GeForce Titan coming end of February

[VulgarDisplay]

More memory than their predecessors, but still less memory than a modern PC... Or even older than modern PC for that matter.

So by your reasoning we would only be using 256mb of ram on our modern GPU's? That's all the consoles use right?

Since we all know that is not how it works, imagine when that 256mb on consoles is increased to 4gb, what does that do to our needs on the PC?

Consoles will get much higher quality textures with this next generation, and I can forsee even higher quality ones reserved for PC users. We will need that space sooner rather than later.

 

[2is]

So by your reasoning we would only be using 256mb of ram on our modern GPU's? That's all the consoles use right?

Since we all know that is not how it works, imagine when that 256mb on consoles is increased to 4gb, what does that do to our needs on the PC?

Consoles will get much higher quality textures with this next generation, and I can forsee even higher quality ones reserved for PC users. We will need that space sooner rather than later.

That's not my reasoning at all, you're just confused. What I'm saying is the next gen consoles aren't going to be what drives the "need" for more memory. And I use the word "need" very loosely here.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

That's not my reasoning at all, you're just confused. What I'm saying is the next gen consoles aren't going to be what drives the "need" for more memory. And I use the word "need" very loosely here.

How are the consoles not going to drive the needs for more video memory when they will open the door for developers to massively improve texture quality?

Just think about how minuscule the specs of the 360 and ps3 are and consider how much VRAM the PC versions of those games are using on current cards. When the new consoles have 4gb available as opposed to 512mb now it will open new doors in game world design and texture quality that will also balloon the requirements on PC.

This coupled with the increased manufacturing of high PPI displays will push the need for higher amounts of VRAM on GPU's very quickly.

 

[brandon888]

guys can we expect gtx 760 for 200-250$ with GTX 670/680 performance ? :O

 

[Lonbjerg]

Consoles will do the same thing they AWALYS have done...STAGNATE progress due to locked down specs.

 

[Keysplayr]

Whats with all the console jabajaba? Are they putting Titan in any of them?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Whats with all the console jabajaba? Are they putting Titan in any of them?

It's the same thing every time a new consoles comes out.
People get all jizzed up...only to find out that it's still the same locked down system with too little umphf compared to a PC.

 

[2is]

How are the consoles not going to drive the needs for more video memory when they will open the door for developers to massively improve texture quality?

Just think about how minuscule the specs of the 360 and ps3 are and consider how much VRAM the PC versions of those games are using on current cards. When the new consoles have 4gb available as opposed to 512mb now it will open new doors in game world design and texture quality that will also balloon the requirements on PC.

This coupled with the increased manufacturing of high PPI displays will push the need for higher amounts of VRAM on GPU's very quickly.

PS3 and 360 were pretty comparable to a high-end PC at the time of their release. These new consoles are not. There's a difference. Not to mention, PC version of console games get higher res textures. There's nothing to keep developers from going even higher now. All these consoles are going to do is bring them a step closer to looking like their PC counterpart and while we might see some improvement, we are not going to see the improvement that requires 6gb of vram because of underpowered consoles.

Hi PPI displays aren't going to do anything for several reasons.

1) It will be a long while before they become standard
2) These consoles are not going to drive a 4k display. They will simply upconvert like they do now when connected to a 1080p set

 

[rgallant]

Regarding 'obsoletion of hardware' - I don't feel it as much these days. Perhaps I'm not playing the most demanding games, but I bought 580 SLI when it came out with an overclocked 2600K and I feel no need to upgrade at all, playing at 2560x1440.

I love it when people with 460 sli or lesser cards in their sigs call 580's garbage , based on out of date canned benches and never had them , and can only dream of owning 2 current high end cards in what ever generation.

 

[tweakboy]

Wow that is soo expensive,, double the price of a awesome CPU what double triple.....

thats crazy 1k almost for a video card... Come on,,,,,,,, gl

 

[3DVagabond]

How are the consoles not going to drive the needs for more video memory when they will open the door for developers to massively improve texture quality?

