Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

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Erenhardt

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470 are running 25-27MHs.
Mining cryptos is not loading textures to memory - it uses GPU core. To have the same throughput as a wide core, you need to up the clocks which will hit your efficiency.

Anyway, it is nice nv users can get some of those sweet cryptos to offset some gouging from nv. As a dedicated mining cards, its not as good.
 
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I might agree with that except for the RX470. Hard for me to accept that it would ever be a better buy than the GTX 1060 3GB at prices we've been seeing. For the price I don't really understand recommending either.

At the same price, the 470 will allow you to play more than just MOBAs and increasingly diminished-performing games merely one year out, which is all the 3gb 1060 will allow a buyer to do.

I think the decision is obvious. But people should actually go by historical precedent and real, quantifiable trends to make these decisions. Assuming that 3gb "will be enough" and that nVidia will continue to support their GPU for more than a year and maintain performance with the same class AMD card requires the consumer to adopt a profound level of blissful ignorance. Or, they just want to keep spending $200, 250, 300 every year (because that premium has been increasing, too) to increase performance by ~%5-10 in that same performance class.. This, of course is perfectly fine behavior for the consumer that simply wants to pay 200-300% more every year to maintain performance in the nVidia sphere.
 
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470 are running 25-27MHs.
Mining cryptos is not loading textures to memory - it uses GPU core. To have the same throughput as a wide core, you need to up the clocks which will hit your efficiency.

25-27MH/s are 8GB with higher clocked memory and OC or 470s with heavily modded bioses, not many people are willing to risk bricking their cards and 22MH/s 1750Mhz is max for 4GB after that the memory timings go up and hashrates go down.
Haven't seen GPU cores lowering hashrates, on the mem bandwidth dependant algos as ethereum's you can usually underclock them, however on the other algos after gpu OC you should still be able to get better hashrates and efficiency on Pascal over Polaris.
 
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Erenhardt

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Every 470 after adjusting clocks hit 25+Mh/s. No bios mods. Don't know where you took it from. Any links?
Go read eth mining thread.
 

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Every 470 after adjusting clocks hit 25+Mh/s. No bios mods. Don't know where you took it from. Any links?
Go read eth mining thread.
How every 470? There are many with different memories and frequencies 4GB and 8GB. Deffinitely not every 470 can hit 25+MH/s just by adjusting clocks.

edit: I mean it was obvious that you went off to eth forums and came back with the highest number you've seen, so it's kind of funny that you would see me off to do the same assuming that I also knew nothing about this matter.
 
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The 3GB is DOA, but 4GB isn't. Handles 1080p @ Ultra.

470 4GB is $200, 8GB is $240
480 and 1060 (Single Fan) are $250
1060 dual fan is $330 ($315 AR)

Good try, but TPU was not using any kind of AA mode, with MSAA it goes over 4GB VRAM, TAA seems more vram friendly but with MSAA going over 4GB it will be suprising if there is not shuttering with TAA with 4GB. http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Deus-.../Specials/Benchmarks-Test-DirectX-12-1204575/ They said it on the article, they are not using AA either on the results.
And dont tell me that 1080P dont need AA, thats BS.

Also you are now measuring the number of FANs on the card to give a price? WTH, ill not waste my time with you anymore.
 

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Every 470 after adjusting clocks hit 25+Mh/s. No bios mods. Don't know where you took it from. Any links?
Go read eth mining thread.

That's only true of the 8 GB models. The 4 GB models with slower memory are bandwidth starved and won't break 22 MH/s. Overclocking the memory only lowers the hashrate. This is from first hand experience. On the bright side, you can lower the gpu clock to < 900 MHz and the voltage to the lower limit of 800 mV and use only 60 W (gpuz reported) when dual mining and just above 50 if only mining eth.
 

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measuring the number of FANs on the card to give a price

Yes, because it has to deal with how cool the card will run and also noise. If the card can't run at full speed after 20 minutes of gaming because the fan can't keep up with the heat, it won't run as good as a dual fan version. There is a reason that GPU makers don't use a single fan for every card.
 

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Wow you should really try reading the articles you post. Those issues have nothing to do with the game itself and all of the fixes are to fix windows issues.

I mean its seriously a copy/paste from a generic "fix broken PC problems" article.

