GeForce RTX 2060/2070/2080 Super Reviews

[FedericoUY]

Nice pricing on this new models..

 

[Stuka87]

2080 Super reviews are out for anybody interested. Power consumption jumped by 30-50W depending on the game. Its roughly 5-7% faster than the old RTX 2080. Price is the same as the 2080 is EOL.

 

[linkgoron]

2080S is easily the worst refresh between the 2060S, 2070S and 2080S. 5%-7% faster than the 2080 depending on resolution according to TPU, and computerbase places it at 4%-5% better. In addition, perf/watt is actually 5% worse than the 2080. Too bad this wasn't a cut down TU102.

 

[mopardude87]

One of the best reviews ever for the 2080 Super. At the end of the day i guess i did alright jumping on a $429 Asus Strix 2070 over saving up for the 2080 Super. The 1080ti users at the end of the day are the ultimate winners. I love Steves reaction in the review its priceless.

 

[tajoh111]

The problem with the RTX 2080 series in general is memory bandwidth and the components tied to the memory subsystem. There is too much power to be fed by a 256bit/64 rops. Where in the RTX 2070 series it is just sufficient, for this series it is not.

If Nvidia intents to charge high prices next generation, I hope they give consumers a 384 bit bus for the GX104 series and 512bit buses for the GX102 series.

Considering pricing levels at this point, if Nvidia wants to maintain this, they have to bump up performance and performance potential up a tier.

In other words, all their stack needs to be moved up a tier.

I think it would be far more acceptable for 699/799 pricing if we were getting a 400ish mm2, 384 bit GX104. (or GX103 better yet so the forums are not so outraged). Something with say 60-70% better performance than the RTX 2080 super. I think Nvidia had the right idea of separating the xx70 and xx80 series on different dies since there is a significant cost difference between the two.

I feel Nvidia will struggle with such an improvement considering the die size of GU104 and what will be a maximum 580 Gb/sec.

With AMD catching up to Nvidia with IPC, Nvidia needs to increase their die size and not be conservative particularly if they intend to keep RTX.

 

[jpiniero]

With AMD catching up to Nvidia with IPC, Nvidia needs to increase their die size and not be conservative particularly if they intend to keep RTX.

Given that both next gen consoles seem to have HW RT, RTX is obviously staying, and if anything AMD and even Intel will have to add their own HW acceleration. And they will.

 

[guachi]

2080 Super is so overpriced that if it had the same price/performance as the 5700XT it'd cost $510 instead of $700. That's a $190 Nvidia tax.

At least it's not as bad as the 2080Ti. It would need to cost $605 to have the same price/performance as the 5700XT. That's a $595 Nvidia tax.

The 2070 Super is $60 overpriced. The 2060 Super is $31 overpriced. And the 2060 is $23 overpriced.

The 2080 Super and 2080Ti are ripoffs. Don't buy them.

EDIT: The above is from 13 games tested at Hardware Unboxed at 4k, which is actually better for the Nvidia cards than at 1440.

Six games tested at Paul's Hardware. Here's how overpriced the Nvidia cards are in performance/dollar compared to a 5700XT

4k
2080Ti $602
2080S $219
2070S $72

1440
2080Ti $645
2080S $230
2070S $82

That's a hefty Nvidia tax to pay.

 

[guachi]

Using Anandtech test data, this is how overpriced the Nvidia cards are compared to a 5700XT:

4k
2080Ti $612
2080S $202
2070S $61

1440
2080Ti $657
2080S $235
2070S $82

The 5700XT is a great 1440 card and a decent 4k card at high (not very high/ultra) settings. The Nvidia cards are just big ripoffs. At 1440 the 2080Ti is 36% more performance for 200% more dollars. What a joke.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I feel Nvidia will struggle with such an improvement considering the die size of GU104 and what will be a maximum 580 Gb/sec.

With AMD catching up to Nvidia with IPC, Nvidia needs to increase their die size and not be conservative particularly if they intend to keep RTX.

They don't need a 384-bit bus.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...s/msi-rtx-2080-super-gaming-x-trio-review/19/

18% memory boost with with 3% core boost ends up getting 5% performance improvement. Sure it benefits from it(its a GPU), but nowhere near bound as you think.

