank after the bank was shut down in 1942 under the trading with the enemy pact well after the US entered WW2. This is also AFTER the NAZI party siezed Thyssin Steel, so the bank wasn't funding Fritz Thyssin, but the Nazi party directly.

Read this slow ok...

Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen.

Prescott Bush, for his part, owned a single share of stock (of 4,000) in UBC

 

[KAMAZON]

Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

Alot of business continued doing business with future enemies until we entered the war in 1942.

 

[KAMAZON]

Alot of business continued doing business with future enemies until we entered the war in 1942.

That is true, but Bushes bank was shut down for funding the Nazi war company that produced about 50% of the Steel, Iron, Copper, Pig Iron, etc. for the Nazi soldiers. This is why they were shut down, and others weren't.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

Of course UBC was shut down in 1942. My inquiry is simple. Very simple. Where does the author mention anywhere in chapter 2 of the "book" that UBC funded the Thyssen concern after 1939?

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

Of course UBC was shut down in 1942. My inquiry is simple. Very simple. Where does the author mention anywhere in chapter 2 of the "book" that UBC funded the Thyssen concern after 1939?

You seem to think that I'm here to defend 'the book' when I haven't even mentioned it. I haven't even read the book! I've done research on this topic. The bank was shut down not for previously funding the nazis, but for *FUNDING* the Nazi party. If we were going to shut them down for previously funding the nazis, we would have done it in 1939. Besides, what if Prescott was funding them before 1939? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that they were only funded before 1939. Are you willing to tell me that 'they didn't know' hitler was an enemy?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

Of course UBC was shut down in 1942. My inquiry is simple. Very simple. Where does the author mention anywhere in chapter 2 of the "book" that UBC funded the Thyssen concern after 1939?

You seem to think that I'm here to defend 'the book' when I haven't even mentioned it. I haven't even read the book! I've done research on this topic. The bank was shut down not for previously funding the nazis, but for *FUNDING* the Nazi party. If we were going to shut them down for previously funding the nazis, we would have done it in 1939. Besides, what if Prescott was funding them before 1939? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that they were only funded before 1939. Are you willing to tell me that 'they didn't know' hitler was an enemy?

So you haven't read a book that you posted in a thread about and have been quoting constantly in this, and other, threads. Nice....real nice.......you're either a loon, a liar, or a little of both.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Actually, Bushes bank was shut down in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy pact' for funding Thyssin Steel. Not 1938 or 1939 like you're trying to assume.

Of course UBC was shut down in 1942. My inquiry is simple. Very simple. Where does the author mention anywhere in chapter 2 of the "book" that UBC funded the Thyssen concern after 1939?

You seem to think that I'm here to defend 'the book' when I haven't even mentioned it. I haven't even read the book! I've done research on this topic. The bank was shut down not for previously funding the nazis, but for *FUNDING* the Nazi party. If we were going to shut them down for previously funding the nazis, we would have done it in 1939. Besides, what if Prescott was funding them before 1939? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that they were only funded before 1939. Are you willing to tell me that 'they didn't know' hitler was an enemy?

He made an investment in a German firm. The problem with your arguement is that you than strecth that to he funded the Nazis. That does not follow.

Keep trying though, your persistence is amusing.

 

[KAMAZON]

He made an investment in a German firm. The problem with your arguement is that you than strecth that to he funded the Nazis. That does not follow.

Keep trying though, your persistence is amusing.

Yup, he made 'investments' in German firms that were making the weapons for genocidal wars which got so bad, that FDR had to shut down his bank since he wouldn't stop 'trading with the enemy' even in 1942 while the Nazis were killing your grandfathers. I'm very glad you're amused.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

He made an investment in a German firm. The problem with your arguement is that you than strecth that to he funded the Nazis. That does not follow.

Keep trying though, your persistence is amusing.

Yup, he made 'investments' in German firms that were making the weapons for genocidal wars which got so bad, that FDR had to shut down his bank since he wouldn't stop 'trading with the enemy' even in 1942 while the Nazis were killing your grandfathers. I'm very glad you're amused.

The investments that were made in the German firms were made in the 1920's and 1930's....remember now that Prescott Bush left the board of the investment company in 1931......Hitler did not come to power until the mid 1930's, 1933 or 1934 depending on if you want to define coming to power as being Chancellor or being President. Now...the first anti Jewish laws were not passed until 1935 and even then they were not heavily inforced and had nothing to do with killing Jews. The actual Holocaust did not begin until sometime in late 1941 or early 1942 depending on what source you use.

