GeForce Titan coming end of February

[Olikan]

This is a ridiculous argument. HD 7970 and GTX 680 were not mid range cards by virtue of the fact that for over one year they were the highest end single GPU both AMD and Nvidia could produce. In fact as of this post they still are. They were also priced at the historic high-end price of $500 - $550. Titan offers a similar ~37%-42% performance increase as the GTX 680 and HD 7970 offered over their respective predecessors. Yet it is rumoured to cost $900.

Titan size is a really what we expect from a top end gpus...aka over 450mm²

prices or dificulties are just initial problems from the 28nm...same as 40nm
nvidia didn't wanted another GTX480, they just skiped to an GTX580
AMD lunched 7970Ghz and slept

 

[Haserath]

Nvidia prices Titan at $900 because they can and reasons and AMD Sux Lolzors.:awe:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

If 42% is short of what the increase should have been what about the alleged 37% performance increase of Titan over HD 7970 GE? Don't use the "it's on the same 28nm process", that doesn't help the argument, it hinders it.

Titan should be around 80% faster than the 580. This is what we expect from a full node shrink.

7970 GE and Titan are on the same process node and the same generation of technology.

Was the 580 80% faster than the 6970? I think you're confused by my small words.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Have you seen real consumption numbers? And again this is a particular gpu die, neither this represents Kepler entirely, nor 7970 represents GCN.

Its just from slides alone where the fastest desktop variant based on the GK110 on paper/leaked benches show that given its thermal envelope of 250W, its clearly outpacing a full fledged GCN here (7970 GHz edition) given the speed boost it has. As for real world figures, we'll have to wait obviously. It could well be another GTX480 with ridiculous power consumption under some real world scenarios but for what its worth, it looks pretty good so far.

 

[3DVagabond]

27% revenue from Taiwan is not possible. Not for consumer GeForce products sold in retail. No doubt that chart is fishy.

That's not retail sales. That includes OEM. Which is why China and Taiwan weigh in so heavily. This sku, Titan, and that chart are not equivalent. It will be sold at retail only.

 

[ocre]

wow just wow.

I think all the people who arent interested in getting this card should really stop ruining this thread.

please

 

[BallaTheFeared]

wow just wow.

I think all the people who arent interested in getting this card should really stop ruining this thread.

please

It would be great if we could discuss the technology aspect of such a huge chip, but sadly it's more about defending purchases than anything else at this point.

 

[Lonbjerg]

That's right. Which is why all those people who are saying the price on the Titan is justifiable now because it's the fastest single-GPU card and it can be priced way higher had the exact same viewpoint when AMD raised the prices from $369 of 6970 to $549 on the 7970. Right? :hmm:

The same people who even had AMD cards when HD7970 launched and criticized its price/performance or overall price are pointing out that Titan is even more overpriced. The same people who bashed AMD raising prices to ATI/NV historical levels are now trying to tell us that Titan's price is perfectly fine since it's a flagship/halo card. What I got out of this is NV is excused from delivering great price/performance and are forgiven for raising prices. No double standard, none at all. ^_^ It sounds like there is a large percentage of NV buyers are who are completely price inelastic but these same consumers do not feel the same way when the competitor raises prices. They bash the competitor for being overpriced but defend their preferred brand's high prices, often blaming the competitor for 'allowing' NV to get away with their pricing schemes! Then they try to come up with reasons why high prices are justifiable based on perceived value. Sounds A LOT like Apple consumers to me. I don't know why NV doesn't just raise the price of Maxwell to $1,500. While at it, 14nm dual-GPU GTX890 at $2,000. Just go for it!

Some of you guys are so naive. You think NV focus group members aren't collecting information on your consumer behaviour and gauging what prices the high-end NV consumers would bear? You know what company's Focus Groups are for? So many of you are publicly admitting that you are perfectly fine paying MORE and an NV's Focus Group member is taking notes and reports this back to his bosses. Some of you claim to understand supply vs. demand. You are publicly relinquishing your bargaining power/position by your own admittance that you will bear even higher prices, which results in supply-side of the equation having greater influence over the market. "Jeezus F. Christ."

Wake me up when you find one single where I bitch over prices, perf/watt or any other retard metric besides performance...so stop your whine...we know you don't like the price...fine.

Don't buy one...and move on....unless you are doing for AMD what you calim the focus group is doing for NVIIDA...in that case....you be honest.

Russian: Master of irrelevant fallaices...

 

[3DVagabond]

And away we go.

NOTE* Quad SLI vs TRI SLI

5760x1080

BF3
3 Titans only == 4 680's ~ 25% faster

Crysis 3
3 Titans == 1.8 * 4 680's ~ % faster

Max Payne 3
3 Titans == 2 * 4 680's

Skyrim
3 Titans == 1.3 * 4 680's

Far Cry 3
3 Titans == 1.9 * 4 680's

Borderlands 2
3 Titans = 1.1 * 4 680's

Batman
3 Titans = 1.1 * 4 680's

Based on that it's about 30-60% faster.. What a joke at that price.

What's insane about this is that the 690x2 costs $2000 and the Titanicx3 costs $3000.

In 3 out of 7 there is no tangible benefit!

Those slides have got to be a joke/troll. Even nVidiots wouldn't pay $900 for that. Everyone knows quad GPU doesn't scale worth a sh!t. Although it does coincide with their "85% of a 690" marketing approach we heard earlier. Why not just X% faster than a 680 or 7970?

