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Phokus

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Another weird thing i've noticed, ATPN has become a COMPLETE shithole (even more so than after all the cheering for Palestinian genocide from the neo-con crew), but on other forums and reddit, i don't see this anywhere. Hell, i've even come to agreement with Libertarians that what Israel is doing is disgusting and we shouldn't be funding their murder machine. Even the israeli subreddit doesn't have that kind of vitriol against the Palestinians, hell some even have shown sypmathy to the Palestinian civilians. How the flying fuck did ATPN attract the lowest scum of rightwing dipshit humanity? Literally every other forum has more level headed people, even the ones that support the current Israeli occupation.
 

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Another weird thing i've noticed, ATPN has become a COMPLETE shithole (even more so than after all the cheering for Palestinian genocide from the neo-con crew), but on other forums and reddit, i don't see this anywhere. Hell, i've even come to agreement with Libertarians that what Israel is doing is disgusting and we shouldn't be funding their murder machine. Even the israeli subreddit doesn't have that kind of vitriol against the Palestinians, hell some even have shown sypmathy to the Palestinian civilians. How the flying fuck did ATPN attract the lowest scum of rightwing dipshit humanity? Literally every other forum has more level headed people, even the ones that support the current Israeli occupation.

I am noticing the same thing. Please do let me know about some other half decent forums where such things can be discussed.

Also, it is a well known fact that it is a lot more easier to criticize Israel in Israel than it is in America. Has been like this for a long time.
 

Phokus

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I am noticing the same thing. Please do let me know about some other half decent forums where such things can be discussed.

Also, it is a well known fact that it is a lot more easier to criticize Israel in Israel than it is in America. Has been like this for a long time.

Reddit is a somewhat better forum. You'll still see people who vigorously defend Israel in these operations, but I haven't seen a SINGLE person advocating genocide/eugenics over there, and Reddit's userbase is INFINITELY larger than ATPN's. This forum has turned into a complete disgrace.

Edit: Things are changing in Israel though. While some media outlets like Haaretz are able to criticize Israel, Israel is becoming a HELLUVA lot more racist/aggressive. Rightwing mobs are attacking peace protestors and singing about how they're happy that palestinian children are dying.
 

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I am noticing the same thing. Please do let me know about some other half decent forums where such things can be discussed.

Also, it is a well known fact that it is a lot more easier to criticize Israel in Israel than it is in America. Has been like this for a long time.

Come to something awful, the D&D forum is doing some really good work on this. Plus the entry fee tends to weed out the real shitheads fast.
 

irishScott

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You've demonstrated already that you don't have all the facts of this conflict, why are you even commenting still? In the other thread, you were surprised to learn that Israel is not only telling civilians to go to certain buildings them bombing them, but the UN tells Israel to not bomb certain buildings (in this conflict, there was one building they told israel not to bomb SEVENTEEN TIMES) and they bomb them anyway. There's no reasoning with YOU.

Actually I challenged a baseless claim you made (that Israelis are intentionally bombing buildings after telling civilians to go there). The burden of proof is on you my friend, I'm certainly not going to take you at your word over something like that.

If you want to reason with me, then reason. That usually means logical arguments backed up by trustworthy sources and objective information, things you and for the most part your entire side of the argument seem to be severely lacking.
 

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Reddit is a somewhat better forum. You'll still see people who vigorously defend Israel in these operations, but I haven't seen a SINGLE person advocating genocide/eugenics over there, and Reddit's userbase is INFINITELY larger than ATPN's. This forum has turned into a complete disgrace.

Edit: Things are changing in Israel though. While some media outlets like Haaretz are able to criticize Israel, Israel is becoming a HELLUVA lot more racist/aggressive. Rightwing mobs are attacking peace protestors and singing about how they're happy that palestinian children are dying.

Yes I was just reading a piece yesterday about how Gideon Levy is being relentless harassed and how the environment over all has turned so much more nasty.
 

Phokus

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Actually I challenged a baseless claim you made (that Israelis are intentionally bombing buildings after telling civilians to go there). The burden of proof is on you my friend, I'm certainly not going to take you at your word over something like that.

If you want to reason with me, then reason. That usually means logical arguments backed up by trustworthy sources and objective information, things you and for the most part your entire side of the argument seem to be severely lacking.

I haven't heard about the first incident, and the 2nd incident is isolated.

