Geforce GTX 1050 / 1050 Ti Launch Thread ($109 / $139 - October 25th)

[Sweepr]

Typical Gaming Power Consumption (TechPowerUp)

- 1050 Gaming X: 62W
- 1050 Ti Gaming X: 67W
- RX 460 Strix OC: 91W

Quick calculation:
1050 has 65,7% better performance per watt (1080p)*
1050 Ti has 87% better performance per watt (1080p)*

*Compared to RX 460 Strix OC (custom vs custom)

So Pascal still holds a significant perf/watt lead at 14nm Samsung.


Regarding perf/$ comparisons, remmember some of us don't live in North America - the price gap between 1050 Ti and RX 470 varies depending where you live:

Pricing in the EU however is very different, a 4GB RX 470 will cost you 215 EURO where the GTX 1050 Ti will sit in that 155~160 EURO bracket. So the dynamic is different and actually regionally bound.

 

[USER8000]

Still... No fanless card from NVIDIA...
Seems that temps could be higher that not to use it.

Also that confirms that without going FP64 is the way to go for nVIDIA. Double presicion isn't that good than expecting.

I think the GTX1050 could easily fit into a single slot card low profile card - now that would be useful for some smaller systems. AMD has the FirePro WX4100 in that form factor(probably using binned chips).

That for me,would be really exciting!!

Regarding perf/$ comparisons, remmember some of us don't live in North America - the price gap between 1050 Ti and RX 470 varies depending where you live:

I live in the UK and we can get one of the better AIB RX470 cards for £165 from one of the bigger retailers.

The cheapest GTX1050TI cards,seem to be from £140 on pre-order and £145 to £150 for cards in stock.

 

[Sweepr]

According to HardwareCanucks the cards operate at 1650-1750 MHz (10 minutes testing):

 

[Sweepr]

Some DigitalFoundry remarks:

While we reckon that the GTX 1060 offers the best value overall, there are scenarios where the GTX 1050 Ti's unique aspects pay off spectacularly. It's an absolutely tiny card, it's virtually silent, and the fact that it runs so cool - even with a really basic heatsink and fan - means that it happily sits in a very small PC with little to no chance of reaching anything like its thermal limits. The table above also includes overclocking data too - we could add 220MHz to the core and 400MHz to the GDDR5 RAM, taking us up to 7.8gbps of bandwidth. All that from just 75W (you can't increase power delivery on this card) is eye-opening to say the least.

...Overall then, GTX 1050 Ti is a solid performer with much to commend it. As long as a dual-slot, full height PCI Express port is available, it should plug into any desktop PC regardless of power supply - and in that respect, it offers by far the best performance available in that class of hardware. Pay more and you'll get more, but in terms of its market category, GTX 1050 Ti is in a class of its own.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-review

 

[Arachnotronic]

Still... No fanless card from NVIDIA...
Seems that temps could be higher that not to use it.

Fans are pretty helpful in keeping large pieces of fast-running silicon cool.

Also that confirms that without going FP64 is the way to go for nVIDIA. Double presicion isn't that good than expecting.

For cards targeted at gamers, FP64 is simply a waste of die area that could be used to either lower chip costs or be used to pack in more FP32 capability. What use do you have for FP64, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[R0H1T]

I live in the UK and we can get one of the better AIB RX470 cards for £165 from one of the bigger retailers.

The cheapest GTX1050TI cards,seem to be from £140 on pre-order and £145 to £150 for cards in stock.

The recent price cuts would also help AMD to move even more 470's especially considering the 1050/Ti launch prices atm.

 

[Sweepr]

Reviews

- 1050
TechPowerUp
Guru3D
ComputerBase
PurePC
PCWorld

- 1050 Ti
Overclocker's Club
Hot Hardware
TechPowerUp
Hardware Asylum
Hardware Canucks
LanOC
Techspot
cowcotland
Hexus
Guru3D
ComputerBase
Tom's Hardware
PCLab
PurePC
ComptoirduHardware
Eurogamer
TweakTown
PCWorld
Hardwareluxx
SweCLockers
PCGamesHardware

Reviews added to the OP as well!

 

[antihelten]

"antihelten said: ↑
A quick estimate based on those slides, puts the 1050 Ti at roughly 40% faster than the 950, and thus 20% faster than the 960, and 20% slower than the RX 470."

Absolutely not. Cherry-picked settings in random titles NV picked don't matter to show the average performance delta. TimeSpy score shows that 1050Ti is barely faster than the GTX960. EVGA confirms it's not going to be even 25% faster than a GTX960:

"antihelten said: ↑
With the 1050 Ti at $140, the RX 460 and RX 470 (both 4GB) would have to be roughly $100 and $170, to maintain similar perf/$."

