Geforce GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti Launch Thread ($109 / $139 - October 25th)

[LTC8K6]

Are people seriously gloating over AMD because AMD was forced to lower prices?

And NV could lower prices, too...

 

[Bacon1]

I thought the 189$ shipped 1060 3gb was the 175$ shipped 470's competition ?
Why are people comparing a low end 1050ti with a 470?because of its release price?
We all know its price will drop in 2 or 3 weeks.

I see 1050ti's for 139$ on newegg.
1050's for 109$

$140 1050 ti vs $160/170 470. 14-20% more money for 25%+ more performance

If the person wanted Nvidia card 1060 3gb might be worth it for $190-200 but then you have only 3GB VRAM vs 4GB which is already limiting the 1060 in games vs the 6GB version

1060 3GB is $50-60 more or 35-40% more expensive than the 1050 Ti but provide at least that much in increased performance probably closer to 50% on average.

 

[happy medium]

$140 1050 ti vs $160/170 470. 14-20% more money for 25%+ more performance

If the person wanted Nvidia card 1060 3gb might be worth it for $190-200 but then you have only 3GB VRAM vs 4GB which is already limiting the 1060 in games vs the 6GB version

1060 3GB is $50-60 more or 35-40% more expensive than the 1050 Ti but provide at least that much in increased performance probably closer to 50% on average.

I just find it hard to believe that people are fighting over my gtx960 level of cards and price.
The 1050 vanilla is the best price performance card but do we all really care , its low end crap, slower than my 960 and faster than the ultra crap 460. .
The 1050ti is caught in the middle of the 1050 and 470 but with no power connector will sell 4x more cards than a 470/1060 3gb.
When prices settle in a few weeks with the 1050ti, it will all sort itself out.

Right now the 1050ti is the fastest card with no power connector ever, and I suspect 1080p players with no 6 pin connectors will pay extra for that privilege.

 

[dark zero]

Fans are pretty helpful in keeping large pieces of fast-running silicon cool.


For cards targeted at gamers, FP64 is simply a waste of die area that could be used to either lower chip costs or be used to pack in more FP32 capability. What use do you have for FP64, if you don't mind me asking?

Mining...

Also fanless would be loved for gamers who prefer al silent build (they can use SSD, fanless PSU, Intel Core T processor and a fanless GPU)

 

[LTC8K6]

I can only find a single RX470 at Newegg for $169, and it's an XFX on sale, and it's a single fan card.
The other RX470 you can get for $169 at Newegg is a Gigabyte, and it requires filing for a $20 rebate.

EDIT: there's one more, a Powerolor, but it also requires the rebate process.

Most RX470 cards at Newegg are $200 and up and then a couple around the $200 mark have a rebate to get a little lower than that.

At any rate, I don't think prices have settled yet among these AMD and NV cards.

 

[swilli89]

You sound mad. Custom 1050 Ti(s) are currently a bit overpriced compared to the 25% faster on average at 1080p RX 470, but as TPU already indicated - at $139 MSRP it basically matches the performance per $ of the larger and more power hungry P10 card.

That doesn't change the fact that RX 460 was absolutely destroyed in performance per watt, which is a relevant metric for OEMs that will integrate VGAs without PCIe power connectors in their systems, and, of course, notebooks. Performance-wise the 4GB version is slower than a 1050 with half the memory, so expect further price cuts.

Edit: Zotac Mini versions are available for $109 / $139 - so you can buy one at MSRP on launch day.

I'd like to note that your 25% figure won't be very accurate in the real world as you are comparing a custom 1050Ti to a reference 470. Hard to even find reference 470's anymore. Custom 470's good for about another 10%.

Much more importantly however, you're ignoring this fall's biggest PC release, Battlefield 1. TPU has a slightly out-dated list of games. Who in the world would include No Man's Sky? They're literally about to face a class action lawsuit over lying about the game and NO ONE is playing it any longer, yet it receives equal weight in your "summary" score you posted. 25% is not at all accurate. 470's are about 40%+ faster than 1050Ti's.

 

[Sweepr]

Nice to see the Zotac Mini 1050 / 1050 Ti available for $109 / $139 @ Newegg (MSRP) on launch day.

I'd like to note that your 25% figure won't be very accurate in the real world as you are comparing a custom 1050Ti to a reference 470. Hard to even find reference 470's anymore.

31% comparing custom vs custom (SweClockers). So let's call it 25-31% at 1080p.

Much more importantly however, you're ignoring this fall's biggest PC release, Battlefield 1.

Except I didn't ignore it, read my previous post again.

Who in the world would include No Man's Sky?

It is one of the latest titles and yet another win for the 1050 (vs RX 460)

 

[mohit9206]

470 4gb 51% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 48% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 22% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 34% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 17% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 43% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb still faster than 1050 Ti (there a reason you listed this twice??)



470 4gb 35% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 25% faster than 1050 Ti



470 4gb 33% faster than 1050 Ti


Guess that 1050 Ti sure is a dud, thanks for the benchmarks Sweeper! Much worse performance for the about same price as the 470 4gb.

