GeForce Titan coming end of February

[SirPauly]

interms of building a gaming system I think I'd take two 7950s over titan atm the extra 6 games,radeon pro fixing micro stuttering to a degree, being $300 cheaper, an having lots of headroom make it seem like the more reasonable prospect tbh

And that is what is great about choice and competition.

 

[wand3r3r]

Edit: looks too fake (removed image)

 

[amenx]

Yes its pretty much going to be hot and power hungry with 7bln transistors.

The intended target buyers for this card will not care one bit. Its equivalent in the automotive world is probably a Ferrari. You wouldnt hear car buffs complaining about the fuel consumption of the car.

 

[ICDP]

The graph doesn't look off from expectations. Relative to a 7970GE:
47% faster in Crysis 2
35% faster in BF3
43% faster in FC3
23% faster in Hitman

How is that at turd? Of those 4 games, 2 are AMD sponsored, and Titan still manages to average 37% faster than the hd7970GE.

Are you serious? I have seen you quite rightly call out AMD for pricing the HD 7970 so high compared to a HD 6970. HD 7970 was 42% faster than HD 6970 yet it was nowhere near $540 more expensive. I thought HD 7970 was overpriced as it represented a ~60% price hike over HD 6970 for only ~40% performance. The HD 7970 was priced higher than a GTX 580 1.5GB and similar to a 3GB GTX 580 so the price/perf ratio at least remained similar (or better compared to GTX 580 3GB). This made the price slightly easier to swallow so it was at least palatable. If you think a 150% price premium for a 37% performance increase compared to its nearest competitor is acceptable then there is no hope for us GPU enthusiasts.

HD 7970 custom cooled can be purchased for $360 from Newegg. Titan is expected at $900 and that's before price gouging. Performance difference is 37%. Anyone who even remotely defends an almost $550 price hike for a 37% performance increase is full of sh!t. PERIOD

 

[Lonbjerg]

So people come into whine over prices of a halo-high-end-card?

Buisness as usual..."grapes are sour"-syndrome spotted.

 

[SirPauly]

My constructive nit-pick is the same:

The price/performance of 28nm, at times, was more-so evolutionary and incremental considering the node and arch are substantial and significant.

Ya can't blame companies for trying to maximize revenue and margins based on competitive strengths and opportunities because they simply have all the risk.

 

[OCGuy]

If some of the credible-looking leaked slides turn out to be true, I am not going to regret my descision to try to get one of the first one's off the lot.

As far as the sour-grapers, they most likely don't have the funds to purchase the card anyway. As far as the people who do have the funds but are already running a nice 2-card setup, it is perfectly acceptable for them to say they do not believe it is worth it.

But the actual rage you can see in some posts, by people with setups from 2005, as if they are or ever have been in the market for a Halo card...is quite fun to watch

 

[BallaTheFeared]

HD 7970 custom cooled can be purchased for $360 from Newegg.

$360 seems like an awful high price for a $250 mid-range chip, does it make sandwiches for the increased cost?

 

[f1sherman]

Anyone who even remotely defends an almost $550 price hike for a 37% performance increase is full of sh!t. PERIOD

Can you real quick explain what do you mean by defending NV Titan $900 pricing?


Do you honestly believe there is even a single person here who would have anything against... uhmm say $299 price mark for Titan

 

[The Alias]

$360 seems like an awful high price for a $250 mid-range chip, does it make sandwiches for the increased cost?

how about pay for itself ?

 

[SirPauly]

Anyone who even remotely defends an almost $550 price hike for a 37% performance increase is full of sh!t. PERIOD

It's pretty difficult to strongly defend premiums but more choice is always welcomed and personally allow the market to decide.

We are going to see how the market reacts to this and should be interesting.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

how about pay for itself ?

Wow, why are we even here there is only one company worth discussing and they give away free money!

Oh right, some of us use our PC's for entertainment and actually get a weekly paycheck.

 

[OCGuy]

Don't even try to explain it to them. Kids don't understand that pricing is not based off some percieved increase in peformance.

They have no idea about supply v percieved demand, R&D costs, costs of materials (remember everyone but AMD pays per die, not working die), plus a profit, plus a profit for their partners (EVGA, etc). Plus there will be a tax for being the best GPU in the world, by far. Add all that in with the fact that AMD is going to sell you the same card for 2 years possibly....

I promise you the guy in the suit in the office who has to calculate the launch price is not taking into account percentages over other games currently on the market.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If you can afford and want it more power to you. I am sure if money did grow on trees many people would buy one who say it costs too much.