You're not a very good liar. You said you didn't hear about that incident, you didn't 'challenge it'.

Notice that when i responded to you with the article:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36588296&postcount=170

You never replied back to me on that particular point and challenged me on that. You know why? Because you were caught looking ignorant. Instead you went on a rant about 'jewish media conspiracies' based on another post i made about AIPAC. BTW - that line of reasoning is wearing thin and people are less inclined to believe the cries of anti-semitism whenever people bringing up AIPAC. You're a fucking awful liar.
 

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Come to something awful, the D&D forum is doing some really good work on this. Plus the entry fee tends to weed out the real shitheads fast.

which forum is that? I tried searching online but did not come up with something specific.
 

Phokus

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Come to something awful, the D&D forum is doing some really good work on this. Plus the entry fee tends to weed out the real shitheads fast.

Ah, a fellow goon ... Stairs? Just kidding. Yeah, i highly recommend the D&D forums as well.

which forum is that? I tried searching online but did not come up with something specific.

forums.somethingawful.com

$10 entry fee. Read the rules, hang around a bit, it's REAL easy to get banned there, but it's a great forum.
 

rudder

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Jesus titty fucking Christ, how fucked up is this forums conservatives and neo-cons that they think mass extermination of an ethnic group is an ok thought to have.

Didn't Spidey07 get banned for something MUCH more tame than this? This forum is turning into a fucking stormfront rightwing circle jerk. I swear, It's bad enough that you'll send our money over there, but you guys would sell American's soul to Israel to see more Palestinian blood. And you probably consider yourself American 'Patriots'.

The irony is, these fucking morons are calling OTHER people savages. Mods, grow some fucking balls and start banning these idiots.

Do you get this worked up when Obama gives the go ahead to blow up a wedding party in Yemen and kills little children?

And mass extermination? I think Israel could level Gaza many times over. And don't you think if Hamas had the capability that they would level Tel-Aviv?

Shit man, there was a reason Egypt constructed a barrier between themselves and Gaza. And I will add the current Israel blockade of Gaza did not start until Hamas took power in Gaza and fired hundreds of rockets and mortars at Israel.
 

irishScott

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You're not a very good liar. You said you didn't hear about that incident, you didn't 'challenge it'.

Notice that when i responded to you with the article:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36588296&postcount=170

You never replied back to me on that particular point and challenged me on that. You know why? Because you were caught looking ignorant. Instead you went on a rant about 'jewish media conspiracies' based on another post i made about AIPAC. BTW - that line of reasoning is wearing thin and people are less inclined to believe the cries of anti-semitism whenever people bringing up AIPAC. You're a fucking awful liar.

The challenge was obviously implicit. And you've clearly never made a logical argument in your life.

You want to know why I didn't respond? Because that link you provided doesn't even remotely prove your argument that the Israelis were intentionally bombing buildings after telling civilians to go there, and I didn't feel like re-engaging simply to tell you how pathetic your argument was. But since you're calling me a liar, here we go:

You have to prove intent, as is stated in your claim. Not that the buildings were hit, which is undeniable, but that they were intentionally hit. You have to disprove Israeli stories to the contrary as well, or at least have some circumstantial evidence to make them look unlikely. You also have respond to alternate theories, such as "if they intended to hit a building filled with hundreds, and have the capacity to level the building, why did only 10 people die?" Also, as per the plural "buildings" in your claim, you have to prove that this is a regular practice.

Once you've actually done some research and done all that, at least enough to give it a reasonable probability of being right, let me know. Until then your argument is just a grab-bag of emotionally fueled assumptions. Given the evidence we have, the IDF's explanation that they were aiming for insurgents outside the structure appears the most likely, at the very least it doesn't require the several layers of assumptions that yours does.
 
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Phokus

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The challenge was obviously implicit. And you've clearly never made a logical argument in your life.

You want to know why I didn't respond? Because that link you provided doesn't even remotely prove your argument that the Israelis were intentionally bombing buildings after telling civilians to go there, and I didn't feel like re-engaging simply to tell you how pathetic your argument was. But since you're calling me a liar, here we go:

You have to prove intent, as is stated in your claim. Not that the buildings were hit, which is undeniable, but that they were intentionally hit. You have to disprove Israeli stories to the contrary as well, or at least have some circumstantial evidence to make them look unlikely. You also have respond to alternate theories, such as "if they intended to hit a building filled with hundreds, and have the capacity to level the building, why did only 10 people die?" Also, as per the plural "buildings" in your claim, you have to prove that this is a regular practice.

