I can understand the pricetag from a performance perspective, by all accounts the performance will be unprecedented;
Massive gap could easily be filled by releasing cut down versions ala K20/K20x.
But it's not like it will be huge seller anyway, so why even bother
What's currently filling this massive gap between 680 and 690?
What I'd want to know is... Are they doing this on purpose - creating new Ultra-high-end, or have they been forced by 28nm woes.
Most likely combination of both.
While that would make sense, right now everyone is talking about a single card that isn't even a xxx moniker just "titan".
0.89% of steam users have 680s
690 doesn't even return a hit.
1.20% have 670s... So there is almost no market for a $1000 card, a decent one for $500 or less cards... According to steam more people have 670 and 680s than people have 660's and 660 Ti's...
Perhaps Nvidia means to rectifie this problem of limited interest and low adoption rates compared to Fermi, which has more 560 Ti's than all the 660, 660ti, and 680 combined according to steam. :hmm:
While that would make sense, right now everyone is talking about a single card that isn't even a xxx moniker just "titan".
0.89% of steam users have 680s
690 doesn't even return a hit.
nVidia is not seeing a reason to put GK110 into the $500 land when AMD is not really a competition.
There are two reason nVidia is forced to lower the price:
AMD is putting something out which is 15% slower and cost only half the price or
AMD is lowering the prices of the existing cards in a huge way.
Until then nVidia is using the time to sell a 296mm^2 chip for over $400 instead of $200
I've seen 2304 for the GK110, but not for the GK104. I think 1536 was the only number for the GK104 I saw associated with the no hot clock rumors.I thought GK104's shader physical specs were nailed down well in advance of it's release, though. I don't remember 2304 cores being thrown around.
I beilve
1.No multi gpu issues
2.Less power draw
3.More vram and possibly better dp performance
There's an expanded section for Steam's hardware survey that returns more results: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/ It indicates that 0.18% of people with a DX10 or 11 card have a GTX 690.
GOOD GRIEF, nobody is asking nvidia to put the GK110 in 500$ land Please point to a post of someone suggesting that,
I don't think number 1 is an issue, but that may be subjective; I certainly did not see MS on the 690 in my brief ownership and I haven't seen complaints about it. Regardless, if I concede that argument for the time being -- let's say nvidia does 1-3 for the same price as the 690. Will the 690 go down in price?
Basically, i'm just thinking of the price and performance differential between the GTX 690 and Titan. One should affect the other, I believe.
OK, you brought it up, so lets not go into how (in)accurate is Steam.
Now look again DirectX 10/11 for January 2013.
GTX 680 = 1.46%
GTX 670 = 1.96
GTX 690 = 0.18
690 vs 670 ~ 1 : 10
Wanna bet that 680 volume profit on that chart easily dwarfs and other chip?
So much for high-end being not very profitable niche...
However, we managed to learn that Amazon, one of leading if not the leading provider of online services made its bed and decided to go with Nvidia, ordering around 10,000 boards for their Elastic Computer Cloud (EC2). More precisely, for the "HPC on Amazon EC2". If our sources got their facts straight, the Amazon negotiated quite the deal for the company, but don’t worry - Nvidia is far from being unhappy with the deal. One of probable reasons why Kepler GPU (GK104) and especially GTX 690 are in the short supply could be in the order of this size. Amazon did not care about performance with double precision data, keeping in line that they want as much single precision compute power as possible. The selected GPGPU board is none other than Tesla K10, which pairs two GK104 GPUs with 8GB of GDDR5 memory (4GB per chip). One interesting note is that Amazon's boards look a bit different from the official picture, which we show below
Furthermore, Amazon also seeks Double Precision performance for specific set of users that insist on such features, bringing the Tesla K20 6GB into the fold. The K20 comes at a much lower starting price of $3199, but we were told that the allocation is already sold out and that Amazon cannot get a much better deal. In fact, some of the volume deals were even signed close to MSRP - such is the demand.
Naturally, the success of GK104 die in the HPC space and the limited supply from TSMC have another consequence - potential shortage in the consumer segment.
I don't see the difference, the lastest shows the 680 at 1.57% with a .1% increase over last time. I was using overall, not just DX11/10 numbers.
There is no question per sale GK104 is probably their best gpu ever, the question I have is if they're happy with these numbers... Overall Kepler did not sell that well, so while their per sale is higher their total sales seem to be lower. The only possible way to address that really is to return things to normal, bring in GK110 at $550, then a cut version for $370-400, followed by a GK114 refresh into mainstream, better perf than GK104, way better pricing...
I'm not a business man though, but I can't help but think Nvidia isn't happy with the adoption rate of Kepler. Or people like me calling it mid-range for the past year :whiste:
I swear if I bought one of these my wife would divorce me.
The 7900GTX was botched and the 7970 got a new architecture and a new process.
So not really the same.
Maybe the 690 will be discontinued.
Why?
Because now they are selling a 296mm^2 chip with 8 memory chips and much cheaper PCB for $499.