Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Head1985]

True but how many AIBs will hit $249? Since the market is starting to catch up that blowers are generally not as good as modern open air coolers, AIBs know their cards are superior.

Pretty much zero just like 379USD GTX1070
1060 is 300USD card.Maybe 280-290usd for worst cheapest model.Better models will cost even more than 300USD.

 

[R0H1T]

True but how many AIBs will hit $249? Since the market is starting to catch up that blowers are generally not as good as modern open air coolers, AIBs know their cards are superior. As a result, it's hard to see AMD or NV AIBs hitting $199-239 and $249 MSRP level.

Remember when NV has a $399 reference 670 but Gigabyte and MSI released after-market cards for $399? Those days are also behind us.

BTW, NV snuck in another price increase because they positioned 1060 as a $249-299 card, another $50-100 more expensive than a $199 960 or $249 760.

$299 MSRP for reference is 660Ti's level and 660Ti was not as far behind the 670 as 1060 will be against the 1070.

That means NV is raising prices and creating even larger tier gaps. Everyone is too busy discussing RX 480 vs. 1060 but the underlying theme is the same -- prices keep rising under our nose and very few are criticizing NV for it. Gamers basically forgave NV for jacking up $329 970 to $399-449 1070 and $549 980 to $620-700 1080. Now the price increase has made its way to the x60 tier. Comparing 1060 to 660 also shows just how much prices have increased.

Reference 660 cost $190, not $300.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Gaming/

They'll keep on rising, & you know that, as long as people continue to pay the Nvidia tax, FE on 1060 is ample proof of that.

The best way to force Nvidia to get real(itistic) is not to support their infatuation of becoming the computing/gaming industry's Apple!

 

[RussianSensation]

Pretty much zero just like 379USD GTX1070
1060 is 300USD card.Maybe 280-290usd for worst cheapest model.Better models will cost even more than 300USD.

Just 4 years ago we had a $300 660Ti that had a 15% performance deficit to a reference 670.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/28.html

Now NV wants to charge $250-300 for a standard 1060 that's going to be miles behind a 1070. 1070 itself is the 2nd worst gimped x70 card after than 470 and it also had a price increase.

If we go back another generation, GTX 560 reference cost $200. Today 1060 reference costs $300, or a 50% price hike.

See what's happening to the GPU market?

NV is now charging $50 on x60, $70 on x70 and $100 on x80 for a blower. For those gamers who legitimately preferred a blower for old style/poor airflow cases, NV has decided to create an artificial mark-up. Imagine if RX 480 reference cost an extra $50?! What a joke the industry is becoming.

 

[SPBHM]

Reference 660 cost $190, not $300.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Gaming/

and the 760 was $250
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/

 

[Udgnim]

Just 4 years ago we had a $300 660Ti that had a 15% performance deficit to a reference 670.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/28.html

Now NV wants to charge $250-300 for a standard 1060 that's going to be miles behind a 1070. 1070 itself is the 2nd worst gimped x70 card after than 470 and it also had a price increase.

See what's happening to the GPU market?

AMD doesn't have enough R&D / marketing money to compete against Nvidia

 

[Erenhardt]

Your "analogy" is totally bogus. It wasn't even based on different mining performance of the cards, just "What if the guy who bought an RX 480 spent all day mining whilst the other guy who bought a GTX 1060 had no personal interest in mining", which could be easily reversed on any x vs y card comparison. There have been some valid, marginally valid and some iffy comparisons recently, but that one was and still is a flat out epic fail. :thumbsdown:

You are not going to be mining on nvidia. First, it is unstable with multiple GPUs, but that is not a problem you can't deal with.

The worst is it requires linux. You are not going to be switching to different system when you are finished gaming.

Mining under windows in between is very easy, you just run one .bat file and you are done. You can surf web and troll forums in you gaming session break.

Having to reload to different system would be huge pain in the rear.

 

[HOOfan 1]

See what's happening to the GPU market?

And AMD's newest card is no faster than their second tier card launched a year ago.