 

[Haserath]

There just isn't much to discuss technology wise.

We hardly know any design aspects besides shader count and whatnot.

It's a shame that we can't know more.

 

[chimaxi83]

Nvidia team is putting in some serious overtime here

 

[Lonbjerg]

And the red damage control keeps pushing.

Funny how performance HAS to be linked to something "arbitraire"
Be it money, watt or fuzzy-warm feelings.

You should think some posters never have seen the launch of a high-end GPU before....unless they have a different agenda.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Nvidia team is putting in some serious overtime here

Funny, I think the red team is posting more...the fear is strong is this thread.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Nvidia team is putting in some serious overtime here

Oddly there are more "pro amd" posts than anything else... Who is working overtime again?

 

[amenx]

That's right. Which is why all those people who are saying the price on the Titan is justifiable now because it's the fastest single-GPU card and it can be priced way higher had the exact same viewpoint when AMD raised the prices from $369 of 6970 to $549 on the 7970. Right? :hmm:

Silly for anyone to have complained about the 7970's initial pricing. Nvidia have done it too with the 8800gtx and 280/260gtx pricing which were worse than $549 of the 7970. Any product that does not have near immediate competition to contend with should have a higher price. If I was a shareholder I would picket their offices if they didnt maximize profits.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Oddly there are more "pro amd" posts than anything else... Who is working overtime again?

Pro AMD posts or Anti-Ridiculously priced GPU posts?

 

[Tweak155]

I can't believe the price is still being argued. Dear god.

If people are buying it at $900+, then NVidia would be STUPID to charge less. You can always knock the price down if the cards don't move or do some other promotion, but you would have a much harder fight raising the price.

If companies are releasing cards at these at outrageous prices it is because people are paying it. Stop blaming the companies and blame the consumers. Just because someone personally thinks it is an outrageous price doesn't make it an outrageous price. The market is the market.

If no one buys it then you have ground to stand on.

 

[OCGuy]

Floating around today for all of those planning on water:

Was put up by expertreviews then taken down. Also saw it on another site.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Pro AMD posts or Anti-Ridiculously priced GPU posts?

Pro AMD, anyone who doesn't like the price would have moved on like a normal rational person.


AMD lost considerable market share while giving away free cards with free games, so it stands to reasons they'd need to invest in viral marketing in order to help curb their decline.

 

[Black Octagon]

Nearly 1800 posts and still effectively nothing official. Y'all got way too much energy if you ask me.

 

[ams23]

If the Geforce Titan 6GB version is released with an MSRP anywhere close to $849 USD, then that will be a realistic price considering that the HD 7970 GHz Ed. 6GB version sells for $599 USD, and the GTX 680 4GB version sells for $529 USD. The expectation here is that the 6GB Geforce Titan will have close to 40-50% faster performance on average than the 6GB 7970 GHz Ed. and 4GB GTX 680, respectively, and that this increase in performance from Geforce Titan will also be accompanied by an increase in performance per watt too.

Note that in some instances the performance per watt of the 7970 GHz Edition appears to actually decrease when overclocked. For instance, when Anandtech tested the 7970 GHz Edition at stock vs. overclocked operating frequencies using Metro 2033, overclocking resulted in a 9.6% increase in performance(http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6025/47611.png) but a 13.1% increase in load power consumption (http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6025/47618.png). On the other hand, when Anandtech tested the GTX 680 Classified at stock vs. overclocked operating frequencies using Metro 2033, overclocking resulted in a 8.9% increase in performance but only a 4.8% increase in load power consumption. So it will be interesting to see how GTX Titan fares in this area too. Also note that overvolting (as opposed to overclocking) was not very useful on the GTX 680 Classified, since overvolting + overclocking resulted in a very small performance increase vs. overclocking alone. Since the GTX Titan clearly supports overvolting, the assumption is that overvolting will achieve much better results on the GTX Titan than on the GTX 680.

 

[SirPauly]

Mid-range with a higher TDP is still mid-range, it just has a higher TDP.

Imho,

Depends on timing, execution, competition and the market.

The G-71 was a tiny chip but could command enthusiast dollars. nVidia couldn't or planned not to deliver the monolith in volume and based on timing, execution, competition and the market the GK-104 could command enthusiast dollars.

Imho, when AMD raised MSRP prices by 50 percent, nVidia was dancing in their halls in Santa Clara.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Pro AMD, anyone who doesn't like the price would have moved on like a normal rational person.


AMD lost considerable market share while giving away free cards with free games, so it stands to reasons they'd need to invest in viral marketing in order to help curb their decline.

Just curious, what do you think enthusiasts do on an enthusiast forum if they aren't discussing new hardware?

I myself actually enjoy discussions about new hardware, and as an enthusiast a very important topic is price/performance. If I'm to understand correctly people with differing views are supposed to stop contributing to the forums? That makes no sense.

 

[chimaxi83]

Oddly there are more "pro amd" posts than anything else... Who is working overtime again?

Pro AMD, anyone who doesn't like the price would have moved on like a normal rational person.


AMD lost considerable market share while giving away free cards with free games, so it stands to reasons they'd need to invest in viral marketing in order to help curb their decline.

You, for one.

 

[Red Hawk]

I for one don't really care what price "Titan" is, because whatever price would probably be out of my range. I'm just looking forward to reading the reviews and benchmarks and seeing what Nvidia can do with Kepler when they role up their sleeves and make the most powerful chip they can regardless of size or power consumption concerns.