Tell me again how people in the 20's and 30's were supposed to be able to see 10, 15, or 20+ years into the future.

I swear....facts go through one side of your head and out the other faster than fear through the French Army.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

He made an investment in a German firm. The problem with your arguement is that you than strecth that to he funded the Nazis. That does not follow.

Keep trying though, your persistence is amusing.

Yup, he made 'investments' in German firms that were making the weapons for genocidal wars which got so bad, that FDR had to shut down his bank since he wouldn't stop 'trading with the enemy' even in 1942 while the Nazis were killing your grandfathers. I'm very glad you're amused.

Would you mind supplying detailed information on the investments made after Pearl Harbor?

Would you also supply a list of all other Americans which made similar investments in Germany from 1920 to 1941.

Thank you for you time, you were fun to play with.

 

[burnedout]

You seem to think that I'm here to defend 'the book' when I haven't even mentioned it. I haven't even read the book! I've done research on this topic. The bank was shut down not for previously funding the nazis, but for *FUNDING* the Nazi party. If we were going to shut them down for previously funding the nazis, we would have done it in 1939. Besides, what if Prescott was funding them before 1939? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that they were only funded before 1939. Are you willing to tell me that 'they didn't know' hitler was an enemy?

OK, it seems you still are hung up on this topic. Fine. I'll play.

-You state "I haven't even read the book!" yet you make allusions to material from it in an earlier post.

-Of course "they" knew Hitler was hostile. Not only did the government close UBC, the government also seized the rest of the German assets in the United States. Do you think Bayer Aspirin started as a U.S. company? Of course not. We seized the branch and this section of Bayer later became a U.S. company.

I wonder why the author never mentions other similar seizures and closures of U.S. based, German concerns in that silly "book"?

 

[KAMAZON]

Would you mind supplying detailed information on the investments made after Pearl Harbor?

Would you also supply a list of all other Americans which made similar investments in Germany from 1920 to 1941.

Thank you for you time, you were fun to play with.

Making investments into german companies isn't a crime, we rebuilt the entire country. Again, funding the companies which were mining the minerals and producing the wepaons to kill American GIs while the war was going on, that's different. Do you honestly not see a difference between the two, or are you just playing stupid?

 

[KAMAZON]

Tell me again how people in the 20's and 30's were supposed to be able to see 10, 15, or 20+ years into the future.

I swear....facts go through one side of your head and out the other faster than fear through the French Army.

When Presscott Bush invited the Nazis in the 20s to NY to give a confrence on "Eugenics" as why the white race is superior would be a good start.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: KAMAZON
I read your links, perhaps you would like to tell me where you can refute Presscott Bush was *NOT* funding Thyssin Steel through his bank which was shut down under the 'trading with the enemy pact', or perhaps you can show me how Thyssin Steel was NOT a major Nazi war industrial company. I would love to hear any evidence you have on these critical points.

Kamazon

They have no way to refute the facts other than personal attacks and a mantra of "read what I already posted" - none of which refutes the fact that the Harrimans and Prescott funded the Nazis both before and after WWII. Their enterprise was CLOSED UNDER THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMIES ACT!

What part of trading with the enemy don't these people understand.

And how can they miss the connection between the Bush family and the Carlyle Group. Former heads of state making billions off of war. Profiteering has ALWAYS been the Bush MO.

Now we have a band of NAZIS, the neocons, telling Bush to wage war against sovereign nations under FALSE PRETENCES. Lying about a threat to our national security in order to start a war that members of the Bush FAMILY AND ADMINISTRATION ARE PROFITING FROM.

Kamazon - it's no use. Only time will tell and by then, as the world learned with the first batch of Nazis we had to deal with, it's too late.

Maybe this is what Bush meant by "The New World Order."

Zeig Heil, mine Fuhrer BUSH!

Well unlike the Germans in 1933, we CAN stop this NOW. IF we impeach "Dirty Dick" Cheney, this entire neo-nazi 'straussian' crowd is going to go, and LaRouche can be president! Check out: www.larouchein2004.com

We don't need another Ralph Nader in 2004.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Tell me again how people in the 20's and 30's were supposed to be able to see 10, 15, or 20+ years into the future.

I swear....facts go through one side of your head and out the other faster than fear through the French Army.

When Presscott Bush invited the Nazis in the 20s to NY to give a confrence on "Eugenics" as why the white race is superior would be a good start.