I think we have plenty of proof that we really need fierce competition to bring the leaps back.

 

[Erenhardt]

And AMD's newest card is no faster than their second tier card launched a year ago.

I think we have plenty of proof that we really need fierce competition to bring the leaps back.

Market decided it doesn't want competition.

 

[RussianSensation]

and the 760 was $250
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/

Your point?

760 at $250 has a 21% performance gap at 1080p to a $380 770. What's the performance gap between a 1060 and a 1070?
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/27.html

Not to mention 760 is the 2nd wave of 40nm cards. The proper comparison would actually be 660 vs. 1060.

760's performance would need to be compared to 670/680 to show its value in the NV stack. Your comparison would work if we had a refresh Pascal GTX2060 priced at $249 and roughly 20-25% behind the GTX1080.

Also, as I mentioned, comparing $300 660Ti vs. $400 670, it's evident a $300 1060 vs. 1070 is a bigger rip-off than the value provided by either the 660 or the 660Ti relative to the 670. At least back then we had good AMD cards too. Now gamers are stuck between an overpriced 1060 and an even slower 480. Awesome direction the dGPU market is heading to.

It's far worse too because what used to be a $199 560 and $249 560Ti has actually become $399-449 1070 and $599-699 1080. It means the current 1060 isn't even a real x60 lineage card because starting with Kepler they moved all of the pricing tiers UP and 660/660Ti became 670/680. Coincidentally NV's margins nearly doubled since Fermi days.

The price increases are continuing again from Maxwell generation when comparing $199 GTX 960 to $249-299 GTX 1060.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Already told you this comparison makes no sense. How can you compare the resale value of 2 cards that released almost a year apart? Either compare $549 290X to $699 780Ti or if you are going to use a $549 980, the 290X cost $280-325 by then. Throughout 95% of the time 980 and 290X sold side-by-side, it was possible to find 290X for much less than the $549 MSRP.



I know right because it was used for 4K HDTV gaming and 99% of the $200-300 target market has those TVs



Yes, because I used a scenario of mining on the side and gaming too. Good luck playing AAA games on Linux. I didn't say anything about buying a dedicated mining rig.

Btw, you ignored 290's 50%+ lead over 960 and 280X/380X's 15-20% lead over the 280X. Fully expect you to recommend the $200 480 4GB over $249-299 1060.



I don't think you understand what an analogy is.

Let me know when you can make a $50,000+ salary with a GTX1060 instead of buying an RX 480. Mining is something that could have been done on the side, at night, etc. Can I buy a 1060 and hqce it pay for itself over time on the side right now while playing games under Windows? Seems you have no response to that other than snide remarks and digs.

I provided a solid alternative to mainstream/performance gamers to keep more $$$ in their pocket and have more money saved towards keeping their rig up-to-date in 2018. Your response to that was basically "I have nothing so I am just going to attack the poster by using a non-relevant analogy."



Not many RX 480 / 1060 will be interested in gaming under Linux. The mining rates you quoted are impossible to achieve under Windows 10 at the current time. Pascal 1070/1080 get 4.5-5MH/sec under Windows 10. Also, you need to use very old drivers to get good rates under Windows for even the Maxwell line. This limitation doesn't exist for RX 480.

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Regardless, as it stands, it's turning out like this:

$199 RX 480 4GB
$239 RX 480 8GB

$249 1060 6GB
$299 1060 FE

Going in knowing these cards aren't that powerful and are 2 year stop-gaps, it's easy to recommend the $200 480 because 1060 $249-299 is 25%-50% more expensive. That makes 1060 overpriced for the level of performance it has.

The percentages seem large, but come on, even comparing the gimped 4gb 480 vs the 6gb 1060, the difference is only 50.00. The price of a meal out for 2, or a couple cases of beer, or one month's cell phone bill. And it is only 10.00 difference for the 8gb 480 vs the 1060. Plus the 1060 will undoubtedly be more efficient (save a bit on power) and probably faster as well in most current titles.