  • Update your Nvidia and AMD drivers to the latest versions.
  • If your Day One DLC is getting downloaded in the background, try unchecking it from Steam or let it download completely. Both ways your game will run just fine.
  • Download Stuck at a certain percentage: Try changing your original location to somewhere else using a VPN. You can revert back after the download is finished.
  • Disable antivirus/firewall or add game to the exception list of the antivirus software.
  • ‘Verify Integrity of Game Cache on Steam’ which may fix any errors due to game files corruption.
  • Disable all recording softwares like Fraps, MSI AfterBurner, D3DGear etc. They may conflict with your DirectX Direct3D settings resulting in a crash.
  • If your game is crashing while going full screen, try playing in windowed mode.
  • Black screen issue- Well this issue can be due to lot of reasons. First of all, you should check that the in-game resolution matches the resolution supported by your display device so that there should not be any conflict. If you are using HDMI, try unplugging the HDMI cable from TV and launch the game. Wait a few mins before replugging the HDMI cable back into the TV.
  • Registry clean using CCleaner can also fix some of the crashes. You can download CCleaner from here.
  • For any DLL error or APPCRASH issue, it is recommended to do a clean install of Directx. Or, you can download the missing DLLs from here and paste them in the game directory.
 
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Where are all the 3GB GTX1060 reviews?

Outside of the Guru3D one, it's almost like no one wants to test them.

Very strange.
 

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Wow you should really try reading the articles you post. Those issues have nothing to do with the game itself and all of the fixes are to fix windows issues.

This game is a mess on PC right now, you don't need to start damage control just because it's a Gaming Evolved title.

Technical problems such as frame rate drops, mid-high tier systems struggling to perform on lowered settings, and disabled mouse acceleration options are but a few of the complications some players have cited on Steam and Reddit. Furthermore, confusion regarding misleading information on the game's pre-order/Day One Edition DLC has also upset a chunk of the game’s player base.

The PC version of Deus Ex: Mankind went live on Steam some 16 hours ago for players all across the world. Since then, there have been reports of poor performance, crashes, and other PC-specific issues such as mouse acceleration.

For its part, developer Eidos Montreal acknowledged some of of them in a newforum post. Apart from performance optimisation problems, the biggest hurdles right now are the various crashes players are running into.

http://www.pcgamer.com/deus-ex-mank...sh-over-pre-order-bonuses-devs-working-on-fix
https://www.vg247.com/2016/08/24/cr...rrent-deus-ex-mankind-divided-pc-known-issues
http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/24/12622774/deus-ex-pc-mess
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/de...n-pc-preord/1100-6442945/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
 
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as always you are going to be eager to spread any negative news of a AMD Gaming Evolved title. anyway there is a patch already which addresses few of the stability issues

http://techreport.com/news/30566/first-deus-ex-mankind-divided-patch-focuses-on-crash-fixes
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-first-deus-ex-mankind-divided-patch-addresses-critical-issues/
https://www.vg247.com/2016/08/24/fi...-addresses-crashing-and-mouse-invert-setting/

The game is thoroughly enjoyable and well reviewed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...-divided-is-a-true-deus-ex-game/#350bda9973d6

http://www.techspot.com/review/1234-deus-ex-mankind-divided/

so inspite of whatever issues there are now and notwithstanding the patch already released there will be further patches which should address all issues. This is a game which will surely be making it to the game test suites of most sites within the next few months.
 

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The issue for the 1060 is that it's actually 0/2 in 2 highly rated/regarded popular games: DE:MD and Doom. NMS ended up being just another different looking survival game and will be remembered more for what it isn't based on what it was promised to be.

CIV 5 favoured AMD, which suggests CIV 6 + DX12 could also favour RX 480. Star Wars Battlefront also ran better on AMD with R9 390 easily beating the 970, which suggests BF1 + DX12 could also favour RX 480. If this falls according to AMD's plan, RX 480 will be 4/4 in the biggest anticipated PC games of 2016. At that point, the great DX11 performance of 1060 won't be enough to recommend it. In fact, for anyone who has the desire to learn mining, the 1060 is already dead as every passing day the RX 480 is making $, paying for itself, while kicking 1060's butt in the latest AAA games. We are also starting to see the "Keplerization" effect creeping up on 970/980, which is now the 3rd consecutive NV generation of cards that's ageing quickly.

I keep seeing Civ 6 DX12 being played around a lot.

Have you guys actually seen the graphics of that game? It should run fine on Intel's HD graphics. IMO, going by visuals it should be much less demanding than Civ 5 or Civ BE.
 

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This game is a mess on PC right now, you don't need to start damage control just because it's a Gaming Evolved title.

Again, try reading the articles you are posting. Its a "mess" because people are having performance issues when trying to run it maxed out with low end cards? Turning off the advanced shadows and lightning techniques boosts FPS by a lot for everyone. Ta da game is fixed.

However you bring up an actual broken mess of a game of No Man's Sky and try to tout it as amazing is truly baffling.

FYI, Review scores aren't like Golf, you aren't trying to get a low number.