Nope, not happening.

Not to toot my own horn or anything (ok maybe a little bit), but I was 100% correct about both of my above predictions.

The 1050 Ti is exactly 40% faster than the 950, 20% faster than the 960 and 20% slower than the RX 470 (so much for cherry-picked settings and titles), and AMD did indeed lower their prices to $100 and $170 for the RX 460 and RX 470.

The price of the 1050 Ti is problematic though (as others have noted), with the cheapest decent AIB version being $160, at those price levels a $170 RX 470 would certainly appear to be the better buy. Part of this may be due to the fact that the price drop on the RX 470 hasn't fully materialized yet with only 2 cards on Newegg currently at that price, so hopefully it is only temporary.

One interesting thing to note is that the 1050 (non Ti) is now arguably the best min-spec VR GPU out there. With the recently announced minimum spec from Oculus the GTX 960 was listed as the minimum required GPU, but with the 1050 basically matching the performance of the 960, it would make the obvious choice for cheap VR machines.

 

[Head1985]

After i read Guru 3d review(most modern games)1050TI looks like crap.RX470 is better.
1050ti is way overpriced.Just like every other pascal card.
rx470 is 40-50% faster and dont cost that much more.

 

[R0H1T]

Not to toot my own horn or anything (ok maybe a little bit), but I was 100% correct about both of my above predictions.

Technically you were only half right, the numbers are from AIB (factory OCed) cards

 

[Sweepr]

From PCWorld:

Nvidia truly knocked it out of the park with the GeForce GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti. Not only are these graphics cards a worthy successor (and worthwhile upgrade) for the legendary GTX 750 Ti, Nvidia’s cards are notably cooler, notably more power-efficient, and notably more powerful than AMD’s Radeon RX 460.

Heck, even the $110 MSI GTX 1050 OC outpunches the $140 4GB Sapphire Nitro RX 460 OC by an average of 11.69 percent at Medium graphics, split between minor wins in half the games and flat-out embarrassing victories in the other half. The $140 EVGA GTX 1050 Ti SC Gaming—which is the same price as the 4GB RX 460 we tested—widens the gulf even further to a whopping 28.72 percent average performance advantage. And the GeForce cards manage that domination without the help of an additional power connector, unlike the 4GB Radeon RX 460, which means that Nvidia’s cards can indeed slip effortlessly into prebuilt big box PCs.

...AMD’s price cut for the Radeon RX 470 makes things interesting, as it offers far superior performance to Nvidia’s new cards. At its new $170 “suggested e-tail price” (SEP), an RX 470 would only cost $30 more than a GTX 1050 Ti. But be wary: The vast majority of RX 470 cards still sell for $185 or up on Newegg (a 33-fpercent premium over the GTX 1050 Ti), and the cheapest ones charge you for shipping. More crucially, the Radeon RX 470 demands the use of a six-pin power connector, which nullifies its potential for upgrading a “big box” computer into a gaming rig. It also draws significantly more energy than the GTX 1050 and Radeon RX 460 through that connector, and throws off much more heat under load.

...Bottom line: The MSI GTX 1050 OC and EVGA GTX 1050 Ti SC Gaming both kick ass. They’re hands-down the best graphics cards options in the $100 to $150 price range. There’s no need to upgrade to either from a GTX 950, but if you’re moving up from an older-generation GPU, or simply want to turn a non-gaming PC into a gaming PC with minimal hassle, the GeForce GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti come highly recommended.

www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.html

 

[antihelten]

Technically you were only half right, the numbers are from AIB (factory OCed) cards

My performance prediction was made regarding factory overclocked AIB cards (the ones from Galax and Gainward in the slides Sweepr posted), hence the part of my post that said "a quick estimate based on those slides..."

To be even more precise the estimate was based on the Galax 1050 Ti EXOC and the Gainward 1050 Gale EX, both full length, dual fan, factory overclocked cards.

 

[Erenhardt]

From PCWorld:



www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.html

Not to piss on your parade, but they could increase texture quality and then 460 would smash 1050. Or they could compare it to 90$ 2GB 460 as an more apples to apples comparison. But then the 12% performance lead would look quite blant paired with 20% price increase I guess.

 

[happy medium]

so the 1050ti overclocked is no faster than my overclocked gtx9604gb? I don't see any test vs a gtx960 4gb.