 

[96Firebird]

Not many RX 480 / 1060 will be interested in gaming under Linux. The mining rates you quoted are impossible to achieve under Windows 10 at the current time. Pascal 1070/1080 get 4.5-5MH/sec under Windows 10. Also, you need to use very old drivers to get good rates under Windows for even the Maxwell line. This limitation doesn't exist for RX 480.

Are you aware of the dual-boot feature...

 

[RussianSensation]

The percentages seem large, but come on, even comparing the gimped 4gb 480 vs the 6gb 1060, the difference is only 50.00. The price of a meal out for 2, or a couple cases of beer, or one month's cell phone bill. And it is only 10.00 difference for the 8gb 480 vs the 1060. Plus the 1060 will undoubtedly be more efficient (save a bit on power) and probably faster as well in most current titles.

$50?

$250 290 was >50% faster vs. $200 960. 290 was ignored by nearly every person recommending a 1060 over the 480. I know this is purposely being ignored though.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/DIY_Shopping_Lists/USD_800_Build_Guide/3.html

It's $50 when there will be 1060 cards priced at that level. Right now there are 0 $379 and $599 1070/1080 cards.

Also, $50 is 25% more expensive than $200 480 for way less than a 25% performance increase.

It doesn't matter of course as NV can put a logo on a donkey and sell it in Afghanistan for a 50% premium. So there is no doubt a $299 1060 will outsell even a $199 RX 480.

 

[BSim500]

You are not going to be mining on nvidia. First, it is unstable with multiple GPUs, but that is not a problem you can't deal with.

I suggest you go back and re-read what he originally wrote. It wasn't even a hardware comparison (or involved multi-GPU's), just a projection of the fact that because he personally mined before, everyone who buys a single RX 480 'will' mine and therefore be "given" a free card, whilst everyone who buys a single 1060 "must have completely different hobbies", or in short - the fail is "Everyone's hobbies = my hobbies, and all gamers 'must' be miners like me" personal projection... :thumbsdown:

If people want to set up some mining render farm, they can of course do that, but let's keep thing real and not pretend everyone everywhere who has bought an AMD card since the HD4870 has got back exactly what they spent in mining to the exact dollar, eh?

 

[rainy]

Yeah like I mentioned, try not to worry about the FE cards. Just focus on the supposed 249.00 AIB versions. That is a nice price for a 6GB 1060 to be sure.

You're a funny guy, are you really expecting to see non-reference models of GTX 1060 at 249 dollars?
I suppose most of them would be on 270-280 dollars and some at 300 dollars or maybe even above.

Btw, exactly like we will not see AIB models of RX 480 at 239 dollars - many of them at 260-270 and most expensive close to 300 dollars.

 

[Sweepr]

Pretty much zero just like 379USD GTX1070
1060 is 300USD card.Maybe 280-290usd for worst cheapest model.Better models will cost even more than 300USD.

Nonsense. We've already seen AIB Geforce GTX 1070 hit $399 on Newegg with limited supply. This time FE is a special limited edition (irrelevant to most). Price gouging aside, it is a $249+ card that could beat RX 480 at lower power.

 

[coercitiv]

Price gouging aside, it is a $249+ card that could beat RX 480 at lower power.

Let's not forget the 970! We saw lots of appreciation for that card against the $200 RX 480, surely it will hold it's own against the $250 1060 and continue to get purchasing recommendations as price drops even more.

 

[renderstate]

Regardless, as it stands, it's turning out like this:



$199 RX 480 4GB

$239 RX 480 8GB



$249 1060 6GB

$299 1060 FE



Going in knowing these cards aren't that powerful and are 2 year stop-gaps, it's easy to recommend the $200 480 because 1060 $249-299 is 25%-50% more expensive. That makes 1060 overpriced for the level of performance it has.

Before making yet another long, tedious and ultimately subjective recommendation I'd suggest you actually wait for the benchmarks.

If you want to continue to read tea leaves instead it'd better to not leave out VR apps in your considerations, where the gaps between 1060 and 480 is likely to be much larger in 1-2 years.