Just think about how minuscule the specs of the 360 and ps3 are and consider how much VRAM the PC versions of those games are using on current cards. When the new consoles have 4gb available as opposed to 512mb now it will open new doors in game world design and texture quality that will also balloon the requirements on PC.

This coupled with the increased manufacturing of high PPI displays will push the need for higher amounts of VRAM on GPU's very quickly.

While what you say is possible. I think that all it will mean is that the consoles can now run big textures just as PC's do. Textures only need to be so big. Our monitors aren't getting any bigger.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

PS3 and 360 were pretty comparable to a high-end PC at the time of their release. These new consoles are not. There's a difference. Not to mention, PC version of console games get higher res textures. There's nothing to keep developers from going even higher now. All these consoles are going to do is bring them a step closer to looking like their PC counterpart and while we might see some improvement, we are not going to see the improvement that requires 6gb of vram because of underpowered consoles.

Hi PPI displays aren't going to do anything for several reasons.

1) It will be a long while before they become standard
2) These consoles are not going to drive a 4k display. They will simply upconvert like they do now when connected to a 1080p set

You win?

Guess we'll know in about a year.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

While what you say is possible. I think that all it will mean is that the consoles can now run big textures just as PC's do. Textures only need to be so big. Our monitors aren't getting any bigger.

I'm thinking more textures over larger worlds, and far more variety with the new consoles.

 

[james1701]

You win?

Guess we'll know in about a year.

Kudos for you sir for taking the high road.

 

[Jacky60]

But I'm sure you get 'free' health care. ^_^

Seriously though, how could a video card cost 4k USD ? Or anywhere near that ? Forgive me for being naive, but can't you just have someone from (the US for example) ship it overseas to you ? Or order one from a retailer that ships globally. Where is the massive price increase coming from ?

Europe and certainly the EU is pretty civilised, we don't execute people and we don't deny people health care if they can't afford it. BUT lots of consumer goods are more expensive than in the US and we aren't all as fat as f**k thanks to gargantuan portions of fatty food.

 

[96Firebird]

Europe and certainly the EU is pretty civilised, we don't execute people and we don't deny people health care if they can't afford it. BUT lots of consumer goods are more expensive than in the US and we aren't all as fat as f**k thanks to gargantuan portions of fatty food.

Hey, lets make sweeping generalizations about an entire country! Seems like a smart thing to do...

He mad! :biggrin:

 

[BrightCandle]

Europe and certainly the EU is pretty civilised, we don't execute people and we don't deny people health care if they can't afford it.

Partially true. Healthcare across Europe is becoming more and more privatised in many European states.

BUT lots of consumer goods are more expensive than in the US and we aren't all as fat as f**k thanks to gargantuan portions of fatty food.

Only 40% of them are that big, and Europeans are getting bigger also. Its most likely the carbs not the fat though.

Anyhow back to the Titan card.

I think the new consoles will increase the graphics RAM we'll need. Seems extremely likely that the new consoles will up the average quality. But I also don't expect the console to go that big in VRAM, they tend to be based somewhere around entry level hardware. Today's 2-3 GB is going to be enough to play a console game at the quality of the console, but of course on PC we will probably have higher quality tessellation, potentially even bigger textures and lots more AA. I don't know if that means Titan's VRAM will be useful, I think today's cards will run out of performance before they run out of VRAM if today's latest PC exclusives are anything to go by.

But its also worth noting the higher quality art work costs more. So while we might be looking at the potential for increased texture quality its going to make games even more expensive than they are today. Great studios are going bust because they can't make a profit despite the sheer size of the market place and its success and growth. So maybe we wont see much more than increased resolutions and more detailed games, the better artwork will simply cost too much except for the very best selling games.