 

[b-mac]

The only place I care about perf/watt is in the laptop market. The prices for these aftermarket cards are hilarious for the performance they give. I'd buy a 470 or a used 970/290 before purchasing one of these cards. Also will probably get a 1060 laptop unless the price for a 1050 ti laptop is significantly cheaper.

 

[Azix]

From PCWorld:

www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.html

division 460 - 49 fps 1050 - 51.8 = 2.8fps
hitman 460 - 64.52 fps 1050 - 66.79 = 2.27 fps
far cry primal 460 - 47 1050 - 56 = 9 fps
ashes of the singularity 460 - 29.1 1050 - 33.5 = 4.4 fps
gears of war 4 460 - 53.4 1050 - 54.1 = 0.7 fps
tomb raider 460 - 46.62 1050 - 58.04 = 11.42 fps

minor wins in 4 of the tests, major in 2. The 470 is in another world in terms of performance. Off the charts. Silly to go 1050 ti if you can manage a 470. There is one on newegg for $160 after rebate for example.

so the 1050ti overclocked is no faster than my overclocked gtx9604gb? I don't see any test vs a gtx960 4gb.

and the 380/380x/285 are often missing from tests. cards typically faster than a 960. 1050 ti is weak unless you are seriously power limited. 1050, meh. near MSRP 1050 is better buy for games like overwatch.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500411

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500412

Zotac cards at the MSRP, don't know how long this will last though once upgraders & new buyers start snapping them up.

Also the admin already posted earlier in the thread with a last warning NOT to post about 470 , I hope all the 470 troll posters get their bans.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...139-october-25th.2489249/page-5#post-38531216

Last warning folks. This is not a 470 thread.

 

[b-mac]

Not to piss on your parade, but they could increase texture quality and then 460 would smash 1050. Or they could compare it to 90$ 2GB 460 as an more apples to apples comparison. But then the 12% performance lead would look quite blant paired with 20% price increase I guess.

No man it's totally fine to compare the cheapest 1050 to the most expensive 460. Ignore all of the $99 460s out there.

 

[fingerbob69]

From PCWorld:



www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.html

....at 1080P 2GB cards will quickly run out of memory and, as you have been able to see, with DX12 titles especially the regular 1050 caved in. Lowering image quality settings (significantly to say medium quality) is the only way to get that framerate up. .... For DX12 titles and proper image quality settings that you may expect from a 2016 PC, a regular 1050 is just not enough.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1050_and_1050_ti_gaming_x_review,38.html

The regular 1050 represents very poor value to the budget gamer.

Sub $150 you're looking at a 460 4gb or a 1050ti. But at the 'ti price you might as well go the extra $10 and get a whole higher class of gaming.

 

[mohit9206]

After i read Guru 3d review(most modern games)1050TI looks like crap.RX470 is better.
1050ti is way overpriced.Just like every other pascal card.
rx470 is 40-50% faster and dont cost that much more.

Where did you get 40-50% faster from? Its only 25% faster on average.

 

[USER8000]

Where did you get 40-50% faster from? Its only 25% faster on average.

That is an AIB GTX1050TI against a reference RX470. The AIB RX470 cards Techpowerup tested were around 10% faster,so that makes an AIB RX470 probably close to 40% faster overall.

 

[Azix]

1050 only comes in 2GB? bad idea. Even budget gamers use 1080p

 

[USER8000]

1050 only comes in 2GB? bad idea. Even budget gamers use 1080p

If it keeps the cost as close to the RX460 2GB then its not such a bad thing. The GTX1050 if it sticks to MRSP will have an easier time when compare to the RX460(at least in my view).

 

[mohit9206]

That is an AIB GTX1050TI against a reference RX470. The AIB RX470 cards Techpowerup tested were around 10% faster,so that makes an AIB RX470 probably close to 40% faster overall.

Ok in that case 40% faster.
But then rx470 is also 40% more expensive than basic 1050Ti models(in my country) so both cards are good in their respective budgets.

1050 only comes in 2GB? bad idea. Even budget gamers use 1080p

A lot of people still play on 1600*900 or lower so these cards are important in places like South America and Asia.

Also now that the reviews are out we can confirm that RX460 IS DEAD.
The 2gb model gets crushed by 1050 2gb while the 4gb model gets crushed by 1050Ti.
So rx460 only lasted 3 months. RIP RX460 (AUG 16-OCT 16).

 

[swilli89]

Looks like if you are in the $150 range and performance/$ is most important the 470 is the choice for you. Iff you are at the very lowest range the 1050 may be the card of choice.

per Guru3d "For 169 USD you can pick up that RX 470 which is the better investment to make in the 1080P domain."