Once you've actually done some research and done all that, at least enough to give it a reasonable probability of being right, let me know. Until then your argument is just a grab-bag of emotionally fueled assumptions. Given the evidence we have, the IDF's explanation that they were aiming for insurgents outside the structure appears the most likely, at the very least it doesn't require the several layers of assumptions that yours does.

LOL IMPLICIT LOL. You didn't respond because you looked really fucking stupid for not knowing something that was on all the news. If telling someone 17 times not to bomb a building because it contains refugees doesn't show intent, then you're an idiot. It's Israel's M.O. to bomb areas that the UN tells them not to bomb - they give actual GPS coordinates to Israel, but Israel does it anyway. You have to be a COMPLETE imbecile to think this isn't intentional.


You think these are isolatd incidents, but they're not. The only reason you don't hear of them because you hear what you want to hear and close your eyes and ears to any contrary information.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/gaza-update-un-schools-bombed/

He underscored that all UN schools in Gaza are clearly marked, flying the UN flag, and that the Organization has provided the GPS coordinates of all of its installations in the area to Israel.

Three members of the same Palestinian family were killed last night whilst taking shelter in an UNRWA school designated as a temporary refuge from the violence. Well before the current fighting, the UN had given to the Israeli authorities the GPS co-ordinates of all its installations in Gaza, including the UNRWA school which was struck.

But congrats, you and your genocide cheering buddies are getting the blood you want.
 

Phokus

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Do you get this worked up when Obama gives the go ahead to blow up a wedding party in Yemen and kills little children?

And mass extermination? I think Israel could level Gaza many times over. And don't you think if Hamas had the capability that they would level Tel-Aviv?

Shit man, there was a reason Egypt constructed a barrier between themselves and Gaza. And I will add the current Israel blockade of Gaza did not start until Hamas took power in Gaza and fired hundreds of rockets and mortars at Israel.

Obama has a shit foreign policy (although better than McCain's, 'bomb bomb bomb Iran' madness), that's an awful presumption you have with me over Obama. And Israel is prevented from going over a certain line with the US. If Israel started a Palestinian holocaust, not even the US, Israel's crack dealer, could condone that. Better for Israel to kill, starve, and steal Palestinian land slowly rather than get international intervention. Get some logic please.
 

Phokus

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Israel has no reason to do a full blown Holocaust. They are getting what they want. They are not stupid

Yeah that's my point. It's a really stupid fucking argument by these guys - 'hurf durf, why doesn't israel just level gaza completely then'? - because Israel and Gaza doesn't exist in a vacuum and the US still exists in this picture.
 

JEDIYoda

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A lot of Americans, sadly, do not know even the basic facts about this conflict. Thanks to the media in large part, and we all know why that is.

All that the people see is the Palestinians are Muslims, so they must be terrorists.

It is just sad. Very sad.
Do you?? I dare say you know very little other than what you have read....
 

JEDIYoda

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Gee, I'm totally shocked at your response. Everyone screams "Hamas will only accept the annihilation of Israel!" When it turns out that's not true you just switch to "yeah but they totally don't mean it".

There's no arguing with that kind of logic. If you're determined to believe something no matter what, you're immune to evidence.

By the way I'm interested: can you name a single thing you would criticize about Israel's conduct in Gaza?
Don`t need to...you obviously have not read other peoples posts or mine.....both sides are have issues that need to be dealt with......

Yet the truth id that anything HAMAS agrees to is just a way to bide time and rebuild in order to attack Israel...that is Hamas SOP and your a blind and dumb if you are not aware of that truth!!
 

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http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.com/2014/07/what-is-unrwa.html

What is UNRWA?



What UNRWA is supposed to be, is a special UN organization created to provide aid and relief to Palestinian refugees living, primarily, in Gaza. What it has turned into, however, is a far different story.

UNRWA today is a blatantly pro-Palestinian UN group whose main reason for existence is to perpetuate the Palestinian refugee status, supposedly maintaining schools in Gaza. Again, the reality is far different. The textbooks they use are filled with hate of Israel; no attempt is being made to instill any values other than those of Islam and Hamas.

