Geforce GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti Launch Thread ($109 / $139 - October 25th)

[LTC8K6]

Let's wait until prices settle down and we possibly have different card versions to work with, before pronouncing any cards DOA.

 

[Erenhardt]

Ok in that case 40% faster.
But then rx470 is also 40% more expensive than basic 1050Ti models(in my country) so both cards are good in their respective budgets.

A lot of people still play on 1600*900 or lower so these cards are important in places like South America and Asia.

Also now that the reviews are out we can confirm that RX460 IS DEAD.
The 2gb model gets crushed by 1050 2gb while the 4gb model gets crushed by 1050Ti.
So rx460 only lasted 3 months. RIP RX460 (AUG 16-OCT 16).

Not really.
460 was DOA.
The only time someone should consider 460 was if they wanted to improve their image quality on the cheap with adaptive monitor refresh, and was coming from very old midrange card (like hd6850 or worse). And even then we talk about 4GB 460.

1050 + gsync is actually more expensive than 470 + freesync 0_o

 

[Bacon1]

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/3/

1050 Ti is same speed overall as the 960 4GB, both are ~35% slower than 470 4gb for ~60% less power.

2GB 1050 is super slow due to lack of memory so you'll have to turn down texture quality.

Price perf (Euro) - Percents are how much better over the next item in the list.

1060 6gb (4%) > 480 8gb (31%) > 470 4gb (22%) > 1050 ti (24%) > 460 4gb / 1050 2gb (15%) > 460 2gb

 

[mohit9206]

Also i was right in my expectation that the hi end 1050Ti models will be $170. So avoid these rip off models and please stick with the basic models. MSI and Asus should take these $170 rip off models, polish it good until its shiny, turn them sideways and shove it up you know where.
Edit: Add Gigabyte G1 Gaming to that list too.

 

[AtenRa]

After i read Guru 3d review(most modern games)1050TI looks like crap.RX470 is better.
1050ti is way overpriced.Just like every other pascal card.
rx470 is 40-50% faster and dont cost that much more.

Where did you get 40-50% faster from? Its only 25% faster on average.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

RX 470 is 49% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 43% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 39% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 53% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 44% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 65% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 50% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 60% faster than GTX 1050Ti

 

[AtenRa]

Also now that the reviews are out we can confirm that RX460 IS DEAD.
The 2gb model gets crushed by 1050 2gb while the 4gb model gets crushed by 1050Ti.
So rx460 only lasted 3 months. RIP RX460 (AUG 16-OCT 16).

Funny but i believe you got this one the other way around, GTX 1050 2GB is DOA because the RX 460 4GB with the price reduction at $110 has the same MSRP as GTX 1050 2GB.

Lets see what happens in modern games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

Rise Of The Tomb Rider - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 34
GTX 1050 2GB = 31

BF1 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 50
GTX 1050 2GB = 45

Hitman 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 37
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Total War : Warhammer - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 35
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Ashes Of The Singularity - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 25
GTX 1050 2GB = 25

DOOM - 1080p Vulkan

RX 460 4GB = 62
GTX 1050 2GB = 35

 

[Head1985]

Where did you get 40-50% faster from? Its only 25% faster on average.

Guru3d review.Better and newer games than techpower up.Also techpower up numbers are wierd.GTX1070 14% avg faster than 980Ti..Sure techpower up is pretty bad lately.
In most games rx470 is 40-50% faster at 1080p.
Tomb raider +48%
Battlefield1+43%
Gears of war 4 +38%
Hitman 2016+53%
Total war:warhammer+44%
Deus ex +64%
Asches+37%
Doom+60%
Far cry primal+43%
Division+40%
GTA5+17%
Witcher3+28%
Anno2205+21%
Mafia3+46%
Alien isolation+46%

 

[antihelten]

Looks like if you are in the $150 range and performance/$ is most important the 470 is the choice for you. Iff you are at the very lowest range the 1050 may be the card of choice.

per Guru3d "For 169 USD you can pick up that RX 470 which is the better investment to make in the 1080P domain."

Yeah until you can a get decent aftermarket 1050 Ti for about $140, the RX 470 at $170 remains the better choice.