Prices differ from country to country.
For example in mine, cheapest 1050Ti(zotac mini) is $190 and cheapest rx470 (sapphire reference) is $255 so you see prices aren't about the same.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'd like to note that your 25% figure won't be very accurate in the real world as you are comparing a custom 1050Ti to a reference 470. Hard to even find reference 470's anymore. Custom 470's good for about another 10%.

Much more importantly however, you're ignoring this fall's biggest PC release, Battlefield 1. TPU has a slightly out-dated list of games. Who in the world would include No Man's Sky? They're literally about to face a class action lawsuit over lying about the game and NO ONE is playing it any longer, yet it receives equal weight in your "summary" score you posted. 25% is not at all accurate. 470's are about 40%+ faster than 1050Ti's.

What is the lack of a power connector worth in sales?

Just looking around, it seems like the 1050ti and the RX470 are about the right distance apart in price.

In a few weeks, it may be a different story.

 

[jpiniero]

What is the lack of a power connector worth in sales?

It's a big deal since most OEM desktops don't have a power connector. How it works out in terms of retail sales I don't know.

 

[swilli89]

What is the lack of a power connector worth in sales?

Just looking around, it seems like the 1050ti and the RX470 are about the right distance apart in price.

In a few weeks, it may be a different story.

The 1050Ti has a 6-pin power connector in the review's I've read. It certainly has one in the TechPowerUp review Sweepr cited.

 

[raghu78]

I'd like to note that your 25% figure won't be very accurate in the real world as you are comparing a custom 1050Ti to a reference 470. Hard to even find reference 470's anymore. Custom 470's good for about another 10%.

Much more importantly however, you're ignoring this fall's biggest PC release, Battlefield 1. TPU has a slightly out-dated list of games. Who in the world would include No Man's Sky? They're literally about to face a class action lawsuit over lying about the game and NO ONE is playing it any longer, yet it receives equal weight in your "summary" score you posted. 25% is not at all accurate. 470's are about 40%+ faster than 1050Ti's.

actually a custom 470 with 8 pin and 1270 mhz boost is typically 5% slower than ref Rx 480. 6 pin Rx 470 typically run at 1125 Mhz speed and are 13% slower than ref Rx 480.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/radeon-rx-470-test/3/

Right now Rx 470 with 8 pin and GTX 1060 3GB selling for USD 200 have better perf / $ than GTX 1050 Ti .

 

[LTC8K6]

The 1050Ti has a 6-pin power connector in the review's I've read. It certainly has one in the TechPowerUp review Sweepr cited.

Yes, but many do not have a power connector.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...7292&cm_re=04G-P4-6255-_-14-487-292-_-Product

EVGA has 3 different 1050Ti cards without a power connector, and two with. The two with are 120W cards.

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-6255-KR

 

[AtenRa]

It's a big deal since most OEM desktops don't have a power connector. How it works out in terms of retail sales I don't know.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...3&cm_re=molex_to_6-pin-_-12-423-173-_-Product

Price $1.99

 

[Det0x]

So you're only going to use DX12 in RX470s defense? Why completely ignore DX11? 95% games(or more) this year and in 2017 will still use DX11...

...Also there's another thing. Rx460 target market will be using old i3 and amd CPUs and APUs so dx11 driver overhead leading to performance loss in dx11 games also needs to be considered.

Are you serious !? This lowend hardware is exactly why you would want to use DX12 in all the games you can muster.

 

[Erenhardt]

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080


If that is any indication, the RX 480 could hit about 1420MHz (stock) if it were built on 16nm, though it might also have a larger die size.

From your link:
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/#abschnitt_eine_kleine_gpu_von_samsung

16nm has better Packdichte than 14nm from GloFo (22-23 vs 24,4) which has about the same Packdichte as Samsung (24,4 vs 25,0)

So, 16nm TSMC seems to be superior in every way:
-better perf/w,
- better clocks,
- denser.
The only downside is probably cost. Glofo is probably cheaper and AMD produces at glofo for free. They have to buy from them or pay up anyway.

 

[swilli89]

Nice to see the Zotac Mini 1050 / 1050 Ti available for $109 / $139 @ Newegg (MSRP) on launch day.



31% comparing custom vs custom (SweClockers). So let's call it 25-31% at 1080p.

Sorry but no I don't accept that summary from one site. Here is a completely random selection from your original post list of reviews. I just chose 6 sites at random and compiled the indexes for each. I'm more than happy to upload my spreadsheet to Google Sheets if anyone wants to see it. What I did to make sure its a fair comparison: I used the best of either DX11, DX12, or Vulkan (DOOM) for all cards. Its not fair to include DX12 results for the 470 when the 1050ti actually performance worse in some cases so I chose the best of each. In the real world a gamer would not use a new API just to get worst performance so I basically included each cards best score when a site presented multiple APIs. Here are the results at 1080p:

Radeon RX 470 4GB vs Geforce 1050 Ti 4GB:

Lanoc Reviews: 470 46% faster
Tweaktown: 470 42% faster
Hot Hardware: 470 47% faster
Computerbase: 470 34% faster
Hexus: 470 69% faster
Eurogamer: 470 50% faster
PCGames Hardware: 470 52% faster
TechPowerUp: 470 25% faster

Average: 46% faster

On Newegg the MSI 1050ti that is referenced in many of these reviews is $169, and here is a great quality custom 470 for $165 as well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696

So obviously at this price point there is absolutely no discussion, the 470 is without a doubt a much, much better purchase. Its a different class of performance and for some games is actually enough to bump from 1080p to 1440p and for most games this is doable with reduced settings.