And RTX is here to stay. Both consoles are supporting it, and numerous titles next year will support it. Perhaps the Turing generation is a bad generation to get, but the one coming next year might make sense.

 

[SeattleScreamer]

I don't understand these posts. If you buy a 5700XT you performance won't be as good as a 2070 Super, 2080 Super, or 2080 Ti.

If you want spend less money buy the 5700 XT, if you want performance buy the NVIDIA cards. The "overpriced" discussion is nonsense.

 

[railven]

And RTX is here to stay. Both consoles are supporting it, and numerous titles next year will support it. Perhaps the Turing generation is a bad generation to get, but the one coming next year might make sense.

Definitely feels like being an early adopter tax is abnormally higher than usual.

Hoping to see what more games come out with RTX/DXR. NV should have had their partner's titles lined up to hit buyers with some marketing. Not what they're doing now.

With both consoles supporting some type of Ray Tracing, definitely going to be interesting to see how AMD tackles this. I wouldn't put it pass NV to use their connections/partners to start messing around with customary options.

 

[mohit9206]

I don't understand these posts. If you buy a 5700XT you performance won't be as good as a 2070 Super, 2080 Super, or 2080 Ti.

If you want spend less money buy the 5700 XT, if you want performance buy the NVIDIA cards. The "overpriced" discussion is nonsense.

But the fact is that it is overpriced. That's not up for debate. 2080S is 17% faster than 5700XT for 75% more. It should have been $599 instead of $699 then it would actually be a meaningful product.

 

[IntelUser2000]

But the fact is that it is overpriced. That's not up for debate. 2080S is 17% faster than 5700XT for 75% more. It should have been $599 instead of $699 then it would actually be a meaningful product.

Higher end products have an exponentially higher price premium, especially those that have brand power.

That's true with everything. That last % you want is the most expensive. The people selling the products know this.

 

[AtenRa]

And RTX is here to stay. Both consoles are supporting it

You mean Ray Tracing is supported by the next consoles, RTX is NVIDIA only.

 

[IntelUser2000]

You mean Ray Tracing is supported by the next consoles, RTX is NVIDIA only.

A bit of a nitpick, but you understood.

Yes to both. RTX will stay and so will ray tracing.

 

[guachi]

If you want spend less money buy the 5700 XT, if you want performance buy the NVIDIA cards. The "overpriced" discussion is nonsense.

Exactly the kind of customer Nvidia is counting on! Why not just jack the price another $100? The 2080Ti is about 50% more performance at 4k for 200% more money. It's not like it's some car or bicycle that uses exotic materials to squeeze out extra performance and lower weight.

Is there any price that you would label "too high" for the 2070S, 2080S, and 2080Ti?

 

[SeattleScreamer]

Again, I don't understand this fascination with the price. It is like you just assume everyone wants to run at lower resolutions, frame rates, and quality settings. If you want the best performance, you are paying a premium.

Clearly there is a price, just look at this survey:

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

The number of people paying for 2080 and 2080 Ti is tiny.

If you are asking me, personally, what price is too high, well I didn't buy a 2080 Ti!

 

[Ottonomous]

Again, I don't understand this fascination with the price. It is like you just assume everyone wants to run at lower resolutions, frame rates, and quality settings. If you want the best performance, you are paying a premium.

Clearly there is a price, just look at this survey:

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

The number of people paying for 2080 and 2080 Ti is tiny.

If you are asking me, personally, what price is too high, well I didn't buy a 2080 Ti!

How about new performance levels at similar price points? That's the point of contention here. And before you accuse me of AMD fanboyism, they're benefiting from the new price points themselves. The 7nm wafers aren't cheap and Navi might've not been possible at the previous price points (250-300)

What would be your opinion of nvidia just introducing the 3000 series at new price points while retaining the 2000 series at the current prices? Why not learn from mainstream processors eliminating expensive HEDT options (3900X/2920X, 9900X/6950X)?

 

[Dribble]

Exactly the kind of customer Nvidia is counting on! Why not just jack the price another $100? The 2080Ti is about 50% more performance at 4k for 200% more money. It's not like it's some car or bicycle that uses exotic materials to squeeze out extra performance and lower weight.