 

[Keysplayr]

Already told you this comparison makes no sense. How can you compare the resale value of 2 cards that released almost a year apart? Either compare $549 290X to $699 780Ti or if you are going to use a $549 980, the 290X cost $280-325 by then. Throughout 95% of the time 980 and 290X sold side-by-side, it was possible to find 290X for much less than the $549 MSRP.



I know right because it was used for 4K HDTV gaming and 99% of the $200-300 target market has those TVs



Yes, because I used a scenario of mining on the side and gaming too. Good luck playing AAA games on Linux. I didn't say anything about buying a dedicated mining rig.

Btw, you ignored 290's 50%+ lead over 960 and 280X/380X's 15-20% lead over the 280X. Fully expect you to recommend the $200 480 4GB over $249-299 1060.



I don't think you understand what an analogy is.

Let me know when you can make a $50,000+ salary with a GTX1060 instead of buying an RX 480. Mining is something that could have been done on the side, at night, etc. Can I buy a 1060 and hqce it pay for itself over time on the side right now while playing games under Windows? Seems you have no response to that other than snide remarks and digs.

I provided a solid alternative to mainstream/performance gamers to keep more $$$ in their pocket and have more money saved towards keeping their rig up-to-date in 2018. Your response to that was basically "I have nothing so I am just going to attack the poster by using a non-relevant analogy."



Not many RX 480 / 1060 will be interested in gaming under Linux. The mining rates you quoted are impossible to achieve under Windows 10 at the current time. Pascal 1070/1080 get 4.5-5MH/sec under Windows 10. Also, you need to use very old drivers to get good rates under Windows for even the Maxwell line. This limitation doesn't exist for RX 480.

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Regardless, as it stands, it's turning out like this:

$199 RX 480 4GB
$239 RX 480 8GB

$249 1060 6GB
$299 1060 FE

Going in knowing these cards aren't that powerful and are 2 year stop-gaps, it's easy to recommend the $200 480 because 1060 $249-299 is 25%-50% more expensive. That makes 1060 overpriced for the level of performance it has.

Well, I don't know that these cards aren't that powerful. Do you consider GTX 970/980/ 390/x weak cards?
I certainly don't. And I never thought of them as stop-gaps. I think you've just "elected" to call them these things so you could find a reason to STILL recommend AMD. Am I wrong? Because if 1060 6GB is 249.00 and about 15% faster than RX480, and uses so much less power, why then, do you still, recommend AMD? Even though it appears that it will be the worse card? I don't understand. I know we are still waiting on NDA lifted benches of 1060, so I'll reserve my final opinion til then, but it doesn't look good for 480 at the moment. Nvidia is going for pretty aggressive pricing.

 

[exar333]

It should sell pretty well at $249, even better if you see some $20-30 rebates and this gets a little closer to $200.

NV must be pretty confident the performance is 10-15% more than the 480 based on this pricing?

 

[Keysplayr]

Market decided it doesn't want competition.

Or, market recognizes that there isn't any.

 

[Sonikku]

It should sell pretty well at $249, even better if you see some $20-30 rebates and this gets a little closer to $200.

NV must be pretty confident the performance is 10-15% more than the 480 based on this pricing?

NV must be pretty confident the name brand will sell regardless of performance. And they're right.

 

[sirmo]

People are falling for Nvidia's MSRP again. This thing will be $300+ for months.

 

[Keysplayr]

People are falling for Nvidia's MSRP again. This thing will be $300+ for months.

It might.. If you're talking founders edition. There is always room for gouging though.

 

[AtenRa]

I really want to see a review of the $249 GTX 1060 card vs Reference RX 480 8GB.

 

[Pheran]

I predict that supply of this card is going to be crap for a long while, and thus prices will remain inflated. nVidia can't even keep up with the smaller demand for the higher-end cards, and it seems likely they pulled this launch forward because of the RX480. If availability of the 1060 looks anything like the 1070/1080, there will be no stock anywhere for this higher-demand market segment.