GeForce Titan coming end of February

[n0x1ous]

Yep, I expect Titan to be a better overclocker than the GTX 680 because of that.

I think the rumored clocks are rather conservative too, this one might overclock pretty damn well if we get unlocked voltages. I am excited to see the reviews, this things going to be a beast, I can feel it!

I am cautiously optimistic. The slide showing it only about 10-11 FPS faster than a 680 at crysis 3 was a little concerning......

 

[RussianSensation]

The graph doesn't look off from expectations. Relative to a 7970GE:
47% faster in Crysis 2
35% faster in BF3
43% faster in FC3
23% faster in Hitman

How is that at turd? Of those 4 games, 2 are AMD sponsored, and Titan still manages to average 37% faster than the hd7970GE.

For $900 when HD7970 Ghz is selling for under $400 it's pretty disappointing. That's not even taking into account that 1Ghz 7970s can be found below $400 with 5 free games too. The performance of the Titan is good but its price is outrageous for that level of performance increase based on those leaks.

Gamers don't care if a game is NV/AMD sponsored. They pay $x to get y increase in performance in ABCDE games. FC3 and BF3 are fair benchmarks since GTX680 performs relatively well in them. Why didn't you point out that Crysis 2 is an outlier since it's an NV sponsored game? You either take them all at face value, or you have to look at C2 as an outlier as well leaving us with just BF3 at 35%....This card is making HD7970s look better than ever because they may deliver 70-75% of the performance of the Titan $500 less. For overclockers running dual GTX680 MSI Lightnings or Asus Matrix 7970s, this card will be destroyed if those benchmarks are true, unless it can overclock to 1200mhz.

 

[imaheadcase]

For the price it's a turd in my book.
I'd like the performance but the price is beyond ridiculous.

200% price, and only 20-50% faster.

Those are the highest places, at lower resolutions than eyefinity it'll probably be less of a difference

Not really, you would normally pay $400 for a new card for only %10-20 than previous gens.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Yeah, because nobody will overclock TITAN... 🙄
Oh now i get it: nVidia users don't overclock, so that is the reason why we only compare stock nVidia cards to overclocked AMD cards :hmm:

It's not that nvidia users don't overclock, it's that you may be able to get a $350 dollar GPU within 20% of a $900 GPU. If the gtx680 was faster than the 7970 and had overclock scaling like GCN I would have used it instead of the 7970 in my example. I know there are certain posters that look for hidden meaning in everything that gets posted around here, but that's just silly.

I'm sure Titan will overclock as well, but with nvidia's recent crack down on voltage control I'm pretty skeptical about how well Titan will overclock.

 

[RussianSensation]

Not really, you would normally pay $400 for a new card for only %10-20 than previous gens.

I think you are using the word generations ambiguously here. Normally a next generation flagship NV card delivered 50-60% more performance every new generation and prices stayed in the $499-649 range:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2011/bericht-grafikkarten-evolution/3/

If you are talking about HD5870 -> 6970 or GTX480 -> GTX580, very few people do such upgrades.

Are we comparing stock vs OC cards again? What is it in VC&G with this? It's like a spreading disease...only idiots would do this.

1100mhz HD7970 is $430 available for sale all day. You don't need to overclock anything. We could compare the Titan OC vs. Asus Matrix OC in CF or GTX680 Lightnings OC in SLI.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...70-3gb-matrix-platinum-edition-review-20.html

That EgyptHardware slide shows the Titan beating HD7970GE by 47% in Crysis 2. HD7970 @ 1300mhz makes up 30% of that. How do you think the Titan OC will fair against 2x Asus Matrix 7970 OC to 1300mhz or GTX680 Lightning SLI @ 1350+mhz?

What about Crysis 3 performance against GTX680 in those slides? They show the Titan roughly 30-35% faster than the GTX680 but GTX690 is nearly doubling the 680 in C3's benches. The performance in C3 looks way off in that NV slide.

 

[Fx1]

More news and slides:

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/graphics-cards/1297972/nvidia-gtx-titan-graphics-card-announced

HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

Some people need to EAT HUMBLE PIE NOW!. 😀

I think i called it 20% increase if your lucky looks like i was right!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAH

Excuse me for a 2nd while i laugh so hard for the next 10 minutes. ill be back soon. Make some room for pie.

 

[boxleitnerb]

1100mhz HD7970 is $430 available for sale all day. You don't need to overclock anything. We could compare the Titan OC vs. Asus Matrix OC @ 1300mhz+ in CrossFire or GTX680 Lightnings OC in SLI.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...70-3gb-matrix-platinum-edition-review-20.html

That EgyptHardware slide shows the Titan beating HD7970GE by 47% in Crysis 2. HD7970 @ 1300mhz makes up 30% of that.