82: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided

64: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/no-mans-sky
 

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Deus Ex is one of the most beloved game franchises in PC gaming and yet the steam page has "mixed" reviews right now. That should be enough to tell you that this has not been a good launch.

Sent from my HTC One M9
 
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Deus Ex is one of the most beloved game franchises in PC gaming and yet the steam page has "mixed" reviews right now. That should be enough to tell you that this has not been a good launch.

Sent from my HTC One M9

And read the actual reviews. Most are complaining about microtransactions not the game itself.
 

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Be careful, when you call people on their hypocrisy it usually ends to getting moderated for "personal attacks". Double standards around here are crazy.


Mod callouts are not allowed.
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Yes, because it has to deal with how cool the card will run and also noise. If the card can't run at full speed after 20 minutes of gaming because the fan can't keep up with the heat, it won't run as good as a dual fan version. There is a reason that GPU makers don't use a single fan for every card.

So you have any proof to back that one out? Because i picked the lower prices avalible for each model, you went ahead and picked one of the more expensive and senceless one just because you dont like it and made up excuses for it. There are +$300 RX480 as well, you may have not noticed.
 
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So you have any proof to back that one out? Because i picked the lower prices avalible for each model, you went ahead and picked one of the more expensive and senceless one just because you dont like it and made up excuses for it. There are +$300 RX480 as well, you may have not noticed.

Probably a good chance he noticed and he would have done well to include them.
 

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PCLab compares 7 GTX 1060s

Overall performance at stock:

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Overclock performance:

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Power Consumption:

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http://pclab.pl/art70946.html


Yet, you were happy to post No Man's Sky day 1 benchmarks even though people have said that it's a broken mess.

Just checking Steam reviews here, Deus EX is still broken after your post. Feel free to ignore them and move the goalpost to No Man Sky again (which has its faults too).

Ps: +1 for mods.
 
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Erenhardt

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If you discard dx11/ogl results for dx12/vulkan games (why would they even include inferior results?) reference throttling rx 480 scored 95.8%. The performance advantage for 1060 seem to melt every week now.
Also, strange the power numbers are very close to 480. The advantage here seems to get also smaller. Maybe those rx480's are just breaking in, and consumption goes down with time ;)
 

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If you discard dx11/ogl results for dx12/vulkan games (why would they even include inferior results?) reference throttling rx 480 scored 95.8%. The performance advantage for 1060 seem to melt every week now.
Also, strange the power numbers are very close to 480. The advantage here seems to get also smaller. Maybe those rx480's are just breaking in, and consumption goes down with time ;)

Key word, "seems". Its likely that over time, cherry picked benches are actually adopted by those searching for them, to be the standard. It even has you thinking an RX480 uses less power as it breaks in over time. That is interesting. And even if it was tongue in cheek or sarcasm, you are still committing this FUD to permanent search engine fodder. Then someone down the road will quote said fodder and call it fact.
I just wish everyone would just stop all this pointlessness and keep the discussions real and talk about the tech instead of their favorite companies. I have my bias, of course. All of us do. But I do try to keep things as real as I can.
 
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If you discard dx11/ogl results for dx12/vulkan games (why would they even include inferior results?) reference throttling rx 480 scored 95.8%. The performance advantage for 1060 seem to melt every week now.
Also, strange the power numbers are very close to 480. The advantage here seems to get also smaller. Maybe those rx480's are just breaking in, and consumption goes down with time ;)

It's worth noting that you shouldn't discard all of the DX11/OGL results for DOOM and Hitman, since the 1060 is actually faster in DX11 in Hitman. So in other words you should discard the DX11/OGL results for the 480, and the DX12/OGL results for the 1060.

Furthermore PCLab is testing multiple scenes in several of their games (Crysis, GTA V and Witcher 3), which is in and of itself a good idea since it gives you a better idea of the average performance across the game, however they are counting the results separately when they calculate their average performance, thus given those games twice the weight of a game which is only included once (and if you throw away the results for the slower API in DOOM and Hitman those games will only be included once). The correct way to do it is of course to calculate an average from the two scenes for the games in question and then use this average when calculating the overall performance.

If you do both of these things (remove the slow API results and only count each game once), then the RX 480 actually comes in at 99% the performance of the 1060 FE.

But honestly it's a single review that only tests 5 games, so perhaps not the most reliable one out there.

I don't really think the power numbers are significantly different here than what have seen previously. TPU has the reference RX 480 using 47W more than the 1060 FE. PCLab has it using 36W more, the difference could easily be caused by the difference in test setup (system power vs GPU power, and Witcher 3 vs. Metro LL)
 
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