In the last war, we knew that the schools were being used as launching grounds and arsenals. In the last war, a team of UN members was killed because they chose to live or work in an apartment above which Hamas was firing rockets. Trust me, I have heard these rockets being launched and landing - you cannot mistake the sound of this for something else.

The first time I ever heard it, I was about 2 miles from the Lebanese border in a lovely little apartment in a beautiful hillside village vacationing with my children. The two explosions I heard were chilling and I knew the very instant I heard it that a rocket had been fired. Actually, to be honest, I thought I heard two rockets being fired. I was later told that I was close enough to hear the exit sound - the explosion at lift off, which was at least two miles away, and the explosion upon impact, which was about 8 miles away.

No way was this UN group unaware that their roof was being used as a launching site. Israeli artillery was ordered to fire on the rocket launching site...and they did. The UN never alerted Israel to the location of its team and they died - because like too many in Gaza, they decided that it was safe to remain next to a Hamas military squad in action.

This time, UNRWA was smart enough to come forward and admit that they had "found" missiles in their classrooms. They claim the school was empty and they claim they didn't know the missiles were there. And then, it seems the missiles had "gone missing" - a polite way of saying they were most likely given back to Hamas.

That was the story at two schools...at another school, days before a great tragedy happened, UNRWA was warned by Israel to evacuate a particular school. It was in a bad place - right between an advancing Israeli force and a known Hamas hotbed. Rockets were being launched at hundreds of thousands of Israeli civilians...perhaps the very rockets that had been hidden in UNRWA's schools...UNRWA decided to ignore the warning, leaving itself as the front protection of Hamas.

What is known is that the Israeli army was firing at Hamas and Hamas was firing at the Israelis and a mortar or a shell fell in the school and killed at least 15. What is not yet know is why UNRWA refused to heed Israel's warning, why they allowed Hamas to store missiles in their classrooms, and what is also not yet know is whose ammunition fell on the school.

It almost doesn't matter - the tragedy still happened and children died. And yet as UNRWA demands, there should indeed be an investigation - of UNRWA itself.

It is time that this absurd organization be shut down. If Gaza has enough cement to build dozens of tunnels leading many kilometers in all directions, it has enough money to build a few schools and hospitals and staff them. UNRWA is not a neutral force attempting to do good things; it is an arm of Hamas, raising its children to hate, hiding its weapons, and allowing itself to provide human shields as Hamas attempts to attack Israel's citizens.

It is time to dismantle this organization now.
 

irishScott

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LOL IMPLICIT LOL. You didn't respond because you looked really fucking stupid for not knowing something that was on all the news. If telling someone 17 times not to bomb a building because it contains refugees doesn't show intent, then you're an idiot. It's Israel's M.O. to bomb areas that the UN tells them not to bomb - they give actual GPS coordinates to Israel, but Israel does it anyway. You have to be a COMPLETE imbecile to think this isn't intentional.


You think these are isolatd incidents, but they're not. The only reason you don't hear of them because you hear what you want to hear and close your eyes and ears to any contrary information.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/gaza-update-un-schools-bombed/





But congrats, you and your genocide cheering buddies are getting the blood you want.

Lol wow, you've got me all figured out don't you? :D Because obviously the first thing I'd do in trying to cover up lack of knowledge is admit my lack knowledge. You're a riot! :D

I was giving you an opportunity to present the details of an issue I was unaware of. You failed to provide said details, merely more vitriol and assumptions. So I didn't respond. That's the truth, but you don't like that, so play out whatever fantasies you have about me to your heart's content.

And do you even know what a logical argument is? Do you know how to consider multiple sides of an issue? Do you have the ability to form alternate theories and question yourself? Because if you did you'd realize that if it was accidental as the Israelis claim, then the UN could have told them the location 1700 times and it wouldn't have made any difference. Collateral damage happens in war. Missiles and shells miss their targets more times than you'd probably believe, even in the most modern militaries.

Also learn what a reliable source is. You're lucky I cared enough to click the sub-links in that article and found the original UN article, which you should have provided in place of excerpts on a no-name blog post (not an authoritative source). But then again the original, un-creatively-edited article doesn't support your argument as well as those out of context quotes.