Nice misinformation.....The truth is that in 1932 New York's American Museum of Natural History hosted the 3rd International Congress of Eugenics. The meeting was dedicated to Mary Harriman, the mother of Averell Harriman - partner at the Wall Street powerhouse Brown Brothers/Harriman. Mary Harriman had been influential back in the early 1900's in the founding of the Eugenics Record Office in London. Tell me again how that equates to Prescott Bush inviting Nazis to give a conference.

You're really good at twisting 1/2 facts into something damning.....too bad the truth eventually comes along and proves you to be either ill informed or purposefully misleading.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Tell me again how people in the 20's and 30's were supposed to be able to see 10, 15, or 20+ years into the future.

I swear....facts go through one side of your head and out the other faster than fear through the French Army.

When Presscott Bush invited the Nazis in the 20s to NY to give a confrence on "Eugenics" as why the white race is superior would be a good start.

Nice misinformation.....The truth is that in 1932 New York's American Museum of Natural History hosted the 3rd International Congress of Eugenics. The meeting was dedicated to Mary Harriman, the mother of Averell Harriman - partner at the Wall Street powerhouse Brown Brothers/Harriman. Mary Harriman had been influential back in the early 1900's in the founding of the Eugenics Record Office in London. Tell me again how that equates to Prescott Bush inviting Nazis to give a conference.

You're really good at twisting 1/2 facts into something damning.....too bad the truth eventually comes along and proves you to be either ill informed or purposefully misleading.

Whether I agree or disagree with Kamazon aside - by your statement above am I to understand you're saying your statements are the only statements that are always true?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You haven't lived until you've been insulted by Corn. It's like a broken bottle of champagne.

There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him.
One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move.

Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood there motionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed.

Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. "How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away?"

"If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it," the master replied, "to whom does the gift belong?"

:beer:

Edit to add... seems the young warrior has come here.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Tell me again how people in the 20's and 30's were supposed to be able to see 10, 15, or 20+ years into the future.

I swear....facts go through one side of your head and out the other faster than fear through the French Army.

When Presscott Bush invited the Nazis in the 20s to NY to give a confrence on "Eugenics" as why the white race is superior would be a good start.

Nice misinformation.....The truth is that in 1932 New York's American Museum of Natural History hosted the 3rd International Congress of Eugenics. The meeting was dedicated to Mary Harriman, the mother of Averell Harriman - partner at the Wall Street powerhouse Brown Brothers/Harriman. Mary Harriman had been influential back in the early 1900's in the founding of the Eugenics Record Office in London. Tell me again how that equates to Prescott Bush inviting Nazis to give a conference.

You're really good at twisting 1/2 facts into something damning.....too bad the truth eventually comes along and proves you to be either ill informed or purposefully misleading.

Whether I agree or disagree with Kamazon aside - by your statement above am I to understand you're saying your statements are the only statements that are always true?

No, my statments are based on research of what really happened from mulitple places....his statements are based on his truth as fed to him by LaRouche.

 

[KAMAZON]

Nice misinformation.....The truth is that in 1932 New York's American Museum of Natural History hosted the 3rd International Congress of Eugenics. The meeting was dedicated to Mary Harriman, the mother of Averell Harriman - partner at the Wall Street powerhouse Brown Brothers/Harriman. Mary Harriman had been influential back in the early 1900's in the founding of the Eugenics Record Office in London. Tell me again how that equates to Prescott Bush inviting Nazis to give a conference.

You're really good at twisting 1/2 facts into something damning.....too bad the truth eventually comes along and proves you to be either ill informed or purposefully misleading.

By your own posts in this thread, Presscott and the Harrimans were the ones running the 'Nazi Bank' together. They were also partners in the bank. His partners mother who was a major influence in the later Nazi science of Eugenics (proving white people are superior) started this study no where else but in London, and came to the US.

Just because his bank partners (who'se bank was shut down for funding the nazis) were funding a racial study of 'the masterarian race', doesn't mean Presscott didn't invite the Nazis to the confrence. The fact that his partners family was a major influence in the race study that hte Nazis adopted these works as their own, would give MORE credible influence to Presscotts own nazi ideologies. Even if I am not able to get the documentation that Presscott personally invited the Nazi into NY for the confrence, that doesn't make light of the fact that his partners family (who'se bank was shut down for funding hte nazis) were a investor to Nazi ideology of the great arian race.