I'll give you the 1100 since it is on sale, but anything above that is the usual skewed comparison OC vs stock. And AFR vs single GPU...when has that ever been a valid comparison? Hint: never.

 

[sontin]

So, the same people still comparing oc cards to stock? Wow.
The Asus Matrix 7970 is only 13% faster than a GTX680. In the leak benchmark from the ecypt site TITAN is 54% faster in Crysis 2. Or 36% faster than the Asus Matrix.

 

[RussianSensation]

So, the same people still comparing oc cards to stock? Wow.

No, it's Titan OC vs. Asus Matrix 7970 OC x2 / GTX680 MSI Lightning OC x 2

Based on the benches, the Titan would get smoked unless it can OC to 1200mhz.

The Asus Matrix 7970 is only 13% faster than a GTX680. In the leak benchmark from the ecypt site TITAN is 54% faster in Crysis 2. Or 36% faster than the Asus Matrix.

100 / 68 = 47%, not 54%. That score was the best case scenario on that leak. All other scores showed HD7970GE having 70-81% of the performance of the Titan. If you average 6 of those benchmarks, the Titan is 35% faster than HD7970GE for more than 120% the price increase. Weren't you complaining about HD7970 being such a rip-off for most of last year?

What about Crysis 3 benchmark against the 680 in NV's slide?

 

[wand3r3r]

I'll give you the 1100 since it is on sale, but anything above that is the usual skewed comparison OC vs stock. And AFR vs single GPU...when has that ever been a valid comparison? Hint: never.

Yeah we should compare stock vs stock, max oc vs max oc, avg oc, etc.

However this over-hyped 'halo' card can be compared to every other halo card out there. Matrix, lightnings, 690's, 7990, oced cards, stock cards etc. (obviously not stock vs. oc unless it overclocks pitifully like the gtx 6xxx series.

The only problem I have at this point is the price. The performance looks good in itself, just nothing ground breaking like the $900 price point should be.

So, the same people still comparing oc cards to stock? Wow.
The Asus Matrix 7970 is only 13% faster than a GTX680. In the leak benchmark from the ecypt site TITAN is 54% faster in Crysis 2. Or 36% faster than the Asus Matrix.

36% Faster at 200% the price? Weren't you whining at the HD 7970 introductory price (which I feel was too high, but that's another story)?

 

[JM Popaleetus]

I want some plain Titan vs. 690 benchmarks. The quad vs. tri crap is worthless honestly.

 

[n0x1ous]

Titan probably going to be like $649 US and we are all going to go batsh!t crazy. NV marketing is Voodoo

 

[n0x1ous]

I want some plain Titan vs. 690 benchmarks. The quad vs. tri crap is worthless honestly.

What Country did you get your Zotac 690 from? (I see your in the US)

Thought only EVGA and ASUS in US?

 

[wand3r3r]

Titan probably going to be like $649 US and we are all going to go batsh!t crazy. NV marketing is Voodoo

Yeah that's why I'm hoping our voices get heard. This is a joke at $900, but if it's a 580 replacement at a 580 price that changes the story completely. Perhaps that's why they haven't released the price officially yet, but then again they probably will just charge the $900 because it has the name TITAN(ic).

I want some plain Titan vs. 690 benchmarks. The quad vs. tri crap is worthless honestly.

Agreed, and when the tri costs $3k vs the quad at $2k it's even more obscure. Scaling past 1 card starts to drop etc.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No, it's Titan OC vs. Asus Matrix 7970 OC x2 / GTX680 MSI Lightning OC x 2

Based on the benches, the Titan would get smoked unless it can OC to 1200mhz.



100 / 68 = 47%, not 54%.

47% faster, with voltage control and you have the audacity to mention CF?

1225MHz is a 40% overclock, with voltage control that should be child's play. Many 680s ship from the factory at those clocks, let's start talking about 50%+ overclocks, because I have no reason to believe this card won't be capable of them.

Card is simply amazing, the only problem is price. I can see my problem with this, but I can't see how people who paid $500+ for mid-range performance are upset, because that's exactly what the 7970 is now, a mid-range 28nm product.

 

[RussianSensation]

Unlock --> GPU Max Voltage 😉

Many 680s ship from the factory at those clocks, let's start talking about 50%+ overclocks, because I have no reason to believe this card won't be capable of them.

1300mhz overclock on air from 878mhz? That would be amazing but I don't think that reference cooler could handle it.

I can't see how people who paid $500+ for mid-range performance are upset, because that's exactly what the 7970 is now, a mid-range 28nm product.

The opposite, people with mid-range HD7970 / GTX680 are upset because the only way to upgrade is to either spend $500 more for what appears to be a 40% increase OR if you already have 2 such cards, it's not even a real upgrade, which means you'd have to spend $1,800+ for a real upgrade from dual 680s.