Also, that post and this article are from 2009, but it still proves my point.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=29472&Cr=Palestin&Cr1=
More than two dozen schools run by the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) are serving as temporary shelters to more than 15,000 Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed or who are fleeing the violence.

Some 30 people were killed and 55 others injured, five of them critically, when three artillery shells landed at the perimeter of a school, which usually serves as a girls’ preparatory school, in the Jabaliya refugee camp, according to John Ging, UNRWA’s Director of Operations.

Also in Jabaliya, a boys’ school was attacked but it was empty, he said.

Last night, three Palestinians, who had sought refuge in a small co-educational UN school in Gaza City, died when a missile hit the building’s toilet facilities.

In a separate incident, seven UN staff were injured, three seriously, along with three patients, when a strike on a nearby building caused significant collateral damage to a UNRWA health centre.

This part is called "analysis" and it shows that if the Israelis are intentionally targeting UN buildings, they really suck at it. 15,000 Palestinians in 2 dozen shelters, and less than 100 dead and wounded and 3 shelters hit out of 2 dozen, one of which was empty. In addition specifics of the warhead impacts show they were almost certainly collateral damage, as no building was directly hit.

So your argument falls flat on its face with your own sources. Perhaps you should read and analyze them before assuming they support your argument.

In any case, my sister wrote her Masters Thesis on Muslim issues in the Middle East, she hates what's happening in Gaza and I've seen her literally brought to tears over this issue. She knows people from the region and hates what the Israelis are doing. She knows more and cares more about this issue than either of us, and even she stops short of accusing the Israelis of the kind of bullshit you're spewing here.

But we both know this won't change anything, because you're so weak I don't think you're capable of admitting that you're wrong, even in a zero-consequence environment like an internet forum. Given how poorly you control your emotions in your posts I think it's pretty safe to say such an admission would be too much for you. And don't try to throw this back on me, because I can pull up posts on this very forum where I've baldfaced admitted that I was wrong and changed my opinion. I sincerely doubt you can do the same.
 
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Phokus

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Lol wow, you've got me all figured out don't you? :D Because obviously the first thing I'd do in trying to cover up lack of knowledge is admit my lack knowledge. You're a riot! :D

I was giving you an opportunity to present the details of an issue I was unaware of. You failed to provide said details, merely more vitriol and assumptions. So I didn't respond. That's the truth, but you don't like that, so play out whatever fantasies you have about me to your heart's content.

And do you even know what a logical argument is? Do you know how to consider multiple sides of an issue? Do you have the ability to form alternate theories and question yourself? Because if you did you'd realize that if it was accidental as the Israelis claim, then the UN could have told them the location 1700 times and it wouldn't have made any difference. Collateral damage happens in war. Missiles and shells miss their targets more times than you'd probably believe, even in the most modern militaries.

Also learn what a reliable source is. You're lucky I cared enough to click the sub-links in that article and found the original UN article, which you should have provided in place of excerpts on a no-name blog post (not an authoritative source). But then again the original, un-creatively-edited article doesn't support your argument as well as those out of context quotes.

Also, that post and this article are from 2009, but it still proves my point.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=29472&Cr=Palestin&Cr1=










This part is called "analysis" and it shows that if the Israelis are intentionally targeting UN buildings, they really suck at it. 15,000 Palestinians in 2 dozen shelters, and less than 100 dead and wounded and 3 shelters hit out of 2 dozen, one of which was empty. In addition specifics of the warhead impacts show they were almost certainly collateral damage, as no building was directly hit.

So your argument falls flat on its face with your own sources. Perhaps you should read and analyze them before assuming they support your argument.

In any case, my sister wrote her Masters Thesis on Muslim issues in the Middle East, she hates what's happening in Gaza and I've seen her literally brought to tears over this issue. She knows people from the region and hates what the Israelis are doing. She knows more and cares more about this issue than either of us, and even she stops short of accusing the Israelis of the kind of bullshit you're spewing here.

But we both know this won't change anything, because you're so weak I don't think you're capable of admitting that you're wrong, even in a zero-consequence environment like an internet forum. Given how poorly you control your emotions in your posts I think it's pretty safe to say such an admission would be too much for you. And don't try to throw this back on me, because I can pull up posts on this very forum where I've baldfaced admitted that I was wrong and changed my opinion. I sincerely doubt you can do the same.

