Question Geekbench 6 released and calibrated against Core i7-12700

[igor_kavinski]

Geekbench 6 - Geekbench Blog

www.geekbench.com

Weird choice of baseline CPU and even weird is that the baseline score is 2500.

i7-12700 does hardly 2000 in GB5 with the fastest DDR5.

EDIT: Gideon's browser extension/add-on: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...d-against-core-i7-12700.2610597/post-41452115

Helps you make sense of the results if you are left scratching your head about why a certain test is fast on a certain CPU.

Super useful!

Sample screenshot:

 

[Thunder 57]

Anyone with Doom 2016, play it with 1C1T. I did it just yesterday and played Vega (a level with a lot of action) on arcade mode. Other than the level taking awhile to load, it was very playable. Black Ops III on the other hand, not at all.

Some people just write better code. I'm sure booting Windows or Windows Updates with one core are a nightmare though. No pun intended.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Anyone with Doom 2016, play it with 1C1T. I did it just yesterday

Which CPU?

 

[Thunder 57]

Which CPU?

2600X and 5700X. I don't remember the FPS of the 2600X as that was a long time ago. With the 5700X it seemed to bottom out at the mid 40's.

Also, so much for all those who say people never upgrade a CPU without a new motherboard. It's been a great upgrade. Maybe Intel will allow meaningful CPU only upgrades one day. It seems that mobo manufactuers have found this out though since people bought AM4 boards and kept them for years and now AM5 boards are more expensive than Intel ones (a first, I think) because they know people will likely be able to use them longer.

 

[igor_kavinski]

With the 5700X it seemed to bottom out at the mid 40's.

Interesting. I'm really curious now to hear how Zen 3/4 do loading Win11 with 1C/1T.

 

[Doug S]

Boot time results with my 12700K (from when "Restarting..." message disappears to WinLogin screen):

12C/20T: 24 secs

After login, CPU utilization was under 10%. AMD process (long name) took 5 to 7% CPU.

1C/2T: 22 secs

After login, CPU utilization was 100% for about a minute or two. AMD process (long name) took about 56% CPU.

1C/1T: Took 3 to 4 minutes to get to login screen. After entering password, several minutes to get to desktop. When desktop appeared, the taskbar is blank. No start menu to click. Hard reset. Tried to go into BIOS too get back to full cores. Screen went black. Hard reset didn't work multiple times. Hard shutdown. This time it booted faster and logged in and Start menu button appeared. Right clicking the Start button took some time for the menu to appear. Clicked Task Manager at least two times. It never loaded in the 5 minutes of my patience threshold.

So yeah, have fun running your 13900KS with 1C/1T.

Hope a 7950X/7950X3D user will report their own Win11 experience with 1C/1T.

That is 100% for sure a bug in Windows, likely because Microsoft has abandoned testing it on single core hardware and thus hasn't noticed it.

 

[igor_kavinski]

That is 100% for sure a bug in Windows, likely because Microsoft has abandoned testing it on single core hardware and thus hasn't noticed it.

Or it could be that process bundled with the AMD driver (I keep forgetting its name. AMD User Experience Program Master or something). It was eating up 56% CPU on 1C/2T so maybe it never lets anything else finish with only 1T available. Maybe others who try without AMD drivers may have better experience loading Win11 with 1C/1T.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Interesting. I'm really curious now to hear how Zen 3/4 do loading Win11 with 1C/1T.

I tried it on my 5700G using iGPU. Neither 1 or 2 cores with SMT on or off would boot. KB&M are never detected. I gave it a couple of minutes each time, and even approached it with optimized bios presets. Had to clear the CMOS each attempt. Pulling the plug, and hard power off did nothing for getting to UEFI or windows. I gave up after that. I'll try it on another Zen 3 system with Asus instead of Gigabyte.

I already know it will be a bad time even if it boots and can load windows 11. I could setup a system with tiny 11 but that would violate the premise of one core being okay for most users. Most users are on whatever windows comes on the OEM or S.I. system they bought. In which case, one core with SMT/HT might technically meet the minimum requirements, but it won't be fun.

I suspect a clean install using the CPU with 1 physical 1 logical would answer that question. Or 2 physical. If I get really bored I'll try it. The B550i AORUS PRO AX is not playing nice, so Asus X570 TUF GAMING would be up next.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Or it could be that process bundled with the AMD driver (I keep forgetting its name. AMD User Experience Program Master or something). It was eating up 56% CPU on 1C/2T so maybe it never lets anything else finish with only 1T available. Maybe others who try without AMD drivers may have better experience loading Win11 with 1C/1T.

So do it without the drivers installed. Blaming AMD for everything the way you always do is comical. Show me on the doll where they touched you. That process is sitting idle right now on my system. Might have been telemetry, boot without internet and see if that helps.

 

[Doug S]

Or it could be that process bundled with the AMD driver (I keep forgetting its name. AMD User Experience Program Master or something). It was eating up 56% CPU on 1C/2T so maybe it never lets anything else finish with only 1T available. Maybe others who try without AMD drivers may have better experience loading Win11 with 1C/1T.