Now let's give the 1050ti the benefit of the doubt and say custom cards come down to $140 (out of 14 there is literally 1 at this price point on Newegg, vast majority are $150+).

Even compared to $140, a 470 at $169 is 21% more expensive. At this super low price point, who wouldn't spend an extra 21% for 46% more performance? That's a 2:1 performance to price increase! Nvidia would have to drop the 1050ti down to $110 even for this to begin even break even.

Of note, the two lowest results (computerbase and TPU both used reference 470's, all other sides paired their custom 1050 ti's with a custom 470).

It appears that TPU is an extreme outlier and that the conservative average is something more like the 470 is about 45-50% faster.

 

[John Carmack]

As another poster pointed out in the other thread, even the 1060 can be a 60W TDP card at less than 1500Mhz.

Overall much better than I was expecting.

- Power consumption is ridiculously low, only 67W typical gaming:

- Performance per watt 50% above Polaris even with Samsung 14nm - beats TSCM based GTX 1060 as well:

- From a technical point of view the 1050 Ti completely mops the floor with RX 460 at equal/lower power levels. 80% RX 470 performance with a much smaller die and 67W vs 121W is also impressive:

Typical Gaming Power Consumption (TechPowerUp)

- 1050 Gaming X: 62W
- 1050 Ti Gaming X: 67W
- RX 460 Strix OC: 91W

Quick calculation:
1050 has 65,7% better performance per watt (1080p)*
1050 Ti has 87% better performance per watt (1080p)*

*Compared to RX 460 Strix OC (custom vs custom)

So Pascal still holds a significant perf/watt lead at 14nm Samsung.


Regarding perf/$ comparisons, remmember some of us don't live in North America - the price gap between 1050 Ti and RX 470 varies depending where you live:

Doesn't look that way to me.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The only downside is probably cost. Glofo is probably cheaper and AMD produces at glofo for free. They have to buy from them or pay up anyway.

It's not "for free." Otherwise everything AMD sold would be at 100% pure profit since their wafer costs would be $0.

 

[R0H1T]

I just find it hard to believe that people are fighting over my gtx960 level of cards and price.
The 1050 vanilla is the best price performance card but do we all really care , its low end crap, slower than my 960 and faster than the ultra crap 460. .
The 1050ti is caught in the middle of the 1050 and 470 but with no power connector will sell 4x more cards than a 470/1060 3gb.
When prices settle in a few weeks with the 1050ti, it will all sort itself out.

Right now the 1050ti is the fastest card with no power connector ever, and I suspect 1080p players with no 6 pin connectors will pay extra for that privilege.

You're seriously overestimating the market that cares for this "feature" & kind of underestimating people's ability & willingness to splurge a bit more to get substantially better value for their money.

 

[jpiniero]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...3&cm_re=molex_to_6-pin-_-12-423-173-_-Product

Not useful if your power supply is weak. I looked at a few 470's and they all require/recommend 450 or 500W PSUs. You won't find that in a OEM desktop that easily. For those people on OEM desktops, the 470 basically isn't an option.

 

[frozentundra123456]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...3&cm_re=molex_to_6-pin-_-12-423-173-_-Product

Price $1.99

Some aftermarket systems don't even have extra Molex connectors to use with those adapters. I know, I had one. Also, if a psu is of such low quality as to not have a six pin connector, I consider it problematic to even use those adapters.

 

[cbn]

Comment retracted.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Not useful if your power supply is weak. I looked at a few 470's and they all require/recommend 450 or 500W PSUs. You won't find that in a OEM desktop that easily. For those people on OEM desktops, the 470 basically isn't an option.

You can run a 470 system with a 300W PSU no sweat, even an aftermarket 470.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/radeon-rx-470-test/5/

At most, the entire system consumes 250W (83% of 300W or 300W is 20% more) and this is in a system with a 4.5GHz i7.

 

[HurleyBird]

The only place I care about perf/watt is in the laptop market.

We aren't the audience for these cards anyway. And while (desktop) perf/watt is typically overrated by whatever side is ahead in perf/watt, when you reach the threshold where you don't need to use a six pin power connector that actually is quite important. I expect the 1050 to be in a boatload of cheap OEM systems.

That said, it really is a shame that the 1050 only comes with 2GB of memory. It makes it very difficult to recommend over the 460 unless you absolutely can't use a six-pin. And the 1050 Ti is difficult to recommend because it's priced to high relative to the significantly higher performance 470.

A 4GB 1050 at around the same price would be awesome, and an instant recommendation. And of course, the chip promises to be one of the all time best laptop GPUs ever, but I can't help but be disappointed in these particular products.