 

[scooterlibby]

Pretty interesting that in one of those marketing pics has a Falcon Northwest Tiki (oh which I've keen on for the next gen). I'm surprised a Titan could fit in it.

 

[imaheadcase]

What Country did you get your Zotac 690 from? (I see your in the US)

Thought only EVGA and ASUS in US?

Nope, Zotac is here as well.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Yeah we should compare stock vs stock, max oc vs max oc, avg oc, etc.

However this over-hyped 'halo' card can be compared to every other halo card out there. Matrix, lightnings, 690's, 7990, oced cards, stock cards etc. (obviously not stock vs. oc unless it overclocks pitifully like the gtx 6xxx series.

The only problem I have at this point is the price. The performance looks good in itself, just nothing ground breaking like the $900 price point should be.

I hate the price myself, don't get me wrong. I'm just for comparisons that make sense. AFR vs single GPU doesn't fall in that category. I know that people would look only at fps, and that is exactly the problem. Titan should be on par with any CF setup regarding "true" framerate and a bit behind the 690 or 680 SLI in that regard. But again, I wouldn't even try to pitch such different setups against each other.
Titan vs 680, 7970 or Titan SLI vs other AFR setups. Everything else is just silly and uninformed.

 

[tviceman]

For $900 when HD7970 Ghz is selling for under $400 it's pretty disappointing.

Did I say it was amazing?

Gamers don't care if a game is NV/AMD sponsored.

Were the hell where you at when Fermi came out and every AMD fanboy on this site (and every other site) was in a 16 month cry fest over TWIMTBP games being used in reviews?

Price/performance champion you may be, but several times in this thread you have demonstrated that your memory incredibly SUCKS insofar as people's attitudes regarding various circumstances which are reversed from here or there.

 

[RussianSensation]

Pretty interesting that in one of those marketing pics has a Falcon Northwest Tiki (oh which I've keen on for the next gen). I'm surprised a Titan could fit in ti.

That's awesome case. There is enough room for a full graphics card.

http://www.falcon-nw.com/sites/default/files/tiki-fully-loaded-hi.jpg

 

[BallaTheFeared]

1300mhz overclock on air from 878mhz? OK let me know how that goes.

Base doesn't matter, excect as a starting TDP standpoint. Since the Titan is already using more power and quieter than the 680, I think it's safe to assume if you aren't scared of air noise the cooler should be capable of decent overclcoks.

Also air? Seriously, this is an enthusiast card... I heard water works good at moving high amounts of heat, but I have no personal experience with this :biggrin:

The opposite, people with mid-range HD7970 / GTX680 are upset because the only way to upgrade is to either spend $500 more OR if you already have 2 such cards, it's not even a real upgrade.

It's a same gen product, no reason to expect miracles... In what generation weren't two mid-range cards faster than the high end part? Enjoy your CF though, lol.

 

[paul878]

When are we going to get the reviews?

 

[n0x1ous]

When are we going to get the reviews?

Sounding like Thursday

 

[RussianSensation]

Were the hell where you at when Fermi came out and every AMD fanboy on this site (and every other site) was in a 16 month cry fest over TWIMTBP games being used in reviews?

Ya and I kept saying that Fermi's DX11 performance is a key advantage that will show up in future games (i.e., tessellation). Once GTX470 launched, I started recommending it over the 5870 instead. It also cost less and overclocked well, had more VRAM, came with great game bundles, etc. I even bought 2 of them. I guess you forgot.

Price/performance champion you may be, but several times in this thread you have demonstrated that your memory incredibly SUCKS insofar as people's attitudes regarding various circumstances which are reversed from here or there.

If you have a problem with other people not being consistent regarding TWIMTPB games, tell them. Why are you telling me? I didn't say during Fermi reviews that we should have discounted games like Batman/Civ5 because HD5870 fell apart with tessellation in it. I was just responding to your post pointing out that 2 of those games were AMD GE titles but then you didn't discount C2 the same way. It makes sense to accept all those scores at face value or only look at BF3 then.

It's a same gen product, no reason to expect miracles... In what generation weren't two mid-range cards faster than the high end part? Enjoy your CF though, lol.

Coming from you Bella who championed how 3 470s crushed HD7970 in everything (or was it even HD7970 in CF?) for 6+ months and getting banned many times over this. This time a $900 price for a card that might be just 40-45% faster than HD7970GE and you barely made a fuss, didn't link ANY benchmarks of HD7970 CF/ GTX680 SLI against the Titan's leaked scores, etc. What happened? It's OK for NV products to fail at price/performance but for AMD's it's not?

Care to comment on that Crysis 3 NV slide score vs. GTX690 here?

When HD5870 came out, it traded blows with HD4870 X2 / GTX295. Since Sept 2009, we went from a $369 flagship card performing as fast as last 2 generation high-end cards to $899 to get the same. Amazing!!