Either way it is a bug, and not something where you can say "you need more than one core to boot a Windows system in the same time frame as a HEDT". Not that boot times matter since people have no reason to boot PCs more often than every few weeks. At most once a day if people still use the old school "turn it off at the end of the day" paradigm.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Blaming AMD for everything the way you always do is comical.

Love AMD so not blaming them

I was surmising.

Too lazy to uninstall drivers and do the whole thing over again. Just reported what I saw. Please don't take offense, Mr. Punisher

Hoping someone with an Nvidia card will step up to the plate.

 

[igor_kavinski]

That process is sitting idle right now on my system. Might have been telemetry, boot without internet and see if that helps.

That process does something at boot. With all cores, it will take about 6% CPU.

I haven't connected my PC to the internet since I built it. I'm saving $10 on the Windows serial

Need to do some homework first to block all Microsoft domains for good. If everything's running fine, I see no reason to let Microsoft fiddle with my Windows installation through their "updates".

 

[coercitiv]

@igor_kavinski you could have picked a better day to complain about AMD telemetry

NVIDIA acknowledges 10%+ CPU usage driver bug after exiting games - VideoCardz.com

Update: NVIDIA has released a hotfix driver that solves this issue. You can download it from here. GeForce graphics driver bug may cause 10%+ CPU usage from NVIDIA Container NVIDIA is aware of the new issue that has been reported by some players. NVIDIA RTX 4090 Founders Edition (AI edited)...

videocardz.com

Personally I have yet to join the user experience program, and I'll take my sweet time:

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh that process runs even if you don't join the user experience program. I have yet to connect that PC to the internet. Transferring all needed stuff to it via USB. Yes, that means no Steam so far. I'm not yet a millionaire so don't have time to go exploring my 2000+ game library.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@igor_kavinski you could have picked a better day to complain about AMD telemetry

I'm not complaining. I simply reported its CPU usage. It's only bad with 1T. Even on 1C/2T, it gets done in a few minutes and then stays mostly 0% CPU.

 

[Kocicak]

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I was surmising.
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Wow, this forum is a valuable resource for learning english language, I just learned a new word. Recently I learned another useful word here: patootie.

 

[naukkis]

That is 100% for sure a bug in Windows, likely because Microsoft has abandoned testing it on single core hardware and thus hasn't noticed it.

Minimum requirement for win11 is dual-thread cpu. Multi-threading is more efficient when parent thread launches child threads without bulletproof deadlock prevention for parent-child interaction with just one core. Sure nobody nowadays will sacrifice multi-threading efficiency for being able to run with single-core cpu?

 

[Captante]

Really, just weird.

Love to see the size of the check Intel "motivated" that decision with lol.

 

[soresu]

patootie

Ironically I learned that word from watching Ratatouille:

 

[Markfw]

Wow, this forum is a valuable resource for learning english language, I just learned a new word. Recently I learned another useful word here: patootie.

When in doubt, use this resource. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/patootie#:~:text=patootie (plural patooties),An attractive girl; a girlfriend.

(definition number 1)

 

[richardskrad]

Take a look at the employees of the OpenAI offices.

They're all using Apple Silicon MacBook Pro's. Go look around in Silicon Valley and there are no laptops with Intel and AMD chips. I am honestly surprised that Intel and AMD stock haven't lost most of their value. They have lost all relevancy outside of the gaming community and cheap Windows laptops and Chromebooks. I guess this is what happens when you get lazy and don't innovate on the performance per watt side of things. Look what happened now. Qualcomm, and Apple in particular, have steamrolled Intel and AMD.

 

[Captante]

I am honestly surprised that Intel and AMD stock haven't lost most of their value. They have lost all relevancy outside of the gaming community and cheap Windows laptops and Chromebooks.

Herp-derp. Spot-on! (rotfl)

"In the fourth quarter of 2022, Apple shipped 17.2 percent of all PC units in the United States." (Statista.com)

Yep.... clearly with a mere 82.8% of PC sales AMD and Intel are irrelevant compared to Apple.

 

[richardskrad]

"In the fourth quarter of 2022, Apple shipped 17.2 percent of all PC units in the United States." (Statista.com)

Yep.... clearly with a mere 82.8% of PC sales AMD and Intel are irrelevant compared to Apple.

OpenAI is right now the premiere AI company in silicon valley. Why are they giving all their employees Macs and not Windows laptops with Intel and AMD chips?

 

[Captante]

Not sure .... maybe ask them?

Changes nothing in regard to your posted statement being complete nonsense as written.

 

[poke01]

OpenAI is right now the premiere AI company in silicon valley. Why are they giving all their employees Macs and not Windows laptops with Intel and AMD chips?

Uhh Maybe because sillcon valley does not represent the rest of the world.

ChatGPT is run on Nvidia AI GPUs and run in Intel Xeons. Apple is irrelevant in AI more so than Facebook.

 

[poke01]

They have lost all relevancy outside of the gaming community and cheap Windows laptops and Chromebooks.

Go to any government office/private offices or dev studio or Hollywood render farm. They run Windows/Linux ie Intel and the like.


Funny, you don't mention Nvidia. Oh yeah cause they steam roll Apple's GPUs while being better in perf/w.