A Lambo costs too much, a house on Miami beach costs too much, and a steak from certain places costs too much. There are people though who purchase these things because they can and they want to. It is always about what you want and can afford to spend. If you cannot or just don't want to. That is fine too. If you have a sli or crossfire setup you aren't really missing out on anything anyhow.

 

[wand3r3r]

Don't even try to explain it to them. Kids don't understand that pricing is not based off some percieved increase in peformance.

They have no idea about supply v percieved demand, R&D costs, costs of materials (remember everyone but AMD pays per die, not working die), plus a profit, plus a profit for their partners (EVGA, etc). Plus there will be a tax for being the best GPU in the world, by far.

I promise you the guy in the suit in the office who has to calculate the launch price is not taking into account percentages over other games currently on the market.

By your logic every refresh should come with an unlimited price tag. Whilst I see your points to an extent, for the most part all of the points are true every generation, and the costs are similar. (minus the whining about others here)

The thread loads pretty slowly is ATF getting overwhelmed by titanics price too?

 

[tviceman]

nvrmnd

 

[f1sherman]

Which one of you REDs is DDoS-ing AT :'(

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Math 101:

Titan stock is 37% faster than an hd7970GE.

Lets say...
7970GE overclocks 25%
Titan overclocks 25%

After overclocking, the hd7970GE is now 1.25x it's original speed. Titan is also 1.25x it's original speed. Therefore Titan extends it's lead over hd7970GE to 46% faster.

HENCE, Titan is less of a failure in similar overclocking scenarios.

AMD ate into the majority of their OC headroom, 25% on a 7970 GHz is highly unlikely, more like 13% before it starts to suck a high amount of juice for little return.

Titan, as I figured it would be. Is more hardware than clock speed, it should overclock extremely well there will be no real comparison.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Math 101:

Titan stock is 37% faster than an hd7970GE.

Lets say...
7970GE overclocks 25%
Titan overclocks 25%

After overclocking, the hd7970GE is now 1.25x it's original speed. Titan is also 1.25x it's original speed. Therefore Titan extends it's lead over hd7970GE to 46% faster.

HENCE, Titan is less of a failure in similar overclocking scenarios.

Sorry, that's not right. If you overclock both cards equally, the ratio between them stays the same. Only the absolute difference increases.

 

[f1sherman]

sure fooled me

Math 101...

 

[njdevilsfan87]

It's really not bad considering that's it clocked 20% lower than GTX 680s (876mhz boost vs 1058mhz). Clock-for-clock Titan should be over 50% faster. A Titan overclocked to 1.2-1.3ghz will be an absolute monster. But getting there might require water cooling.

I'm not upgrading because as of right now because for that price, I don't need the extra power. I can feel the slowdowns here and there at 1440p, but not enough to warrant paying that much. And Skyrim modded... can't remember the last time I played that game.

 

[The Alias]

Can you real quick explain what do you mean by defending NV Titan $900 pricing?

in previous generations halo gpus didn't bring as much bang for the buck as say the midrange but it's ok for the price to performance to drop some as they were halo cards you pay a bit more to have a card of that status . The 7970 was one such card and even though it was bit worse it made up for it with it's amazing ability to overclock and it's ability to PAY for it self over some months . Titan offers only one of those benefits yet the price to performance of last generation's halo cards are literally HALVED . The halo rule no longer applies to Titan becasue it's not a freaking halo card. halo cards have the same or better price to perf than the last gens halo cards NOT HALF

 

[ICDP]

Can you real quick explain what do you mean by defending NV Titan $900 pricing?


Do you honestly believe there is even a single person here who would have anything against... uhmm say $299 price mark for Titan

Don't attempt the strawman argument there please. I didn't say anyone would not love to pay less, but that's not the same as saying the current price is acceptable.

It is utterly ridiculous to warp the argument in the way you are attempting.

 

[SolMiester]

If you can afford and want it more power to you. I am sure if money did grow on trees many people would buy one who say it costs too much.

A Lambo costs too much, a house on Miami beach costs too much, and a steak from certain places costs too much. There are people though who purchase these things because they can and they want to. It is always about what you want and can afford to spend. If you cannot or just don't want to. That is fine too. If you have a sli or crossfire setup you aren't really missing out on anything anyhow.

Sweet post bro!

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I just can't comprehend how people think a 500mm2 chip is going to miraculously generate no heat whatsoever. There is not a snowballs chance in GPU heat producing hell that this thing will OC to the same clock speeds as the gtx680 unless the cooler is some ridiculous marvel of engineering.