Is there any price that you would label "too high" for the 2070S, 2080S, and 2080Ti?

Why buy an overpriced 5700XT when you could get an RX 570 for 1/3 of the price? That still plays all the modern games at 1080p fine. Silly argument isn't it - the more you spend the less improvement you get - look at the car market.

 

[Ottonomous]

Why buy an overpriced 5700XT when you could get an RX 570 for 1/3 of the price? That still plays all the modern games at 1080p fine. Silly argument isn't it - the more you spend the less improvement you get - look at the car market.

How long will 1080p be the basic benchmark? Will 1440p ever replace it at similar prices? At least vehicles can introduce higher-tier performance at far lower price points, like the ZR-1, R35, GT500. With this current outlook of 'pay for higher performance' there's no concept of price/perf improvement, every incremental piece of performance will warrant a new pricing category.

People are just justifying the price hikes with mainstream GPUs, which they themselves are seeing the same jumps. It makes no sense.

 

[guachi]

Again, I don't understand this fascination with the price. It is like you just assume everyone wants to run at lower resolutions, frame rates, and quality settings. If you want the best performance, you are paying a premium.

Clearly there is a price, just look at this survey:

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

The number of people paying for 2080 and 2080 Ti is tiny.

If you are asking me, personally, what price is too high, well I didn't buy a 2080 Ti!

You outright said that if you want the performance you will pay the price. But you didn't pay the price, which tells me you don't want the performance - not that the card is too expensive.

 

[amenx]

The 2060S looks like a mistake. It shouldnt exist at its price point. It underperforms the 5700XT while being at same price.

 

[guachi]

Why buy an overpriced 5700XT when you could get an RX 570 for 1/3 of the price? That still plays all the modern games at 1080p fine. Silly argument isn't it - the more you spend the less improvement you get - look at the car market.

First, when looking at a card you need to see if its performance is even acceptable at whatever resolution and refresh rate you game at. It's why I mentioned that the 5700XT was great at 1440 and good at 4k. If the 5700XT was terrible at 4k it wouldn't matter what its price/performance was, it wouldn't be worth buying.

The 570 is an amazing card. I have the rough equivalent in a 480 and it is, in fact, a dynamite 1080 card.

Compared to the dirt cheap 570 (using TPU numbers) the 5700XT is $100 overpriced at 4k fps/$. This actually isn't that bad considering how cheap the 570 is.You get 130% more performance for 210% more cost. That's a lot better than the 50% better performance for 200% more cost comparing the 2080Ti and the 5700XT at 4k (where the 5700XT is relatively weakest).

However, the 570 isn't really very good at 4k (or even 1440) so it doesn't really matter if it is better fps/$. I have a 4k monitor and most modern games are a big "no" in 4k on the 480. Because the 5700XT is actually a good (4k) or great (1440) card, the fps/$ argument is actually relevant.

If we were talking about 1080, I'd tell people (and have told them) to buy a 570 as it's an amazing value, especially if the are gaming at 1080/60. The only way I'd suggest a 5700XT is if they were getting a new AMD set up and could get $100 back from Microcenter by buying a Ryzen 3000, mobo, and Navi card. In my mind, the Ryzen is already a worthwhile buy at MSRP so the $100 back comes off the 5700XT. And a 5700XT at $300 is just as good in the price to performance as a $130 570 is. No absurd Nvidia markup.

 

[Mopetar]

I've updated the OP with review links. Let me know if there are any others that you think should be included and I'll put them in there.

 

[railven]

Using Anandtech test data, this is how overpriced the Nvidia cards are compared to a 5700XT:

4k
2080Ti $612
2080S $202
2070S $61

1440
2080Ti $657
2080S $235
2070S $82

The 5700XT is a great 1440 card and a decent 4k card at high (not very high/ultra) settings. The Nvidia cards are just big ripoffs. At 1440 the 2080Ti is 36% more performance for 200% more dollars. What a joke.

Why aren't you including the Radeon 7 in these numbers? You'd reach the same conclusion, but suddenly it isn't just exclusively an "Nvidia Tax" anymore.

With both size squeezing us, we got more options! Poorly priced options, but options! Now you can openly choose your "what a joke" product in Green or Red flavor! It's good to have competition back!