Guru3d review.Better and newer games than techpower up.Also techpower up numbers are wierd.GTX1070 14% avg faster than 980Ti..Sure techpower up is pretty bad lately.
In most games rx470 is 40-50% faster at 1080p.

Actually I would say that Guru3D's numbers are the weird ones, they certainly don't seem to match up to what other sites are getting for the 1050 Ti (at least the ones I have looked at). Most other sites appear to put the RX 470 ahead by about 25% against aftermarket 1050 Ti's and about 40% against reference 1050 Ti's. Guru3D is the only one I have seen that puts the RX 470 40% ahead of an aftermarket 1050 Ti.

Either way it will be nice to get 3DCenter's review roundup

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Where did you get 40-50% faster from? Its only 25% faster on average.

Yeah, not sure what's going on with that. For one, it is an aftermarket 1050 Ti vs reference 470 and they are using some outdated games in their suite. Computerbase has a more expansive one IMO, and they test aftermarket cards.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080

The 1050 Ti in this case is Palit aftermarket one.

It seems that being made on 14nm hasn't hurt the cards too much, however, clocks are indeed lower. Techpowerup got their MSI 1050 Ti to only 1911MHz when other Pascal cards do 2100+ (10% higher).

If that is any indication, the RX 480 could hit about 1420MHz (stock) if it were built on 16nm, though it might also have a larger die size.

 

[antihelten]

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080

The 1050 Ti in this case is Palit aftermarket one.

It's also worth noting that this appears to be kind of an iffy aftermarket card. Basically we are talking a single fan card that only boosts to about 1620 MHz on average compared to the MSI 1050 Ti Gaming X (which TPU tested), which is a dual fan card that boosts to an average of 1712 Mhz.

 

[LTC8K6]

Funny but i believe you got this one the other way around, GTX 1050 2GB is DOA because the RX 460 4GB with the price reduction at $110 has the same MSRP as GTX 1050 2GB.

Lets see what happens in modern games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

Rise Of The Tomb Rider - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 34
GTX 1050 2GB = 31

BF1 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 50
GTX 1050 2GB = 45

Hitman 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 37
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Total War : Warhammer - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 35
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Ashes Of The Singularity - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 25
GTX 1050 2GB = 25

DOOM - 1080p Vulkan

RX 460 4GB = 62
GTX 1050 2GB = 35

4 of those examples appear to be basically unplayable on both cards, though.
I don't see the point in comparing cards in largely unplayable scenarios for both.

Heck, is a 50fps average frame rate really the sweet spot for a video card? Isn't that very likely to be a poor game playing experience? Let alone anything lower...

 

[mohit9206]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

RX 470 is 49% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 43% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 39% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 53% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 44% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 65% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 50% faster than GTX 1050Ti

RX 470 is 60% faster than GTX 1050Ti

So you're only going to use DX12 in RX470s defense? Why completely ignore DX11? 95% games(or more) this year and in 2017 will still use DX11.

Funny but i believe you got this one the other way around, GTX 1050 2GB is DOA because the RX 460 4GB with the price reduction at $110 has the same MSRP as GTX 1050 2GB.

Lets see what happens in modern games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

Rise Of The Tomb Rider - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 34
GTX 1050 2GB = 31

BF1 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 50
GTX 1050 2GB = 45

Hitman 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 37
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Total War : Warhammer - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 35
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Ashes Of The Singularity - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 25
GTX 1050 2GB = 25

DOOM - 1080p Vulkan

RX 460 4GB = 62
GTX 1050 2GB = 35

Again only DX12.
Although if both being same price then i agree with you that RX460 4gb would be better buy purely because of extra 2gb vram but I've yet to see a $110 4gb rx460 (without rebate).
Also i want to know which rx460 they're using. If its the overpriced massive overclocked Asus Strixx then the comparison isn't fair. Need to be stock vs stock.
Also there's another thing. Rx460 target market will be using old i3 and amd CPUs and APUs so dx11 driver overhead leading to performance loss in dx11 games also needs to be considered.

 

[Spicedaddy]

I was waiting for the 1050Ti as I thought they'd have the same outputs as the 1060, but all the cards I'm seeing are 1xDP, 1xHDMI, 1xDVI. Looks like I'll need a 1060 for a triple 4K setup. (desktop work, no gaming...)