1. Your sister is batshit stupid and should do more to study the issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.[1] The doctrine is named after a southern suburb in Beirut with large apartment buildings which were flattened by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 2006 Lebanon War.[2] Israel has been accused of implementing the strategy during the Gaza War.


2006 Lebanon War[
The first public announcement of the doctrine was made by General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF's northern front, in October 2008. He said that what happened in the Dahiya (also transliterated as Dahiyeh and Dahieh) quarter of Beirut in 2006 would, "happen in every village from which shots were fired in the direction of Israel. We will wield disproportionate power against [them] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases. [...] This isn't a suggestion. It's a plan that has already been authorized. [...] Harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah."[3][4]

Noting that Dahiya was the Shiite quarter in Beirut that was razed by the Israeli Air Force during the Second Lebanon War, Israeli journalist Yaron London wrote in 2008 that the doctrine, "will become entrenched in our security discourse."[2]

The above ALONE should tell you to shut up, seriously.

With respect to the 2009 attacks on UN schools, you DO realize that Israel used white phosphorous on those UN schools, RIGHT? RIGHT?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images...9/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46061000/jpg/_46061574_007651442-1.jpg

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza

They stopped using it because the international condemnation was so great:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22310544

Given the fact that your fucking fellow Americans here are cheering on genocide here, are you really that fucking surprised that Israel would use chemical weapons and purposely kill civillians?

I think i know the problem, you buy in to the "Israel = civilization", "Palestine = savages" rhetoric, but you don't realize that Israel is probably different than you realize: You have mobs of rightwing shitheads beating up arabs and people protesting against Israel with impunity and singing of the massacred children:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-i...n-are-dead-sing-joyful-israeli-youths/5393961

This was another video that made the news, but let me guess, you hadn't heard of that again.
 
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Phokus

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Also, irishscott, please ask your sister how she explains the fact that Israel is intentionally starving Palestinians.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/apr/16/israel



Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.
 

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1. Your sister is batshit stupid and should do more to study the issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine



The above ALONE should tell you to shut up, seriously.

With respect to the 2009 attacks on UN schools, you DO realize that Israel used white phosphorous on those UN schools, RIGHT? RIGHT?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza

They stopped using it because the international condemnation was so great:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22310544

Given the fact that your fucking fellow Americans here are cheering on genocide here, are you really that fucking surprised that Israel would use chemical weapons and purposely kill civillians?

I think i know the problem, you buy in to the "Israel = civilization", "Palestine = savages" rhetoric, but you don't realize that Israel is probably different than you realize: You have mobs of rightwing shitheads beating up arabs and people protesting against Israel with impunity and singing of the massacred children:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-i...n-are-dead-sing-joyful-israeli-youths/5393961

My sister is smarter than both of us and has studied this issue more than both of us, but whatever.

Now once again, you've established that Dahiya doctrine exists. Great. Now establish that it was used and is being used, because from that wikipedia page:

"the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations." The Fact Finding Mission which submitted the Report concluded that the doctrine had been put into practice during the conflict.[1] However, on an 1 April 2011 op-ed, one of the lead authors of the UN Fact Finding Mission, judge Richard Goldstone stated that some of his conclusions may have been different had the Israeli government cooperated with his team during the investigation. The Op-Ed has been interpreted by some as a retraction of the report and its conclusions.[6]

So it appears to be controversial as to whether the doctrine was actually used. Never mind the ambiguous definition of "the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations." Given the circumstances on the ground and their military capabilities, the Israelis are being remarkably reserved in use of force in the present conflict. They could have slaughtered 10s of thousands of Gazans by now if they'd wanted to.


As for the white phosphorous issue, sure that was an obvious war crime and should be dealt with as such. Once again though, it was also an isolated incident and occurred 5 years under a different administration. There is nothing in the current conflict that even remotely compares. Also FYI white phosphorous rounds are not technically classified as a "chemical weapon".

So far you've shown some collateral damage from poorly aimed air/artillery strikes and one illegal use of white phosphorus rounds, and a military doctrine that, if it was used, was short-lived. Also that a segment of the Israeli population is radical and likes dead Palestinians. It's certainly better than what you've posted before now, but it still doesn't prove that the Israeli government and military are, in the present conflict, intentionally targeting buildings after telling citizens to evacuate there, or that they're actively pursuing genocide.
 
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