 

[dragantoe]

Yup, no doubt about it. For Far Cry 3, a 690 or two 670's is good for pulling about 60fps average....at 1080p. Any less performance than that and you start to suffer at 1080p if you want the game maxed or almost maxed. This Titan card will be a 1080p card for graphics intense games I hate to say. You will infact need two of them for 1440 or 1600p and 2 grand is reaching pretty far for a GPU setup.
I'm not saying it just cause I have them, but at this point (if you like nvidia) I still say two 670's will be the better option and will be about the same price as this Titan card. Paying 2 grand for cards only to see them equalled in a year or so by cards costing half as much really hurts if you don't have money coming out of your ears, or no brains in between them. If you got cash to burn, then hell, grab three of them.

I have a single hd 7870 and it plays far cry 3 1080p at high 50's for fps. even though the aa is only at x2

 

[Annisman*]

Europe and certainly the EU is pretty civilised, we don't execute people and we don't deny people health care if they can't afford it. BUT lots of consumer goods are more expensive than in the US and we aren't all as fat as f**k thanks to gargantuan portions of fatty food.

If some guy rapes your kid and kills your wife, tell me how civilized it is to give him 3 square meals a day until he dies peacefully in a jail cell paid for by your already high taxes 60 years later.

And as someone already said, it's the carbs. Lay off my fat bro, it's not the culprit.

 

[tonyjones]

Rumors are titan will come with 8GB VRAM!

 

[boxleitnerb]

Lol, definitely not true. 4GB would be completely sufficient.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Partially true. Healthcare across Europe is becoming more and more privatised in many European states.



Only 40% of them are that big, and Europeans are getting bigger also. Its most likely the carbs not the fat though.

Anyhow back to the Titan card.

I think the new consoles will increase the graphics RAM we'll need. Seems extremely likely that the new consoles will up the average quality. But I also don't expect the console to go that big in VRAM, they tend to be based somewhere around entry level hardware. Today's 2-3 GB is going to be enough to play a console game at the quality of the console, but of course on PC we will probably have higher quality tessellation, potentially even bigger textures and lots more AA. I don't know if that means Titan's VRAM will be useful, I think today's cards will run out of performance before they run out of VRAM if today's latest PC exclusives are anything to go by.

But its also worth noting the higher quality art work costs more. So while we might be looking at the potential for increased texture quality its going to make games even more expensive than they are today. Great studios are going bust because they can't make a profit despite the sheer size of the market place and its success and growth. So maybe we wont see much more than increased resolutions and more detailed games, the better artwork will simply cost too much except for the very best selling games.

I think that's why so many of the newer revisions of the AAA engines are coming with ways to make the development process far faster and easier. The engine's ability to take over menial programming tasks from an actual developer will drastically cut back on the time and work involved in putting out a complete game. These savings can be put into artwork and other aspects of the game.

 

[BrightCandle]

I think that's why so many of the newer revisions of the AAA engines are coming with ways to make the development process far faster and easier. The engine's ability to take over menial programming tasks from an actual developer will drastically cut back on the time and work involved in putting out a complete game. These savings can be put into artwork and other aspects of the game.

As far as I can tell the programming of a game is now a pretty minor cost in the whole scheme of things. The artists are exploding in numbers to make the assets and the number of programmers isn't really changing. Using a well known engine is far more common today than it was 10 years ago. So improvements there are in full swing but not helping much, its the artwork that needs to get less expensive for visual quality to keep increasing. The closer we get to photorealism the worse its going to get.

We'll certainly be wanting that VRAM at some point but like all previous generations of cards I doubt the higher VRAM card will prove useful in its normal lifetime, and by the time we need it we will have cards that provide it and they will be so much faster than the Titan that it wont be able to utilise it.

 

[n0x1ous]

If some guy rapes your kid and kills your wife, tell me how civilized it is to give him 3 square meals a day until he dies peacefully in a jail cell paid for by your already high taxes 60 years later.

And as someone already said, it's the carbs. Lay off my fat bro, it's not the culprit.

+1:thumbsup:

 

[Ajay]

Rumors are titan will come with 8GB VRAM!

Maybe 6 GB if Nvidia goes full boat on it (since it is a high-end card), but I would think 3 GB would be sufficient. It all comes down to price point and profits, so we'll all have to just wait and see. I don't know what the extrapolated retail price is for 3 GB of 6 GHz GDDR5.