 

[LTC8K6]

Guru3d used a 5960X cpu, which is probably not what RX460 and GTX1050 buyers are using...

 

[Head1985]

Yeah until you can a get decent aftermarket 1050 Ti for about $140, the RX 470 at $170 remains the better choice.



Actually I would say that Guru3D's numbers are the weird ones, they certainly don't seem to match up to what other sites are getting for the 1050 Ti (at least the ones I have looked at). Most other sites appear to put the RX 470 ahead by about 25% against aftermarket 1050 Ti's and about 40% against reference 1050 Ti's. Guru3D is the only one I have seen that puts the RX 470 40% ahead of an aftermarket 1050 Ti.

Either way it will be nice to get 3DCenter's review roundup

Guru using new games like Mafia3,Gears of wars4,BF1, deus ex.Thats why rx470 is 40-50% faster.

 

[Sweepr]

Funny but i believe you got this one the other way around, GTX 1050 2GB is DOA because the RX 460 4GB with the price reduction at $110 has the same MSRP as GTX 1050 2GB.

Lets see what happens in modern games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,1.html

Rise Of The Tomb Rider - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 34
GTX 1050 2GB = 31

BF1 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 50
GTX 1050 2GB = 45

Hitman 1080p - DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 37
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Total War : Warhammer - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 35
GTX 1050 2GB = 24

Ashes Of The Singularity - 1080p DX-12

RX 460 4GB = 25
GTX 1050 2GB = 25

DOOM - 1080p Vulkan

RX 460 4GB = 62
GTX 1050 2GB = 35

Nice job at handpicking the worst results for 1050 / 1050 Ti on the web. Let's see what happens when we take a look at Techspot and TechPowerUp:

Spoiler

- Total War Warhammer

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Warhammer.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- Doom

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Doom.png

1050 2GB equal/faster than RX460 4GB

- Rise of the Tomb Raider

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/TR.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- Gears of War 4

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/GoW4.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- The Witcher 3

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Witcher.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- Overwatch

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overwatch.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- The Division

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Division.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- Ashes of the Singularity

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Ashes.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- Battlefield 1

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Battlefield.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

- No Man's Sky

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Gaming_X/images/nomanssky_1920_1080.png

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

Better performance overclocked as well:

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overclocking_01.png

- Overall Performance

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Gaming_X/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

Throughout the review we compared the 1050 2GB with the RX 460 4GB and yet Nvidia's new budget GPU came out on top delivering almost 10% more performance on average. Compounding the problem for AMD is the fact that the 1050 series consumes less power and overclocked slightly better (assuming 1050 cards with 6-pin power connectors don't overclock much better).

1050 2GB 10% faster than RX460 4GB

 

[redzo]

AMD was right by putting pressure on the 1050ti with its 470/4GB.

The fact is that the 470 4GB is having a hard time reaching constant 60FPS at almost max settings 1080p. To make matters worse, the 1050ti is slower than the 470/4GB.

You either go for a cheap 30fps GPU with a little sacrifice in image settings, or for something as cheap in its own 60fps segment like the 470/4GB.

I don't get this in between 30fps and 60fps. You either go for the absolute cheapest gpu and keep parity with the consoles, or try to double the framerate(60fps) by adding some X0 bucks.

The 1050ti makes no sense to me against the 470 at the bellow pricing and performance. It looks like a DOA product. Yep, I praised a lot nv's current 1060 power consumption advantage against the 480, but when frame rates start to drop this much, no more.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/

 

[LTC8K6]

Guru using new games like Mafia3,Gears of wars4,BF1, deus ex.Thats why rx470 is 40-50% faster.

What is the point of largely unplayable benchmarks, though? With a 5960X CPU as well?

How many people will be using RX460/GTX1050 cards with a 5960X chip to fool around in the unplayable frame rate arena?

 

[Bacon1]

Nice job at handpicking the worst results for 1050 / 1050 Ti on the web. Let's see what happens when we take a look at Techspot and TechPowerUp:

- Total War Warhammer

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 51% faster than 1050 Ti

- Doom

1050 2GB equal/faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 48% faster than 1050 Ti

- Rise of the Tomb Raider

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 22% faster than 1050 Ti

- The Witcher 3

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 34% faster than 1050 Ti

- Overwatch

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 17% faster than 1050 Ti

- The Division

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 43% faster than 1050 Ti

- Overwatch

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb still faster than 1050 Ti (there a reason you listed this twice??)

- Battlefield 1

1050 2GB faster than RX460 4GB

470 4gb 35% faster than 1050 Ti

- Gears of War 4

470 4gb 25% faster than 1050 Ti

Better performance overclocked as well:

470 4gb 33% faster than 1050 Ti


Guess that 1050 Ti sure is a dud, thanks for the benchmarks Sweeper! Much worse performance for the about same price as the 470 4gb.

 

[linkgoron]

1050 is clearly the best HTPC card. If it had 4gb it was an easy buy over the 460, but even so I'd probably recommend it over the 460 4gb. A full Polaris 11 would've been more competitive, I assume. Either way, with ~10% higher performance, lower power usage, some better video encoding and no power connector it is a better low end card than the 460. The 2gb is the only kind of disappointing aspect.

The 470 is clearly better than the 1050ti, though. At ~35% better performance (according to computerbase) it is an easy recommendation, even though it uses more power and has a power connector.

So 1050>460 and 1050ti<470 IMO.

I wonder if the lower clocks are a result of 14LPP. The perf/watt of the 1050ti, though, fits in nicely with the other Pascal cards.

 

[Sweepr]

Guess that 1050 Ti sure is a dud, thanks for the benchmarks Sweeper! Much worse performance for the about same price as the 470 4gb.

You sound mad. Custom 1050 Ti(s) are currently a bit overpriced compared to the 25% faster on average at 1080p RX 470, but as TPU already indicated - at $139 MSRP it basically matches the performance per $ of the larger and more power hungry P10 card.

That doesn't change the fact that RX 460 was absolutely destroyed in performance per watt, which is a relevant metric for OEMs that will integrate VGAs without PCIe power connectors in their systems, and, of course, notebooks. Performance-wise the 4GB version is slower than a 1050 with half the memory, so expect further price cuts.

Edit: Zotac Mini versions are available for $109 / $139 - so you can buy one at MSRP on launch day.

 

[Bacon1]

You sound mad. Custom 1050 Ti are currently a bit overpriced compared to the 25% faster on average at 1080p RX 470, but as TPU already indicated - at $139 MSRP it basically matches the performance per $ of the larger and more power hungry P10 card.

That doesn't change the fact that RX 460 was absolutely destroyed in performance per watt, which is a relevant metric for OEMs that will integrate VGAs without PCIe power connectors in their systems, and, of course, notebooks. Performance-wise the 4GB version is slower than a 1050 with half the memory, so expect further price cuts.

Why would I be mad? No need to get personal. I never though the 460 was good price / perf and wouldn't recommend anyone buy low end cards.

Why would you buy a 4GB 460 instead of a 2GB one though if you are planning on buying a 2GB 1050 anyway? Might as well save the money if you don't care about lowered textures with 2GB VRAM.

I wouldn't buy any of these cards nor recommend them to anyone. Buying low end gets you very little in the long run, same as "gaming" laptops.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Excellent job, NVIDIA.

 

[happy medium]

I thought the 189$ shipped 1060 3gb was the 175$ shipped 470's competition ?
Why are people comparing a low end 1050ti with a 470?because of its release price?
We all know its price will drop in 2 or 3 weeks.

I see 1050ti's for 139$ on newegg.
1050's for 109$

 

[antihelten]

Guru using new games like Mafia3,Gears of wars4,BF1, deus ex.Thats why rx470 is 40-50% faster.

And as I said those results don't really seem to match up to other results for the same card elsewhere (although to be fair there isn't a lot of direct comparison out there for exactly those 4 games using exactly this card).

I'm curious though, are the cards in Guru3Ds graphs all aftermarket cards?, at least that would explain the discrepancy. If for instance the RX 470 in the graph isn't a reference model, but rather an aftermarket that is say about 10% faster, then that would pretty much cover the gap between TPU and Guru3D.

All in all it may very well be that the gap is larger than 25% (40-50% for instance), but the numbers seem to be a bit all over the place. So as I said before, it will be nice to see 3DCenters review roundup.